Shows that even in these situations it is unlikely to be resulted into the real impeachment because the senate nor the calls are representatives of the sides and there is the republican majority in the sound of and what is most important donald trump is supported by a bald 90 percent of the republican electorate so i think no one from serious republican politicians would dare in these circumstances to vote against the president however of course the by the way thing the launch of the impeachment procedure is already the recognition of high chances for donald trump to be reelected democrats understand that it is very difficult for them to be trumped you you wrote recently had that allegations against a much weaker than even those put forth against bill clinton back in 1900 why do you. The democrats are taking their risk because it involves one of their own every time dimension in pitch when they imply joseph biden in their rather you know im flattering situation well for 2 reasons i think reason number one that the sign of the spear because indeed it is difficult for the democrats to beat trump in the Current Conditions and they are looking for basically it every plainsman of the miller investigation moore of this to gauge and failed to prove them they looking for the other ways to steal accused trump of some crimes not just delusional with ukraine and the forceful. Intervention of ukraine into american domestic elections but also something Something Else they need these sorts of investigations you know to pressure secondly this is an attempt by the democrats to charm the discourse of bold biden sort of all in. Domestic politics and biden score option this is to ration is very risky for the democrats i mean this forcible investigation of biden sort all warped world the russian mels forewards world the reasons for bidens demands to get out of the former ukrainian general prosecutor so they want to change you know their retreat from the investigation of by them to the investigation of the op i also heard one russian expert voice a very counter intuitive hypothesis that i want to run by you he suggested that by launching the impeachment proceedings the democrats in the congress are trying to undermine not so much trying but those of by himself and the establishment wing of the Democratic Party which as we all remember played saw what dirty against the socialist the wing party in the run up to the 2016 president ial elections by openly disfavoring burn. Sanders defined it claws a bow well i think so there is no unanimity within the democratic camp by the way this overall investigation and the scandal related to the u. S. Role in the ukrainian domestic politics might serve a little result into. Bidens defeat in the primaries them one of the most possible winners of the Democratic Campaign will be Bertha Saunders or perhaps it is a bit more and more book absolute a bit Elizabeth Warren which will be Greater Development i would say for the Democratic Party because indeed the the Traditional Democratic establishment ease the problem of the Democratic Party these still allows donald trump time and again to claim that the additional elite. To the it represented by Hillary Clinton and george of by them they want to reveal which they want to peoples. Votes and basically the get more peoples discomfort them and tired most of the new liberal. So i think it will be healthy to live for the democratic part of the if someone else once the. Primaries on that will be then the very interesting fine election in november of next year you also suggested that 2020 elections may be the dirtiest and the fiercest elections in american recent history and love like their opponents how flayed fairly and till now i mean we have seen a number of methods being used against donald trump. Sabotage open ended investigation now the impeachment proceedings any other tricks that hes opponents have been to use so far apart from physical harm and plain assassination impeachment is already i would say the use of weapons of mass destruction in american domestic politics because thats the final instrument that you can. Used against the acting president and i think that indeed the elections will be most. In the recent American History because the stakes are incredibly high for both sides for donald trump this stake is not just implementation of his domestic politics but actually avoiding prison and avoiding the direct groom in the trial because most probably the democrats would want to put him on the trial if hes more longer the president of the united also that charges all of the charges or for instance preventing you know justice during the meal or in this the geisha remember robert moore when he gave his the results of his investigation he said the only reason why the charge of all of. Investigation was not put against normal trump is because he was the acting president of the overseas airport doesnt contain amy so have the advocates of trying to track them in it whatever and they can come out of it without it they can do that here as you know the democrats want revenge the democrats wants to depict as a temporary aberration they want you know to come in just as. Above him and it is easier to do it away a private citizen than the president of the United States oh for the stake is his personal freedom after all now democrats for the democrats the stake is voiding even deeper a crisis of the party in basic aliya the survival of the traditional elite its the problem of survival for both sides because if prompt once for the 2nd time it will be no longer possible for the traditional links to claim that prompts that the emperor of the ration who became president is the result of the intervention of an alien foreign. Foreign country they will have to accept the nature all sense of this compound in the americans. Signed it all the problems that have been ignored for many years and actually which brought donald trump into the white house now you mention there were the words survival several times and historically there have been more than 30 attempts to kill an incumbent of former president 4 of them resulted in in the killing of the acting head of state all of them were politically motivated without then sharing too much into the reality of conspiracy theories do you think that method of doing politics is fully relegated to history or lets say Foreign Policy because i mean it we know that american intelligence agencies have conducted a couple of assess a nation at times including in a relatively recent history but not the massacre well my assumption is that these scenarios quite plausible. And i cant say i dont claim that there is a very big risk of donald trump to be assessed and they need that but we shouldnt exclude that because American SecurityServices American counterintelligence and intelligence are also waging war against donald trump this whistleblower who made this pleat against the acting president you know the. The resistance of the deep state within the trumpet ministration that you all proofs the pain of this struggle is not just between trump and democrats its also between trump and the traditional establishment which is represented also and primarily by the Security Services by the bureaucrats they are using different methods to undermine the president from the altar rights of a dog to these please when this to gauge from which basically numerous media leaks there is apparently a positive vibe about every you know coming out of some religious sorts of media leaks eve all these methods become in the fact of. Even they even solved that all the scandal jewels of by them all the normal trump which i think will be the case i wont excludes that the eventually some more extreme version so full of the strong no instruments of political struggle will be utilized while before we are accused of being conspiracy theorists lets take a very short break well be back in just a few moments stay chant. Round up with a little of his out of. The set up one among them. A fine after the main t. V. They tell you not the hi im i said. That this month when the show on. The totally unknown to me a lot of the. Fancy it is someone who did the board. You know world of big movies a lot and conspiracy its time to wake up to dig deeper to hit the stories that made stream media refuses to tell more than ever we need to be smarter we need to stop slamming the door on the back and shouting past each other its time for critical. Its time to fight for the middle for the troops the time is now for watching closely watching the hawks. Paradise with all year round turned into a round the experimentation field but agricultural chemicals we know that these chemicals have consequences they are major here tens theres no question otherwise why would that the Chemical Company workers themselves be geared up that suited up locals attempt to combat the on regulated experiments that often in day you have many of these people one foot into the biotech pharma and the other foot in the government regulatory bodies this kind of collusion is reprehensible while the battle goes on the chemicals continue to poison hawaii and its people so one has to ask the question whether there is a form of Environmental Research going on in hawaii whether these Companies Feel they can get away with this because the people have less political power. Welcome back to worlds apart with those live Deputy Director of the center for comprehensive european and International Studies at the Higher School of economics in moscow before the break we started talking about impeachment which proceedings which already prompted the 1st high profile resignation im talking about volcker you know used to direct them american policy in the ukraine and there are some signs that he was also directing the ukrainian politics in america how big of a deal is that well for stan to identify and manifest the depth of the scandal hes already accused. Putting pressure against the ukrainian authorities and also he wants to emphasize that the he has nothing to do with this pressure actually he personally and politically believed in the necessity of supporting ukraine against russia or. Does he does not want to be associated with prompts or retire it. Or force putting pressure on ukraine secondly apparently claiming that russia is more important than ukraine theres in the sort of egypt interest of the United States to get along with russia whereas you green is an obstacle so this goes against the political views of walker m. P. Resigned but i wonder if its just the matter of him disagreeing with the president because the same unidentified whistleblower complained about your. Interactions with the ukrainian president. Has suggested that mr walker was often acting not on the instructions of donald trump or secretary of state mike brown pair his direct boss but at the request of the ukrainians for example the close aide to president selenski and that he you know mock given how easily accusations of treason fly in washington does he have her reason to be concerned about the ethics of his own behavior rather than his association with donald trump the legal view point of course is yes and what you just described is again proves my thesis that there is a very strong resistance among american bureaucracy against the policies of the president and they apparently sabotage and could walk or was largely involved in this sub adarsh by pursuing not only not Donald Trumps presidency visit the ukraine. Which volcker can see the right and which reflected the interests of certain ukrainian politicians you know ukraine in its current state. From the political perspective for you think volcker will be protected by the by the democrats by their Establishment Republicans which still exist because for them ukraine is the friend everyone who supports ukraine is also a friend. Of the right. I think volcker will not be a q sed right walker will be used as an instrument against donald trump its interesting you say that because i mean they conflict compare this situation to something that happened to for example general flynn who was a member who was decimated politically for simply appearing at arties dinner and sitting at one table with live near put of a doubt even exchanging any any war its imagine him running involved in trying to arrange meetings with u. S. President s associates all be have of president bush and i mean he would have been in prison. The end of his days were over the whole russia gate was artificial from the very beginning. That was a huge hypocrisy from the very beginning because lots there is lots of foreign intervention into american domestic politics you know take easily and its legalized i mean there is and this is legalize a lot of a little girl law being absolutely again they could easily look at these rail loophole in the american domestic and Foreign Policy right know well 1st russia is considered as adversarial paulo secondly the fight is not even 1st and foremost about russia its against donald trump because the presidency of donald trump undermines the supremest see the removal of the additional establishment in the elite in american politics now while walker is departure at least the trumpet ministration pretty much without any senior official with the expertise in these part of the world i mean. Fiona hale then called. John bolton they are all god the United States still has no on baster in ukraine and the American Ambassador to russia is said to resign within the next couple of days and october 3rd. How do you take it does russia have reason to be concerned about these brain drain when it comes to u. S. Policy in ukraine. On the one hand the departure of volcker could have played a positive role because indeed from the russian perspective the role of all code was apparently negative right walker prevent the implementation of the means good and persuaded ukraine to continue to subsidize the implementation on the other camp in the Current Situation of scandal i truly dont believe that the departure of walter will matter for the american pull we see towards ukraine because there is no policy in conditions of the current scandal impeachment investigation the american policy towards ukraine will be paralyzed it will be ultimately dependent on the believe the goal domestic political interplay all the hue towards the impeachment in these conditions there is nothing that washington can or would want to do viz of ukraine i think the white house will try its best you know to distance itself from the ukraine the im go in general. The the absence of the interlocutor will change the situation to read the rest are going to celebrate it you know all this that you know for this into the locus there is to be implemented but as it comes to russia well you are absolutely right the well 1st the role of domestic politics in american Foreign Policy is a problem for Us Russian Relations and for International Security absence of experts. Negotiators experience negotiators on country. On some other issues is a problem of course for for Us Russian Relations in this situation we well we have to strengthen the mechanisms of communication where still experts exist so what they are what i am talking about we need to strengthen mil to mil negotiations do you think there is no actually very team is left they are absolutely in the pentagon yes i mean we havent seen multiple departures from the pentagon general gerar some often general dunford they need on a regular basis primarily discussing syria we need to multiply and broaden the spectrum of the discussion from just syria to our the flanks of us of us Russian Revolution speaking off which over the last couple of months trunk has made several russia friendly statements he offered to bring moscow back into the g 7 than during his meeting with the landscape he suggested that the russian ukraine with quote solve that problem together which i think. That meaning ukraine. All of us who seems a little bit less constrained on are on the russia track how far could it go well unfortunately the spog of ukraine gate limits and the potential for trumps positive steps. Toward small scale you know from the very beginning donald trump did not consider russia as a natural enemy of the United States as a Strategic Vision which is that china is the bureau rival in the major competitor and for basically of the United States not russia donald trump understands that it is quite difficult for the United States to successfully conduct this policy of dual containment of these 2 great pause so he would want. Basically to improve relations with russia as the secondary great power in comparison to china in his opinion in order to a little bit diminish and reduce the intensity of russian cheneys relations and thus simplify the brymer objective of the u. S. Strategy campaign meant off of china and of course he regards the ukraine call flick as an obstacle. Trump was absolutely sincere when he said that russia and ukraine should resolve that issue and ukraine should take more initiative in resulting in resolving that you should because that will allow some reparation with. The us why did the woman from do with them because of the end of the ruler investigation right hes died were completely his cancer completely died when the moon list again was going on so he can see the end of that investigation allows some greater freedom of maneuver for finally to implement the policies that he wanted to implement from the very beginning however we have the new scandal right we have the impeachment investigation income in the i