The country talking to young people its the sense of who makes the rules you know weve been subscribing to this kind of analyst authority and it was shattered when when this a possible thing was rendered reality suddenly we start asking you know why had we have taken our political media gatekeepers instructions on how to live our lives and how this hierarchy ought to function i think the downside of social media is that we need to further and besides being demonstrative and not just performative with taking action and have a push for for it to extend beyond the page online and she to take the form of raising your voice. Beyond tweeting thats a thats a really interesting point about you know being demonstrative which means taking action versus being performative do you think social media gives a lot of people including young people a way out that they can just blast their opinion on twitter or facebook or wherever instagram but then not actually become engaged no i think that there is a shot broader shift in political behaviors so actually at the level of our voting statistics theres already been a shift the minute 2800 terms showed historic voter turnout among young people and that was just the midterm so in terms of the way our sizable voting bloc will exercise its will power should only increase and what were seeing is a shift in behavior beyond the bare minimal bare minimum transactional element of voting where people are understanding means of raising their voice that might also mean contacting elected officials donating protesting its a matter of doing the things that seemed out of reach so an interview i love to bring up is i talked to a ph d. Student who said i understood that people could be going to town halls but not that i should be doing that and its as if there is this understanding of all these actions of democracy all of these actions of making your voice heard and and making your political opinion manifest in the political conversation beyond social media and that our relationship to that and those behaviors has a lot more action behind it and i think that trend is only going to kenya to new to grow and will be emphasized i hope by the organizing powers of social media and and further encouraged as we see that behavior incentivize because i am hoping to build to a culture where being a good citizen and being a good person are considered the exact same thing let me ask you this Lauren Donald trump won 37 percent of the youth vote and your big teen vogue op ed was about donald trump gaslighting america. How do you explain his appeal to this fairly large chunk of young voters well you know i am not sure that i understand Donald Trumps appeal to anyone to be quite frank with you. I guess though i would emphasize that the purpose of my book and the way that ive sought to outline a paradigm of citizenship is not geared towards my belief system so i but i am a queer radical feminist but i believe that its in the Public Interest to build towards public power and equality and so as a journalist thats what im fighting for public power and equality and i think that that looks like as many voices as possible in the political conversation and i want young people who disagree with me i want all people regardless of their beliefs i have very specific beliefs then and i need to be a we all need to be able to have Difficult Conversations with people who we disagree and i think were getting so siloed into our bubbles and so its so easy to cut ourselves off from people who are not connected with but democracy is about building consensus from debate and so im hoping that we actually all learn to you better have those conversations and especially on social media so we can i mean ask about that because you know what i dont happening a lot that i think is you know negative trend is the cancel culture where does if i disagree with you i dont want you to exist i dont want you to have a voice in the Public Square how do we move past that that it is possible to disagree agreeably and be able to have a conversation and find compromise and not be looking at you know mutually assured destruction so i think 2 things one is i feel like from a base level we all need to be conducting ourselves more like journalists sharing things that we verify are true that weve considered and been critical thinkers about of before just disseminating information in real life and online and then. I mean that we all play a role in shaping the culture that were participating in and instead of piling on to Group Consensus of any kind whether its Council Culture tribalism or Something Else we all need to i think follow our guts a little more ask ourselves what we really believe after empowering ourselves with information and express the views that are authentic to us instead of participating in this perverse incentive structure where negativity toxicity and pettiness are and leslie rewarded and my suggestion is any time you have the urge to send someone negative online why not instead send something positive to people who are doing the kind of work that you do support and want to encourage theres just really we are tearing each other down and i think kneecapping not only the political conversation but the total scope of Human Potential and there is so much harmful harm being done and we could all be part of the change in creating more positive healthy compassionate honest dialogue online and off. So after asking you to be so high minded im going to ask you to be a little bit partisan ok when i have a democratic when youre looking at the democratic field particularly nancy pelosi speaker of the house and how she is trying to grapple with. The squad do you think the current democratic leadership really speaks to young people you know i think that there is a mis understanding from the democratic establishment about how to reach out to young people and from all of our elected officials quite frankly what Alexandra Ocasio cortez is doing that is most stunning to me is the way shes trying to reach people with information shes doing policy proposal breakdowns right next to showing beauty tips on her Instagram Stories and whats so special about that is thats just thats how we consume information thats how we talk to each other and theres such a conspicuous lack of that among all of our elected officials and when we talk about young people not caring but if you really look at the way the average campaign is run the average income and recreates the situation that allowed them to be elected in the 1st place they dont try to expand the electorate at all to reach out to their full scope of constituents and especially not young people and thats their democratic duty and i think that the thing that we could even talk about in a nonpartisan way about the squad and i do actually happen to align with a lot of these part politics but beyond that is different methods of reaching people and conversational ways using pop culture using the things that were excited about that were passionate about and fusing them together so that we can have the kinds of conversations that wed have with our friends about politics let me ask about that i mean do you think that deserves to give donald trump a little bit of credit because after all donald trump very famously and hes even said so use twitter to you know directly reach the American Voter to communicate very directly to the voter without you know a lot of the mediating media i mean media being mediating. And of course has use that tactic that technique Instagram Twitter to Great Success well i guess what i would say is maybe they are both reaching people directly but i think what i. O. C. Is doing is making intricate policy proposals that are typically quite dry or insider e very digestible and accessible and seeking to empower people with information and appeal to voters to give her power and certainly no one could. So learn who do you like on the democratic side in the 2020 field right now i am very transparent about being extremely excited by Elizabeth Warren and i would also say oh i think this is an exciting period for there to be a conversation of ideas and we get so caught up in the rat race and the polling and just the binary of wins and losses and this is a moment to talk about what is the greatest possible future that we can build for this country and i think i would encourage everyone who is following the primary campaign to to engage in that conversation as as a matter of ideas rather than figureheads but i love that Elizabeth Warren is interested i think in a similar way to see in appealing to voters to give her power and then speaking to people in a way that they can digest and understand and trying to reach them where theyre at and i do very much appreciate the way shes diagnosed a system that has moneyed interests completely outweighing the voices of the public and thats the place i need to believe we need to get back to where the wealth and power of this nation are more firmly in the hands of the collective lauren thanks so much for your time today we appreciate it again the book is how to start a revolution young people and the future of american politics its out in available everywhere including for download more politicking after the break. 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Why paradise with someone all year round turned into a round the experimentation field but agricultural chemicals we know that these chemicals have consequences they are major irritant theres no question otherwise why would the Chemical Company workers themselves be geared up and suited up locals attempt to combat the on regulated experiments that often in day you have many of these people one foot into the biotech pharma and the other foot in the government regulatory bodies this kind of collusion is reprehensible while the battle goes on the chemicals continue to poison hawaii and its people so one has to ask the question whether there is a form of environmental racism going on in hawaii whether these Companies Feel they can get away with that because the people have less political power. Welcome back to politicking everybody i may be home sitting in for larry king support for Donald Trumps impeachment is growing according to several recent polls so how worried should the president be well lets talk about this and more with our Political Panel they are michael to he you know hes a Democratic Political political strategist he was also part of the draft bedo effort and he joins us from los angeles here in new york city we have john kearns shes a g. O. P. Strategist and a former spokesperson for the California Republican party ok guys we are in the middle of this impeachment inquiry you know its the news 247 and several recent polls including one from political politico morning consul so that support for impeaching the president is growing the political morning consul poll has 46 percent of voters saying that congress should begin impeachment versus 43 percent who say they should not well we know the president is a fighter but jen how worried should he be about these numbers they only seem to be going in one direction and its not in his favor. Well i think he ought to actually be very concerned and this might surprise you to hear me say this but i have no issue with some of my republican colleagues who were practically dancing with glee last week they saying oh great hes going to be impeached now we raise 15000000. 00 in the 1st 48 hours and this is going to increase his poll numbers i actually as a strict constitutionalist think this is a very serious matter posing the president and its one hell of a take seriously this is a serious impeachment probe no matter who is leading it and this is something that could ultimately result in the president of the United States being impeached and also removed from office so i think thats very important as for the polls lets remember there is a 10 point bias built in silver 538 told us that after the 2016 elections that theres about a 9 point by s. Against conservative so i think that the real number is really around 36 percent and thats nationally if you look at the top 10 congressional districts and ive overlaid the map of the top 10 seats that are going to be up for grabs in 2020 that support for impeachments only in the low twentys in those states so i think thats actually going to make the biggest difference when you. Look at the map and how it looks for 2020 right so michael what about that john is pointing out in terms of where the support for impeachment is do you think the Democratic Party is perhaps risking the electoral map and their congressional majority in the house with this impeachment in korea for well i think theyre doing their job and you know when you do your job sometimes you at least in politics things are at risk but these folks you know you know were were willing for you know for democrats to risk losing house seats you know red red districts that they flip to blue in 2018 because you think theyre doing the right thing these folks put their hand on the bible took an oath to do their job and all the constitution and this is their this is their job and if this is what they want to do this is what image. Already the house wants to do to go down this road and do the probe then you know so be it its written in our constitution this is one of the tools in the tool box to to sort of keep donald trump accountable and this is what the house members still like they have to do then so be it im im all in favor of it and you know as this happens you know weve seen one whistleblower sort of crack and start this Impeachment Movement whos to say theres not others once one comes out there i dont really agree with the blower in quotation marks. So jenny ive actually discussed some of this polling data with Donald Trumps own pollster John Mclaughlin and he finds that in their polling when they werent the question should Congress Work with donald trump with the president to solve the nations problems they get a 66 percent you know yes answer on that but thats not the message that donald trump has been sending i mean we just saw this very Wild Press Conference that he gave with the finnish president and he called joe biden and hunter biden stone cold crooks does donald trump have the discipline to stay on a message that will serve him through this impeachment inquiry that is the 64000000 dollar question amy its a great one i think what you see is donald trump in these early days playing to his base i think he feels that he has to shore up his base 1st we may see sometime later through mclaughlins polling. T. V. Ads radio ads that speak to the points you just brought up and i think that would be very wise but i think in the meantime President Trump feels that he has to talk to his base but the good news for the democrats here and again this might surprise you to hear me actually say this im watching the end dependent numbers pretty closely and those numbers actually do worry me so if you look at the polling there was a c. N. N. Poll out yesterday that showed the support for impeachment among independents and republican leaning independents. Has grown exponentially and back in may that percentage was only about 9 percent it grew this week to 22 percent thats more than double and those are independents and republican leaning independents you also look at republicans the support for impeachment according to that poll is also up to 14 percent that cuts into the very big popularity that donald trump is tad among republicans around 84 percent 89 percent so i think these numbers are troubling for him and thats why i think the white house has got to take this very very seriously so michael youre hearing jen say that President Trump should be worried he should be concerned about how the polling is moving against him weve also seen reporting that House Speaker nancy pelosi thinks that the impeachment inquiry and impeachment effort should be narrowly focused on the president s phone call to the ukrainian president mr zelinsky do you think that thats a good strategy because there are a lot of other democrats who just want to throw in the kitchen thinks think emoluments you know lawless president etc how should democrats proceed well i mean as a democrat im the 1st to admit that organizing democrats is kind of like organizing what stray cats its really hard. But i think with Speaker Pelosi i trust her she knows what shes doing she knows that building she knows where the votes are she knows what her chairman and chair women want to do well right now it seems like his her chairman and chairwomen they all want to be on you know Cable News Network and have their own committees you know diving into all these different aspects of the presidency and nancy pelosi is trying to keep them focused while someone thats on t. V. Right now it is a lot of fun so i dont blame them. But look this is her job i think as things progress and as this probe moves forward perhaps