The United States actually by betraying. Actually is giving a very bad message to its allies in the region and this is something not but what i mean a couple us i mean dont forget the United States if it withdraws from syria it will not be party to this conflict anymore it will not have any leverage and the syrian conflict and some actually also see that russia is winning in this case because america is actually pulling out so that something of the gun is actually dealing with 2 different americas this is actually what makes his position very very difficult and this is what mixed actually the thrust also with the United States is very low now as we are recording this program on friday afternoon and there are already news coming in that at least in one like this suppose that cease fire has been breached and that there are there are direct military confrontation between the Turkish Military and some of the kurdish groups speech at least me to my next question as part of the deal struck last thursday the kurdish. Why b. G. Have to withdraw to at least 30 kilometers from the Turkish Border i think americans really in the position to even promise lot alone deliver on that given that the kurds have already struck a deal with the Syrian Government this is a very good question why binion why because right now the kurds actually they dont have on the one hand and trust in the americans who have already betrayed them this is what they think and on the other hand i believe the leverage of the United States over the kurds since they abandoned them is becoming actually smaller and smaller with time and i wish and now we have russia we have the Syrian Regime actually have strengthened their position even further because of the of this u. S. Policy towards the cause and now actually and my opinion the kurds would be better relying more on russia on the Syrian Regime in order to confront turkey even if they because we all know actually even if they withdraw the 32 kilometers i think this will not solve the problem why because turkeys will always see and see a democratic process as a threat to National Security because they see it as very much the antithesis of the turkish. Security interests and security Foreign Policy so i think here russia and the Syrian Regime will be playing maybe very Important Role in this whole equation between turkey United States and the kurds now these 32 kilometer deep strads is conventionally referred to as a save zone but i think its now abundantly clear that its not a save zone for civilians asked some may have naively assumed but its supposed to be and it was from the very beginning intended as a save zone for turkey and its just interests can turkey be safe without this agreement being explicitly endorsed by the syrians and by the russians and what are the chances. Of that happening no in fact i dont see that the key will be saved without some sort of coordination. Between uncut arm or school and maybe also on damascus and this is something that i shant are trying to work out we all know that president putin and the russian government has already expressed their readiness to. Between turkey and syria an order to revive the accord with the other an accord in fact of 1998 which actually. Did its security on the borders between the 2 countries between the 2 that will governments so i think i think one point and this is something i believe 30 is not actually rejecting outright right now because i believe turkey sees merely the Syria Democratic process as a threatening to its National Security so turkey wouldnt be. If the Syrian Regime. Come very close to controlling the borders because we have seen but as the end of the gun the action to the accession of the Syrian Regime forces to members for example dont line them on a program but so i dont see turkey actually rejecting the idea of maybe that the Syrian Regime can make a comeback and control part of the board does that what they really want is actually to push the cause on to the region that is the only the main concern of turkey at this at this point you just mentioned the syrian army moving ever closer. Is only 17 kilometers away from the Turkish Border and im sure these push to regain the territory on the part of the Syrian Military will continue regardless of any agreement between the turks and the americans it looks like damascus is actually the main badasses sherie of this agreement are absolutely absolutely i think damascus moscow of the biggest beneficiary of this of this agreement i mean there were the books because the actually of that took a. Military operation in the 1st place look i think russia the Syrian Regime turkey and iran these 4 parties actually were mainly interested in getting the americans out they see the United States presence military presence in syria as a major threat to their their interests so i think all they were not actually i mean i think russia were not really very much against the Turkish Military operation in the north again against the kurds because as i said i mean the Main Objective here is having the americans out says that that operation started actually have seen actually both russia and the Syrian Regime moving. Forward in order to recover most of the territories that. Are out of their control and the east of the your fleet is this part of syria is very in much important to the Syrian Regime because because most of the oil and gas of syria actually is look at ing and this is located in this in this part of the of the country and the Syrian Regime in damascus cannot actually survive without having backed the oil and gas fields well mr kaplan he just mentioned that everybody the russians the iranians the turks obviously the syrians one day americans out and the soft x. Is usually that you know everybody wants to take the americans days but from the point of view all syrian reckon struction and syrian suture doesnt it actually make sense to have the americans out because as you mentioned they used to occupy about one 3rd of syria the most amply endowed part of syria doesnt syrian need to be able to rise from the ashes we though without international help. Its really important for the Syrian Regime to come of these territories as i said before because of the oil gaz water out of most of syria Natural Resources are located in this part of syria but that will not be enough in my opinion for the construction of the country and still the city region will be needing external. Distance from maybe the gulf and other parties so i think and this is why you hear russia is trying actually to broker a political solution for the syrian conflict we all we all know that. And russia iran as well. As atlanta. Have already agreed in uncle summit last month on the establishment of the Constitutional Committee in order to have a new constitution for syria and live that way for but as the elections in 2021 if the russians actually manage to do that i think they will be have. Most probably did they have succeeded actually in achieving most of their objectives in syria but in order to do that the actions believe that the 1st step should be that america must must be out of syria that is really important for russia because they cannot actually control the whole syrian issue without actually the americans are out for the iranians they are very concerned about the american presence in the east of the if it is because it cuts. The land corridor between you know iraq syria and to lebanon for turkey and the presence of the United States in the region is also threatening because america is supporting the Syrian Democratic forces and supporting what the turks believe. Separatists. Scheme of the Syria Democratic process so if anyone actually wants the american out in order to move on with their agenda but that on i think we will be seeing we start seeing contradictions between the these different agendas the moment the americans are out i think these different parties will start to have a problem between them well but there with all due respect i think these parties have been having problems for the last couple of years and they have also been pretty successful in managing these contradictions i know that you wrote before that the american president really dislikes the old days. And did the sort of the political initiatives that it puts forward with when you. Look at his latest actions they pull out of the American Forces and how handsomely its place into both russian and syrian hands. It seems that hes really aiding the asked in the process do you think the chances of a political political solution within the ass in that framework a bigger or smaller now that the turks and the americans have to deal well as i said before you have 2 americas here doesnt come back she doesnt get about syria he doesnt care about political solution in syria and he doesnt get actually about who takes what in syria and the many times he said syria is is just sand and death and im not interested it is no much there isnt really interest money interest money u. S. Interest in well now oil fields well its not significant i mean syrias only reserve is not really big its not significant so the americans even when you talk about the gulf but i didnt actually said it many times lets do whats actually who are in need for the oil and the gods of the of the bijan god let them come and both take their supplies i mean he said it many times so what about syria which has much less oil and does it is a have done than the gulf this man is mainly interested about his Reelection Campaign in the United States hes mainly concerned about his rivals inside the United States more than more than he cares about russia and about iran or about the syrian the syrian conflict so this is something that is really important that the drug understand on the other hand when we talk about the as a done up process i totally agree that the americans seem they have already lost i think in syria and what sense and the sense that the no longer controls the political process and see the longer important factor in this conflict the moment they leave the moment they leave they will not be able to have any leverage over the. That the parties inside syria over the political process is will go mainly to the as a process to the thrower of the as a ton of process in russia as we said before russia iran and turkey well mr campbell and we have to take a very short break now but even. Back in just a few moments stay tuned. Facebook and google started with a great idea and great ideals unfortunately there was also a very dark side. They are constructing a profile of you and that profile is real its detailed and it never goes away turns out that google is manipulating your opinions from the very 1st character that you type into the search bar it will always favor one dog food over another one comparative Shopping Service over another and one candidate over another they can suppress certain types of results diced on what they think you should be see if they have this kind of power then democracy is an illusion the free and Fair Election doesnt exist the more growth we give them the sooner we are all hand. 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Welcome back to worlds apartment maran capital and the director of policy analysis at the arab center for research and policy studies mr campbell and while the turks and the americans according to mr trump of the best buddies again just a few days ago political analysts were seriously discussing. A potentiality of for a direct confrontation between in the americans especially after that great task the latter by mr trump was leaked to the media what do you make of this a rather. Unique piece of diploma. Attic correspondence and i mean the mr trump asking mr the not to be a fool and restrain his military well i mean this is a president problem it is there is nothing unusual about him we have seen him actually using less diplomatic language and with i mean with many heads of state you know i mean his exchange with with the leader of north korea. More than a year ago we have also i you know i mean his exchange so with other leaders like canada like. They were so this is a this is a President Club actually and more or less we got used to him but on the other hand we have seen the president of the gun is showing. Exceptional blackmouth ism by accepting the you is deal clearly he doesnt want to get in any sort of direct confrontation with the United States he believes that he needs to take this deal and see how that deal is going to be implemented on the ground before making any further. Youre leading me to my next question perfectly we had dealings he here with pretty big egos both present on and President Trump a very sensitive to being seen as a strong leader is an. Alpha male as yet none of that prevented that deal even though we know from media reports that president though and reportedly threw a trumps letter into the being does it mean that despite all their egos and despite all their temper is the 2 leaders have fallen the way all fs nav edging each other efficiently and getting what they want rather than. You know acting on emotions you know i agree and only enough actually president of the gun president from. A scene by many people actually many observers of the crew was as Close Friends we have seen their body language their interaction and you living. G. 20 summit and jump on for example last summer and we also know that there is some sort of chemistry actually between the 2 men and i think sometimes they tend to ignore some of that because because theyre to actually speak to their domestic audience i think this is why they understand each other really good. President of the gun is saying as you said to to present himself as a strong leader inside turkey and brazil and she would like to do the same especially now. 2020 elections are approaching and hes having tremendous challenges back home so i think yes the 2 men out of able to deal with it with each other despite this exchange which both might not like sometimes that president arizona slated to visit the United States and of embrace teams i believe and obviously a lot made change both on the ground and politically in the next few weeks but. How big the scene is the incentive on both sides to man that relationship not only personally but also in situationally. Tromp need to carry the on as much as aired on its trump absolutely i believe so and dont forget that i think the 2 leaders are leading somehow on a very individualistic way their Foreign Policy president actually doesnt care about or the is jewish and that are working around him this is why we have seen him actually contradicting the advice of his close close advisors and we also have seen but wasnt on the gun taking a very individualistic authoritarian sort of. Ruling and turkey so i think the 2 men somehow have similarities between them and over the boss actually couple of years they have managed their relationship very very well dont forget that actually took the. 100 missiles from russia. Without being actually punished by the United States and that is that is really significant that despite all the threats which have been made especially by the bin tugun at the end of that it was actually who decided not to go with with that which means actually that most notably he understand turkish needs mahendra stand turkish sensitivities and hes taking care of that so i think the 2 leaders will be able actually to manage their relationship in the coming in the coming months even if this ceasefire does not hold in and syria now im sure did the russians will be watching meeting very carefully in the middle east because they believe that in contrast to this American Team cracker read they actually have a real deal to bring the syrian the war to a close do you think these political process that moscow how to launch within the. Framework could be in any danger if their relationship its been the United States and improves a little bit well i think this is triangle russia america and the key is very interesting to watch actually both countries are somehow competing for for turkey turkey is a very important emerging Regional Power and the 2 countries i mean russia and the United States understand that very well they both actual