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International were back with the latest headlines in 30 minutes. Welcome to sophie co visionary. Contemporary art can be a very powerful social commentary with no further ado my guest today is legendary i way when. I waits really great to have you on our program today welcome thank you. So now that i have you here there are so many things that i want to ask you for instance your art mainly. Commentary on certain events is a reflection on things situations and thats understandable because you speak from your whole experience your whole Life Experience behind that art but. I just want to know your perception in terms of is it just important to have a so frequent reflection on your own experience or do you expect this to actually change peoples lives as well. And. Are really. For experience. Struggle or People Struggle just my life and also are. Its me would benefit people but do you do you feel like its your mission also to change other peoples life with your art or this is not something that. Its not something. Or you know im not. One or 2 certain you know set up my art for so complete to go but i do believe the mean time its a human being. This intentional and its always there so im very happy to be part of it so when we talk about contemporary art and here we are because im not a person who sees contemporary art and loves it and there are very few people who are like that actually because contemporary art is usually not a visual thing its more about the concept behind it and unless that concept is explained you dont really understand why that installation is there or why this painting is here and there are a lot of people like me who are very visual people and they dont get conceptual art a less someone like you are an artist as their takes do you feel like. That art should be more adapt to people so that we understand its more easy to for us to understand more accessible i think youre right i would not say i like contemporary art. Practice my art could be related to tradition really too clear old a concept and most of the combat berard. Its just rubbish you know its not really designed the for the people there i reckon they push people away under the lead of the dart has nothing to do with ordinary people which is very sad situation yes also theres a problem with what i see as contemporary art because its supposed to be the most liberal of Self Expression places but then somehow there is a complete dictatorship of the within that spector off contemporary art. For instance you can say this is art and if youre an artist and you said this is supposed to be a that this is art and then where do you make. That the difference whether is real art or not how do you make that difference temporary for me the judgment is real it can be. Really motions really being out in the real world and of a free its a real struggle but the socalled liberals very often is also dictatorship a liberal idea which is a very large and no one has nothing to do with or really struggle. Ive spoken to many people during my career and there was a period when i was interviewing war reporters a lot and i would ask them why are you doing this because they would keep going back and back to hot spots and making this scary but amazing photos and then come back home and go to a psychiatrist all the time and not able to have a normal life and theyre like well because we feel like if we capture the review deal and we show the horror to the whole world this will change things and wars will stop and i mean i dont want to discourage them but wars dont stop they dont and same for like. Something that you are doing i mean it can be a protest against i dont know fires in amazon chinese system hong kong protest anything but does it like make you sad that its not going to actually change to real course of events. My own for i feel sad because so you feel. Theres not much been changed if you know what should be changed its never really going to be changed or a person same so it wont be changed in the short time but when you become part of the dog assad thats what her refuse to defend myself and not to become a part of something i dont believe you can see always the protesting this stablish woman dislike in your wanes and some would think that you know you would only criticize the Chinese Government but then you dont. Make it is it for the white house or the for the european establishment did you ever think that at some point you could separate the political aspects from your art or you dont see your art at all without the political aspects. Dont see my arc of the human struggle on the holy to go as practice very strong part of our human struggle so my art has not. Just not just about. My art its about human rights about the freedom of speech to be jews freedom so that i would always take the struggle and you were this matter europe or china so what you are saying fits perfectly the definition of the world word dissident do you consider yourself a descendant i was born. I think what its so in your own words whats a dissident because for us people with the soviet background would automatically think about celts elision its in with think about sato of and the in the eightys when there statues were actually normalized they came back and they started criticizing their liberators you know because this is a perpetual mission they would say what is in your own words a dissident and the mission of a dissident i think of the. Individuals judgment always relate to human rights and human conditions and. To reflect seem very different political conditions and be alone the individual oh yes in what sense like alone a little fighter. Alone wont fight or even terms of intellectual judgment you know you know who you are not easy to. Update itself who. Rather judgment but who really come out for your experience. So basically always make it super uncomfortable for the system that is whatever at this time it is that your existing right now and you know i think. If i can i want to make them uncomfortable. No. Questioning the power the system that will power to see if there are to print you for the be. There for the people so ive been here for a week in berlin and what i found out that i was going to interview i told some of my german friends im going to interview and way way and its like what can you asking why hes being you know so snobbish about berlin because we love theme when well welcome him here and we gave him this raising space to work and it was like this you know a safe haven for him and now hes saying germany is not tolerant enough so im going to move to u. K. So do you see how germans may think that you are grateful that doesnt matter when it comes to selfexpression and art it doesnt matter nobody comes by me thats a problem for this and theyve given me a space thats totally wrong i wrote good germans very selfcentered and. Theyre not open for deeper discussions i dont like the kindness and i dont like to be decorative for German Society of course the they have many good characters but thats not appreciate a pretty shared a real intelligent individual struggle so youre moving to United Kingdom from what i got there right while im moving to and you were a refugee over the road you know i can go to russia kind of go to india but i knew where i cannot go back to my nation. Thats my problem so i knew where it was to me this is a saying so i said german to me stunned the sending. Me you know im not using asked. For sure you know making music for people so can i talk a little bit about the difference between. The western culture trends and the chinese because western culture the way i see it centers around individual and individual needs. And then from what i understand of the Chinese Culture its much more socially elevated its much more collective so when i hear you because youre saying youre a refugee of the world because they cant go back to china but mostly you live in the western part of the world so when you protest the existing establishment anywhere you go in the west do you think. This is the chinese background coming into play because youre talking about things that matter not only to you but to other people. Who flew. In from the understanding. In the old tradition. Just they have this kind of. Belief so that individuals to more relate to. Your merriment could be nature could be larger understanding of the region right or wrong which is beyond the socalled individual undergarment so in the west i think individuals become. The point is not the individual that you see what happens in the west the socalled individual is opposing is not really a strong Democratic Society and under the freedom of the individual. Just on top of your had would you say there is such place on planet earth where is there is like a perfect democracy individual freedom Self Expression is there such a place on our planet yes there is such place in the individual the more human rights freedom of expression. In my heart he told us why. Fight for my dream and i dont see that would. Become our reality while while protecting my heart so we agree that there is no such country or playing on earth which would be like this perfect democratic habit no i dont think so i think all the so called of the. Have to just leave leave me the suffer of the place so you pretty sad pretty to understand the the people become selfish and very narrow minded but were going to take a break right now when were back well continue talking to legendary i way way. Those who consume Corporate Media will believe the Bolivian Army rightfully overthrew the democratically elected president of bolivia the word coup is not mentioned but this is exactly what the tried and tested Color Revolution playbook was on display for anyone paying attention bolivias democracy is in retreat. And we are back with a way so i want to talk a little bit about you and you know what happened to you and what form to you as its huge figure in todays contemporary art. Forceful in your own words what is the difference between the expectations of an artist in china and in the west because you were in china before you were persecuted you were also a huge figure. What is the society expect from an artist there and here society has backed artists to be part of the partys. Machine of course you are not directly employed the party but you cannot see which party some like their hero how did it thats why i. Know thats all im being forced out for my own nation in the west under the name freedom every individual is encouraged or to do their own was thinking but its not said right or meaningful or made people very spoiled. And the people. They live in conditions and the true state. Of mind. I know you. Once at that had you not been harassed by the government. Maybe you wouldnt be this famous. You said that right yes thats true but it so do you feel like if you werent persecuted back then by the Chinese Government you wouldnt be this huge figure in the art well just because of your art. Is hard to measure if you just measure by my art its far more. Its much more meaning that i want to be generally seeing in the western society. But they just dont have the measurement to measure my heart you know i have to use the same kind of measurement they measure to try to improve the system. Be more precise what is in your art that the west doesnt see because they dont have that instrument i see art is about desperately seeking the truth which is always the value which art has been cost of heart has being from crits about the truth about the moral about cold conditions and i think the practice have lost because they are not for those issues under so they dont understand what im doing. What do you think they see new art if they dont see any of the what youve just said and see i think of what they see from art partially because im a person who reads my boy use to talk against a sarky or or see my works in some. Uncomfortable situation. For general. Practice in the west so youre saying they see this just cool guy who is not afraid to speak out and because the western ballot is sort of mean that there must be a rebel here and there thats why they can hear you just to have you paraded as the guy who rebels but really dont see beyond that you know i think the. I think the and they used to and they used to admit to me they see me more like a rock star or some you know im to tame and guy to blame them i dont blame them you know people only seeing what they can see and i appreciate this suhasini. But if we flip it from the other side from the government side i always think about it and i dont have an answer why is it that. Government that is criticized through art any government is so afraid of it i mean art does not organize protests or strikes or art doesnt help win or lose elections and yet every time any government does anything against art on the contrary it amplifies the problem and actually plays in the hands of the artist or the art why is it that governments are so afraid and not able to sort of you know ignore the japs you make by art i think you ask him barry good question here. I think art cannot be harm for it doesnt demonstrate some march but the art provides a way overbooking. Provide. Value judgement so as not to tube which. Shaking the foundation of the legitimacy of the governing and thats a very dangerous all the kids on the all the powerful people and by the. And. The need for them so try to be honest here when you got backlash by the cover i dont have to try to be honest here because sometimes i try to be honest but somehow i have so many layers that only one layer in me speaks because i thought so much about your life so you got backlash from the government and you were under house arrest and potentially would go to prison and you didnt know how you would end up like you had no guarantee that youll be sitting here in berlin you mean to write did you at any point and it point out that i have only one life and this art that doing is not worth it its not worth what im going through i dont see. Only by doing one thing i recognize whats the by little from are you you know yes we this is all these automatic wisemen of life either polish it and you know also we have to be so my my you moment make me. Want life. Can i go live there you know this i understand how you would say this now but is this the way what you were thinking back then when youre under house arrest having no guarantees you would get out. This question i was deeply regret i dont have someone or something come protect myself and come and come to you should the holy spirit and the bird dark thats why. Im always scared boys to the people in the country shouldnt because its a hopeless make you a group gripe about a what are you doing. So heres another. Emotional question because theres a general perception that big masters no matter with its visual arts or poets or writers or directors they usually cannot create as well outside of their country as they can on their soil and you started this interview by saying i want to go back to china because thats where i belong do you feel like your art would be even grander different if you were able to do it on your own soil. I i feel in the same way i think for writers pressure writers i think my so also us are writers you loose so much porn dot for me omars you know its like a tree and you feel a big tree thats more dangerous you know small tree of course you can move to and your words through kind so why so i have so much rooted. And what people say me my performance in the west may be less than 5 percent i can really achieve or even much less or if i have the earth or the some shy or the wind the computer much. Better performance. I want to turn back to fighting the systems again because whether its china america or europe it is still a system somewhere to craddick others are more democratic but its a system so for an artist who is living in this its not somewhere in a jungle right. Its always a dilemma because youre part of you know this whole string of curators exhibitions galleries grants but then you have to criticize that that feeds you do you ever have that de lima i dont i dont see they feed me i think im probably fizzy some kind of poison you but. They dont feed me nobody feed me i feed off and also i dont care about the system i dont people. Words im going to use but about. Not do i would ever have one more example not its not my. So you have a 10 year old son and ive heard once again you said that he once said no more i will wait because he was like not into the whole political art do you ever think that you are getting carried away with your art and he want to say. Way way come on no more i will wait give yourself a break is telling me. All the time but i do have some responsibility for the for you you know theres the people. Ask me be your voice please be there please stay so but i have to make this kind of balance much so called the private a lot of. Trial would. Contribute to the struggle. If you had the attorney question is comparing contemporary art and what you say protest art or social art with traditional art for instance. Or renoir or by levy i mean we agree both that its art right of course my levitra revolutionary art but there are much more about self thinking and self reflection rather than i dont know a political statement in your art or protesting what do you think when it comes to arts today is more relevant and more poignant self digging or making a statement that is commenting on a certain event. If you self do you gain deep enough you have to make a political statement why because to be created by the system already through x. Certain cultures under certain establishment and. Questioning those who said to them in an establishment you cannot really create your own true self. So lets say i dont know the big as ballerinas thats not real art because it doesnt co