We can in the worlds ensure pizza weve routes ukraine without a close relationship between russia and the ukraine the americans know that russia will never have the car if we were hit in soviet times that is why the americans now have a foothold in ukraine and then not compared to relinquish even if that means corridor hundreds of millions of dollars each year the americans know this sheer importance of it and look at nato pizza not only are they establish in a naval presence at odessa but theyre also establishing a naval presence at another very important ukrainian called interests that russian soviet once was a cause now that just demonstrates why ukraine is us very much importance to america ok but also the top of europe and you can see that if you crane ever. Joints nato then russia the league and all its western ukraine is the missing piece in the jigsaw for america and now its ok well clearly you know in the same time a new me if youre going back to these hearings here you are you got the impression that its the United States that has to prove its bona fide is that it is a good ally of ukraine its all upside down ok because we all know or anyone that knows something about ukraine knows that its really intensely corrupt number one and number 2 the people of ukraine havent been asked about this here ok i mean it seems everything is upside down its the National Security state that needs ukraine for 2 reasons to maintain it to maintain a rationale for its existence and to pointlessly antagonize russia has almost nothing to do with ukraine in a sense nor. Well a tough 1st it seemed rather simple to be. Reflecting domestic issues obviously if you can present ukraine as a critical ally that suggest. Neglect of ukraine or you know the socalled bullying or. Against ukraine or was merely almost a sort of treason so throwing away a critical or strategic ally in order to get an upper hand on the bidens now i do think it to rest and also has a Strong International dimension obviously so or older office in 2002 and they thought as a book at a summit right this was to mean what americans were pushing very hard to get. Ukraine and georgia into nato but the europeans resisted knowing that yes this would be a strategic advantage or an expansion towards russia which would which could be a strategic blunder yeah well the consequences would have to be bared by the europeans. If this one has the creator which conflicts with russia so i do think that this effort to. Change the language in. Essentially begin to bring ukraine gradually in the threat of bird flu and reflects something much deeper than merely this Community Gets trump it whats really interesting here team is that if you if you kind of step back and you look at whats going on under the new president s alinsky he is making steps mall steps making steps to resolve the issue in the dharm pass it seems to me the american officialdom would be very happy with that they dont want to see peace as a matter they like to see this tension because they think it is a an impediment to russia an irritant to russia of course the people of the donbass dont simply exist in their minds they have no agency actually do have a lot of agency in it and over 13000 people have been killed most of them in the dark about so they know what this is all about here that dovetails into something that trumpet said ever since that campaign resolving issues and i think that minsky and trumps each other is partners in possibly doing that not this side show that were seeing go ahead well you are right when youre saying 13000 people died and gone bust but you wouldnt know of our dead from the hearings you know i read the hearings and they see just inaccurate information. Of the state Department Says that ukraine isnt. Just its not just an abuse of power by the president but the harm he inflicted on ukraine a critical ally are the constant assault by Russian Forces more than 13000. 00 ukrainians have died on your cranial soil defending their territorial integrity against the russian aggression fiction well so again 1000 people were killed this is the General Number of People Killed in Eastern Ukraine during the. Started in 2014 a lot of these people are civilians live in donetsk and lugansk killed by the there was no Russian Aviation there there was all the ukrainian aviation they were killed by warps and mystic cant all live to the corner. When he says that they died defending the enhanced russian aggression this is just brute jury in fact you know he no no no i dont believe and i dont like to push back but i mean this is a cry oh no nothing like that or has it and said this many times i mean and it made us this it totally markets in london i mean these these hearings and they talk about American Foreign policy i had the strong impression that they were living in a time capsule i think they used to the most regular normative cold war language and im going to agree with the me here i mean they they have they have their lenses see russia and ukraine through a cold war a cold war a view in that its not what reality is all about they cant escape their ideological obsession here go ahead marcus. Locator or you surface. In america and in particular here is concerned in American Foreign policy but do i attach much importance i dont know any i dont know. So american politicians have to say or indeed american Civil Servants or partners etc no i dont i dont believe in rehab politics and real politics is brutal politics you know the Americans Care nothing about 13000 people havent died in the darkness in matters of to have been hunted starts and they care nothing when men but 1000000 Vietnamese Civilians died because of the american aggression all that matters to american policymakers is ensuring that the lusher of today which because of letting it loose it is a superpower again is limited in its power and the americans ideally want to see you lost as status today in the world as a resurgent great power and to do that the americans understand as they have since the early 99 ceased when the crowd. Became independence that depriving lash out at the close relationship of ukraine. Really limits russian for instance our on the International Scene i met a pizza nato aircraft operate in song cheers could reach moscow in serious danger 20 minutes absolute worst of what hans like. Let me go to get up early go to one of the things i think interesting and they no ones talked about here is the selinski when its a peace candidate and then take russian candidate Everybody Knows that you know it was overwhelmingly 7270 something to present. The meat the behavior of these bureaucrats is derailing that possibility they want ukraine to stay in a state of war or conflict or agitation with russia they dont want to see the end of conflict ok thats undermining his entire agenda here and one minute before we go to break well obviously they they have they see the Something Else that this conflict is beneficial in terms well for 2 reasons one militarizing ukraine thats this war against russia and pushing it further out of europe and the arms of the voters dont cycle on the most of the voters dont see it that way in ukraine we know that yes but but it depends on who is whos interesting or whether or not this is really in americas interest or because by by pushing russia out of europe its seeking now its new partnerships in asia so i think. This is a bit of a strategic divide in the United States as well about what they should focus on the nothink youre right and to some extent this represents something from the past because russias not the soviet union or the russian empire its ambitions and ability to dominate europe person the whole continent is ludicrous these days so it is but they are creating a new alliance which should be concerned for for the United States and that is putting russia and china are going to be a little bit ago to a short break here but you know ukraine is in talks with china with its role in belt and this is something the american senators and the Political Class dont seem to be aware of and its very important to go to a short break and after that short break well continue our discussion and some real news stay with us. Join me every thursday on the alec simon show and ill be speaking to get us to the world of politics sports business im show business ill see you then. Chose seemed wrong all right all wrong just dont call. Me old yet to shape our disdain comes to educate and in games from an equals betrayal. When so many find themselves worlds apart we choose to look for common ground. Toughened by an intimate one interesting account sway or both of us who. Benefit so smooth to have our. Closing this way got to dog so hard not to think of the mother dismiss the work of the take away and open the store up and if. This is the only thing that we do is music because everybody fights aimed his way. To. The floor you can fall to the feet all found is more persuaded and you have all the ability to the payment on the. But i think is this is the funds that is all come from. Lead. Welcome back across town where all things are considered im Peter Lavelle to remind you were discussing some real news. Ok lets switch gears here damon let me go to you 1st here. Ive been watching western Media Coverage of the military coup in libya but almost nobody says a coup yes ok. Its its kind of like another one of these 2014 munich obits just went away yes morel is just went away. They dont report on the fact that everything that is done has been done to force them out and the political events afterwards were against their own constitution against every single law when it comes to executive authority and actually legislative authority in bolivia but everyone in media is oblivious to it as a matter fact its bipartisan its a good thing but it doesnt advance democracy there its only tree thank you for making that very good parallel with ukraine because when theyre talking about believing in washington or when theyre talking about ukraine my impression is that these are blind people a part of them is aggressive part of them is less aggressive but they all dont understand what theyre talking about like i read that you know in the fair or quit which criticised their coverage of the ukrainian conflict they still say that John Mcwhorter each was pro russian and against ukrainian membership in nato or in the you know unocal which was not against if it was for a compromise and he had to flee because he feared for his life he could be healed by the same reason with more on this you know they keep saying vote do regular very curious you know them for some reason he had to go to mexico well and for some reason he didnt take the plane that well more or less said that if i took an american plane i would most likely. In one tunnel his words which unfortunately it may be true you know let me go let me go to marcus in london i mean the parallels here that we have been is weyler are really amazing except they didnt succeed in venezuela but you see the playbook is exactly the same you have these fake n. G. O. S here these fake human Rights Groups and you have election irregularities which nobody has proven at all theres been no evidence of it from the organization of american states they just said it ok and everybody just takes it for granted ok and at the same time the people who are taking control of bolivia have a deplorable record of racism against the Indigenous People where are western liberals defending these people theyre not there marcus go ahead. Yes i read the newspaper coverage in the paper its all the american engineer its clear lets be more specific the cia engineers coup against president morales and it made my stomach turn because conservative and liberal use papers painted i can polish deceptive picture all events in bolivia a betrayed president morales as almost too radical as someone who falsifies Election Results but that is no surprise let me tell you this between 2007 i was a writer on tribune and the editorial line of the tribune about time was one of jubilation at how latin america had largely speaking and let its socialist governments which wanted to really gain their Political Economic and cultural independence from america and who also wanted to forge close relations with. Russia now it was in 2007 i was there right its at the success of socialist parties across latin america i was a little bit more pessimistic or realistic because my opinion was that one day the american empire will shrug the back of america merica knows the u. S. Knows latin america like i know my at chance the american the americans are playing the long game in latin america they have penetrated in 3 institution in 3 country or even decades on that concert and they know this peter that yes there could be times when i dont see american governments concert hour but the american style penetrated the establishment with those ok cheese in a way because its markets one thing interesting thing you know i absolutely agree with you what youve said and let me turn to glenn here with marcus his description is perfect on the mark but he never used one word thats important democracy ok that was being denied here yeah and that tends to be the main the missionary society. The tower is the democratic revolution you know which is the new world which so to some extent legitimizes. And i guess you could have a reasonable discussion of whether or not. Not the rule of law would allow for marlice to stand for a 4th term and you can even discuss this issue of work whether or not there has been any. Irregularities with the votes however a lot of these arguments kind of become to some extent pointless because marla she said ok well we can have another election we can have another Election Committee and we can also have it all under International Supervision the u. N. Can come and go through the organization of american states was his mistake that was the recommendation by the american or all the recommendations of the organization of american states so essentially he said deliberately everything but but what happened while you had the military forcing him to go and pulling away all these political allies and the military kicking him out and while its a and then you have this senator. In the us who has done something and. I am the new president and i guess it is a democratic revolution were just the rule of law and worst democracy because on his platform he put everything in place. Not just big back to ukraine but those to some extent what happened in the world which made this a deal really elections the. American states in believe it played the same role as the e. U. In ukraine it pretended to be a mediator and in fact it was supporting one of the sides of the court and the e. U. Made it possible for them i dont regime to oust the legally elected president you know they just didnt all of them commitments you know that the e. U. In ukraine the same story here when good moralists great when the commander in chief of the army william climbin made the following statement we suggest to the president that he resign his men date elo in the pacific. Asian or believe it that could come from general pinochet in 1950 that was of the same language but what is very important you made a very good comparison with venezuela you know the United States has been accused of a 1000000000 for 8 to russia china or keep president morales in believe it did not ask for aid from russia and china hes economic rather the record is very good even his opponents the indigenous speaker cede that small and Medium Enterprises flutist believe it was the poorest country in latin america he raised the work of people out of work so you cannot make the same because asians against you mr we make against one dural but asked for help and more others didnt and what happened to him so the same story as with colonel qadhafi in libya he did everything he was everything in the aust of the west asked him to do he designed and what happened to him more or less did not ask russia and china for help and what happened to him so next time when the United States and theyre going to say if american states all the e. U. When they ask someone else stop asking russia and china and others you know stop asking them for 8 that person will think twice before for when that advice to go back to you in london. Is absolutely right i mean poverty extreme poverty was tackled with Great Success under morale as well i really do worry because 1st of all you have the military its always dodgy when the military is calling the shots and then you have this political opposition that is intensely racist there are even fascistic backgrounds of some of these characters very well documented please go go to the gray zone for example i really worry about the people of bolivia particularly the people that are most vulnerable that make the move to head over the last decade are they going to fight to keep it or are we going to see some kind of dirty war thats probably the worst Case Scenario go ahead marcus of london. Ok so you know as well as i do about the lightning deaf schools that america trains armed and supported other means latin america during the 1980s all in all that up to keep socialism out of latin america and to keep soviet influence out of latin america and i would argue that is the case today that the americans will you know pay to what really turns my stomach is how british and american commentators talk about how in chiba venezuela and bolivia there are human lights of pieces well excuse me one of the key subsets is of socialism in latin america as was the case of soviet communism has been Education Health and welfare that is a human rights many of the Health Systems for example the Health System in cheaper the least the Health Systems in the western world stand in but of course american and british concept is do not care about the welfare we do nary people in latin america as they dont care about you didnt we welfare or people in the ukraine what they care about is ensuring that you know our country can have influence in their backyard which is how they regard latin america rest and they do not want socialist guns and its not so well you know its an attempt to sting here in america so if i go to glenn here i mean if you do have these you know you have instability intentional instability and in venezuela we have it now with bolivia. What you could see is. Migration north i mean this isnt a domestic issue in the United States or you you cant have it both ways ok you cant so you want to call the shots in latin america and not. Experience the consequences there of. You know its against similarities in europe you cant to topple all this governments in north africa and middle east unless you can have a migrant crisis in the same applies in the United States now obviously. Point will be more of a concern than bolivia. But i guess i dont want to add as well that the presentation of the media of this story is find a quiet. Because where where and when these protesters are approaching protest what are the government they are peaceful protests or a state problem ocracy but as soon as hes toppled in a coup and loyal to him begin to protest this and come on constitutional move a lot of power they become violent mobs and again going to dine we dont not only cups then this is largely what happened in ukraine i saw that remember of course only one rejected or the Association Agreement with the e. U. You had all this protest and they were hailed by the even the americans giving a cookies and they were you know pro democracy them a credit card lucian and the taking over government buildings as soon as they had toppled in a good marriage and something about not just the but when they had taken power and you saw the same happening in east thing we actually dont recognize the legitimacy of this postcoup government there were villains mobs they want to it didnt have an agency they were just a tool of kremlin and in this kind of legitimize going to russia but there were these countries thing here is that me again weve all stressed your directly and indirectly mainstream Corporate Media please its wall in these power plays here thats all the time we have gentlemen many thanks to my guests here in moscow and in london and thanks to our viewers for. Watching this here r t c n x time to remember. World is driven by shaped by our own person or those. Dares thinks. We dare to ask. Good food descriptions sound up even for the owners so how to choose the pet Food Industry is telling us what to feed our pets really more based on what they want to sell us than was necessarily good for the pet turns out pet food may not be yourself the people believe we have animals that have you know diabetes in arthritis they have auto immune disorders if that allergies we are actually creating these problems its a huge epidemic of problems all of them i believe can be linked to very simple problem of diet and some dog owners so heartbreaking stories about their pets treats the larger corporations are not very interested in proving or disproving the value of their food because theyre already making it a 1000000000. 00 on it and theres no reason to do that research. And were going to fulfill the repeated purposes of politics to the people and come out you know weve all bought the printers. For a. Patent. Now you want to. Know. All. The tense situation in venezuela is still all over the news the problem in venezuela is not that socialism has been poorly implemented but that socialism has been faced only implement from the inside venezuela things move different were going to announce sanctions against Petroleum Venezuela associated. Famous will have a son of the moment believe. That empathy and political baggage of. The present. Focus of the whose story isnt new makes him Henry Kissinger to tell him that it would not be tolerated that in latin america an alternative economic and social system could take hold and therefore the policy would be to make the chilean economy scream so whats now making the economy of venezuela screed. Iran accuses the u. S. Of hypocrisy for supporting mass protests sparked by a hike in fuel prices. The people of the year and a half ago the United States. People will not be taken advantage of play outside in the economic pressure of the nation. Also this hour u. S. Democratic president ial candidates slam dollar trumps decision to pardon American Service personnel convicted of war crimes we look at how his predecessors have also solve those guilty of atrocities. And we visit the border between denmark and sweden where checks have been imposed after by
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