Other very good evening to you thanks for joining us this is r. T. Supporters of fear the cofounders extradition to the United States might happen much quicker now after swedish prosecutors announced that they be dropping a 20 ton rape investigation against the south and saying that evidence in the case was not Strong Enough to continue. After dinner issue investigation and investigative steps taken over the summer in the autumn is now clear that the oral statement testimony and support given by the injured party has weakened therefore i have come to the conclusion that additional interviews with Julian Assange would not argue or d. Avid in cherry bases in a decisive manner as such i have decided not to hold an interview with him swedens decision may help america north or it is in their attempt to seek asylum shes extradition from the u. K. To the u. S. Only faces espionage charges by can 2010 they publish classified documents leaked by former Us Army SoldierChelsea Manning these revealed alleged u. S. War crimes in iraq is on saga has raised concerns over washington street meant of whistleblowers generally and it comes as another saga overly curious covering the playing out protecting whistleblowers who see wrongdoing of any kind in our government is essential is basically on the verge of not only revealing the identity or getting somebody else to reveal the identity of the whistleblower but also bringing harm to that person. Ok im still alive im alive now by roger waters musician cofounder of course of pink floyd and a supporter of wiki leaks thanks for joining me. Lets just get a reaction 1st of all to the news of the sexual investigation being dropped against Julian Assange is what was your reaction to that. Well mainly mouth punching will share i couldnt believe the statement that prosecutors put out by the way is the alleged in g c theres no evidence to support the idea that Julian Assange changed injured anybody but anyway thats a confused story and well never get to the bottom of it but it had nothing to do with any judicial procedure it was wheels within wheels it was the powers that be putting pressure on the swedish government who pressure on the Prosecution Service who can pressure on the plate the whole thing is a completely bogus set up and it is in partially in consequence to that bogus julian surgeries imprisoned still today. Ive released a video just of the video from this room where im sitting. Just a p. Days ago going its november the 11th guys armistice. While those men died for wasnt it something to do with freedom and judicial process and the law nor is being thrown out of the window at the behest. Of the growing mano that is United States of america and it is so wrong and it will be the 10th who are simply dont come together and stop it the 1st thing to do would be to free julian and so on from his. Poland predicament in belmarsh prison now today please thank you i interviewed International Extradition lawyer yesterday i asked him whether he thought the Legal Process would be followed the Legal Process or whether politics could play a role he said that it would be foolish to think that politics will not influence this case does that give you much confidence of sound chances of not being extradited. Well its very interesting that a legal expert i dont know who the gentleman whos youre talking about should actually say. It is extremely unlikely that a process of law will be followed and hes quite right theres no process of law being followed at the moment somebody somebody banged up in belmarsh for 23. 00 ounce out of every 24 being slowly murdered by the state because he told uncomfortable truths about war crimes committed by the United States of america its it really purely political this is a political prisoner ok theres no question about it theres no sense obama its that is what is going on hes been hung out to dry as a warning to others others who might decide that they might be journalists that they might fulfill that function as journalists by informing the public and the electorate of what goes on secretly in their name like for instance in the case of Chelsea Manning and the collateral murder video shows from baghdad back in 2010 the aimless vicious callous slaughter of innocent civilians by troops acting under the commander in chief of the United States government. So its there its all graphic and thank you julian assumptions thank you Chelsea Manning thank you daniels thank you anybody else who who somehow finds out anything about these men long iran and vicious governments and informs us the public about them and he releases him leads release Julian Assange now just do it now just to pay them you know i saw a really great commencement address by noam chomsky to a bunch of Young Students in some university here im going to tell you almost nothing about their base at this. You know you speak so i wont try and imitate him he said most of our problems globally. Could be sold if we did one thing one simple thing about. The role and he said hes not talking about the treaty of rome or international or just even to a bay the laws of the United States of america might save the world is very interesting and it probably would so this business objects tradition has nothing to do with the Legal Process hes being railroaded in ricks discussed and of people of sweden should feel just as the shamed of being swedish as are i do of being english because we allow ourselves to be coerced. By the powers that be particularly by the government if United States we are not we we are no backing but our governments are at their beck and its disgusting he talked a lot about troops the importance of it i just wonder how does it feel does it does it hurt even more when you see the case of a supposed whistleblower providing information against the president of the United States and being really quite hailed and protected and everything they say is followed up on and then you see this very contrasting situation with julian assad where the truth and facts that he reveals and that with him being prosecuted yeah well clearly whoever whoever you know i take all this with whistle blowing around trump impeachment with a pinch of salt i know nothing about it really i couldnt be more bored by trump news preachment millers bullshit obviously the mans crazy hes above hes destroying the world kind of affairs but we fiddle around playing silly games about. Congress and where can you imagine this going to the senate where they need to what is it 60 percent vote to actually rataplan impeachment anyway thats not my area of expertise im not an expert in these matters but i dont care about it but yes youre so right but then he says he has friends in high places who are these clothes are and theres some 2 of them being the c. E. O. Knows what games are being played we dont know and we probably never will to find the truth these days is extremely difficult you can only discover truth you get a bit of truth from artsy i have to say to give you go is your due but normally to find anything true you need to go to blogs like gray zone or the interceptor you need to follow kate injuns and then australia or something to actually find out what might be going on because you wont find in. Truth in the Mainstream Media by and large which is also weird that the Mainstream Media does is it stolen just kind of simple propaganda wrong but it shows a narrative that is destroying itself but theyre destroying julian 1st and theyre destroying the rest of us let him go nothing wrong in any thing he will be. Lauded as a hero of the people for getting at the truth and then publishing it and hes not killing him anymore. Roger thanks so much for coming on appreciate your and for your years many thanks roger waters pink floyd cofounder wiki leaks supporter there are 3 im. Biting. On to the news now the current state of the russian economy has been picked over the key for here in Russia Vladimir Putin gave his assessment at the russia calling event which also touched on the Global Economy and International Relations with details. Widely reported has been uncertain questions from participants all the 11th annual russia calling investment far ahead moscow they say are the event gathered guests from 80 countries for almost 2 hours and i have to tell you not all of them were purely about money but a lot about politics i can say sions of russia medlin into well basically everybodys affair is and what is known commonly as a russian threat forum on topics brought up. Till now the us has been saying that it is an umbrella giving protection to europe from the soviet menace but you have to pay for this however nowadays it doesnt work despite all the problems in ukraine all the speculations around crimea in donbass everyone clearly understands that russia is not going to invade anyone it is nothing but nonsense it is a myth made up by those who are trying to gain benefits from their roles as vanguards fighting against russia or the but it was. Feingold nobody accuses us of meddling in the us election anymore now they accuse ukraine well ok its their business but of course talking to khan and they can hardly avoid discussing c. V. Or economic sanctions the us keeps imposing on russia and its a facts on Global Economy if we talk about sanctions and the perspectives of lifting them this is not our judy here but it was the Us Administration about this it was the us congress which imposed them not us 1st of all it forced us to implement the substitution of imported goods in those sectors which are closely tied to our National Interests and security is a very wide range of sectors agriculture Medicine Pharmaceuticals armaments and weve reached a very good and positive results i see it as a boomerang effect many u. S. Companies invested a lot of money in this or that project but then had to cancel them so they lost punish themselves and it seems that why report inspiring to be shared by many including Global Business and International Financial media just recently forbes. Published an article calling russia bullet proof and claiming its market is doing better than chinese or american surprisingly despite all the restrictions the magazine added that russia has over a 541000000000. 00 u. S. Dollars in foreign currency reserves and the largest gold reserves in one emerging markets with russian bonds becoming increasingly attractive pain considerably more interest than for example u. S. Ones but all in all as the participants have this forum here in moscow agreed it wasnt just about how attractive russian economy is but it was an honest professional conversation how to act together globally to make Global Market balanced. Ties between the u. S. And europe are stronger now the end of the cold war at least thats the opinion of nato secretary general. This words today are in stark contrast to those of the french president among your micron recently said that the alliance was turning the brain that it has done of pics of the story. Nato heavyweights are converging upon brussels and its all smiles and pats on the back and a very very v. A. P. Guest all the way from the United States the secretary of state might bump a 0 himself but behind this facade of handshakes and mutual joy hides a nasty in the blocks fabric and that is between the believers in the alliance and heretics who dare question the relevance of the book and this whole aggravation it stems from right here from france when president emmanuel mccrone dared to assume dead to say that the bloke is experiencing and i quote brain death what we are currently experiencing is the brain death of me to only works if they go into all of the last resort functions a search that we should reassess the reality of what is in the light of the commitments of the. United states and now since early november when that happened this jab is still hurting with the nato for instance secretarygeneral yun stoltenberg has felt the urge on tuesday to comment on those words and essentially he said that europe is defenseless without nato e. U. Cannot defend europe well mccraw those words didnt sit well with other members of the block to for instance the u. S. Ambassador to nato she said the chief strongly disagreed with them and she called the alliance essential i dont think europe would be a sea without a transatlantic bond that we have the German Foreign minister also talked about this and he said that nato had been europes military insurance for the past 70 years and one polish member of the European Parliament well he managed to find the only present russian trailed behind microns words in fact he stopped very short of calling the french president a russian puppet i think is very sensitive to russian pressure in any case in france this is a long tradition and this is only the latest in a whole spree of loyalty troubles faced by nato lately for instance even the locomotive pulling it forward the United States has had its problems with the block donald trump for instance has criticized europe for being unwilling to pay a fair and due amount for all the benefits europe is well apparently enjoying from its partnership with nato we must also ensure that nato members meet their financial obligations wish pending 90 percent of data with the piggy bank that they like to take from well i asked parisians where they stand when it comes to the relationship between europe and nato we have to take more about nato europe is great and i think thats we have to take care of everything in europe. I think its true it seems complicated to completely bypass this longstanding organization of nato praetorian its true i think europe needs to start having its own weapons both political and economic to protect itself i think that europe is Strong Enough to protect itself evidently the chasm between opinions on whether or not nato needs europe and vice versa is as wide here in paris as it is within the bloc itself im going to done a reporting from paris artsy. Joined now on the line by mark allman is the director of the Research Institute good evening to you mark europes nato members that seem to be singing from the same song sheet sort of the alliance is there a hint of a split here. There isnt it its a crisis of the 70th birthday of nato is actually seen questions about whether as michael says its brain dead and what can be done about it it really is a kind of 3 way split if you like. United states acted all over the places like syria and this showed that it didnt take into account its allies and that turkey simply did the same. But the french say that they need to assert themselves and your needs for such as a separate pillar of nato and not be too dependent on the americans but other countries like for instance germany thats often seen as a copartner axis with france running the e. U. Is rather worried about this mrs merkel originally said when trump became president that your order for more troops on defense but then a lot of her advisers said but that means would have to pay a lot more. And so there are certain tensions between paris and berlin between paris and washington and all of this brings out that there are deep divergence of interest for instance. For the United States looks at things globally whether its paying for their lines from south korea to europe or. In terms of who his rivals are it sees russia and china as global rivals whereas many of the or pin states and the divided east and west the further west you go to france to see russia as a country that is ultimately what you have to deal with its always going to be there and they dont have an embedded fear and hostility to it in the way that some of the Baltic States and poles have for instance so theres a deep chasm Division Within your about how you judge the major power to its east as all of these things come together to make a very messy Birthday Party for a major coming up in 2 weeks time did donald trump play a role in this with his insistence that you know that america does all the heavy lifting and and the paying the the bulk of the cost of that or the members need to come to be more did then why didnt any kind of fishes. Will if it does because its one area where trump and the American Foreign policy establishment agree that the United States its not just nato its places like south korea and japan should all be asked to pony up more money to pay for instance for u. S. Bases and so on and the french for instance of course see themselves as a great power and they do possess Nuclear Weapons and with the departure of the british from the e. U. The french see this i think some extent as an opportunity but also a necessity to try and conglomerate the european members of nato into a more effective unified alliance with their own military strategy and so on that worries not just people trump who perhaps is less concerned about this and many of the American Foreign policy establishment who dont really like trump but also dont really want to have a european do list nato that would be parallel to the United States if you like an equal balance in factor t