Say those things they dont believe it so its not exactly a ceasar but theres some resemblance. Well its not exactly the euro ceasar but i think the bill of all of ideological influence on the policies is chai king and i think what is absolutely shocking to me for example is that the fact that people would use so much time so much added you so much resources on deliberating something that has very little bearing on the lives of ordinary americans do you feel that do you feel that frustration among the ordinary people in the United States because within the euro ceasar people definitely were very much a nerd by the fact that most of the ideological debates have very very little bearing on how they leave well the good thing is. That half of the country probably even a little more because according to their recent polls 57 percent are believe that are good u. S. Russia relations are good for america and theyre what are people who are pushing the preachment their goal of course is no to overthrow President Trump and they use russia as an instrument but to more than half of the country dont believe them and this is something that makes me feel much better and not through here. Be so through like. We were in your ceasar when their 100 percent didnt believe what our leaders were saying to us now going back to the impeachment proceedings im sure you have a chance to read the transcript of that fateful july 25th phone call between President Trump and hes ukrainian counterpart presidency i think psychologically it was a fascinating and a very revealing conversation but in terms of inappropriately using the office of the u. S. Presidency the charge that the democrats a leveling against trump did you find anything of substance. Maybe. If youre talk about psychology. Then maybe theres something but nothing close to cry high crimes and misdemeanors of course trump wanted to get some what we call compromise on bargain but this same time he had legitimate reasons for that. United states spend billions of dollars and most of this money was stolen and everyone simply understands and the greatest of them so present has the right to put on hold and some but because 8. 00 until right or ukrainians brings a hardass in order so i would say maybe 10 percent or 14 during this conversation may be a little bit suspicious but 90 percent its privileges amount if you know one of the most jarring things for me in that whole conversation was the absolutely shameless forming off president lansky him saying that trump is not 100 but 1000 percent thrive and achieve getting zilinskas all president ial victory on things that he has learned from trump i mean it was clear in that conversation that he would say anything to get into chums good graces and yet throughout these impeachment hearings ukraine was presented as these poor little made them that trump is trying to abuse if anything shouldnt be the presidency lansky who ought to be if not impeached then at least questioned about how he carries the office of of the president. Well her presence around sphere of course all of us were at this point that we were extremely happy when he won because of her was that in country and to the world in the war. Sort of a corrupt. And on 73 percent of people more subsume of course voted not for their own script but just there was a famous novel by stephan sweig who said the history sometimes give you a chance and if you really know something someone has guts you use this chance you can even change the history but in this case history gave sagansky a chance and he basically blew it and then no one knows whats going and whats going to happen so to me hes not on the way of fulfill the promises that he gave to ukrainian people well to some extent the history is being rewritten it within the United States itself and by that i mean the waveguide american president s from now and well be able of carrying out their duties because i think you know any president. Would let alone a u. S. President would have major difficulties conducting a policy or simply even engaging with hes counterparts or her counterparts knowing that Everything Everything that he or she sat could most likely would be used against them can you actually be a president in such an environment let alone a president of one of the most. Important countries in the world i think look at this more optimistic i think that this is. America going through some difficult period which theyre going to unique now dont say consumers this happened before and hopefully it will not going to happen again so sometime this organisms sick but then you know overcomes a sickness and then maybe. Next time i ever say well be ok for at least which is what im hoping. But i dont think this is now continues history a running conversation between 2 leaders will be mutually expose its just a temporary situation and i believe in America America is a great country and i think that if were able to overcome this tragic period you know we we have this saying in russia and in some other languages of it as well that offense is the bast defense do you think the democrats are acting offensively because perhaps they genuinely smell impropriety or criminality in trumps behavior or are they trying to defend one of their own and prevent the trumpet mistreating from even asking questions about the bidens added them conflict of interests. Again as they say they dont believe it wards is saying what happened that time selection was a shock truck and they still in the same state of shock despite all the failing over for murder and all those impeachment hearings are just circus. There not to overcome to. Shock takes time. I think it will continue until the next election in november 2022 and a lot will depend. On what American People will say. At this point if elections were today i think pretty sure the term for it when many things can happen during the year next year. This sickness will continue and the only hope for recovery will be off her november 2020 now while the democrats need a lot of things to defeat at the ballot box come 2021 of those thinks would be the support of the independent voters as well as of their own representatives in the congressional districts which voted for trump in 2016 but down supported the democrats in 2018 ave any indication so far how these very specific groups and very vital groups of voters are relating to the pietschmann proceedings do they see them as a worthwhile. Use of worth while allocation of time and energy you wrote 1st of all recall 2 democratic members of congress know. Even in the beginning they didnt vote for to proceed now always we cant run a congresswoman she said that maybe its better to stop because it hurts our party and even shift said that. Under question so im going to you know proceed was finishing this process he said i have to go back and talk to my constituency so theres some hesitation. But still the Party Apparatus probably would not let this stop they just had stockard throwing around the word train bashir will continue until full collapse but it shows a some hesitation and now were going to see the next round of the circus next week after tennis leaving for sitting school moved to. A committee of Research Center and. Expect the same thing since jordan nothing their magic can happen because already all information is on the table. Measuring interest and sam is a trump now welcomes that vote for impeachment becomes i think will move to the senate and then Republican Party to its majority will be able to. In the right to testify anyway they want including biden sure if. Anyone else well this is actually an interesting prospect because the republicans as you just sat promised that if the impeachment proceedings indeed moved to the senate theyre going to roll out the old we haveour tillery they would insist on the tacit monies from both biden the father and by the son how big of a risk do you think politically it could be for the Democratic Party because i assume bad beats this could ultimately end up playing very handsomely into Donald Trumps hands on the eve of the elections. Of course because. Of the democrats who just dont have the facts on some and im guessing that republicans do have moral right that some documents john saw a month from from the hill is doing the great work hes using free information act and he is producing the documents phone calls between biden and state department and theyre also those lawyers. For bruce my saw he has a huge shoe a pack of those documents and several be produced hes holding them from the. Ghosts hes waiting for for the for all right moment and then when people see the real facts i think it will be not 57 percent but maybe. 70 or 75 who will say that enough is enough we Want Congress to go back to war. I checked the recent radiance of congress its 18 percent approval only 18 percent of American People believe the congress is doing right or woodward and 80 percent disapprove so this shows that the American People are on the right start and as i said in the beginning its good and this is some sort of that you know eventually the truth will come out and america will recover and will be happy again. Well you do sound like president ial level a bit and i hope you dont mind me saying that sometimes you also look like he as well but for the times being mr let me ask you have to take advantage should break well be back in just a few moments states. Much of the power for constrain the system and then you have the records and what we have done is to try and identify something coming in the brain where the extension of the ripples corresponds to the depth of your consciousness. This is a story about what happens austria stray bullets kills a young girl in the streets. What happens to her family and daughters in florida the mother daughter is buried in a cemetery it really messes with your head what happens to the community the public was screaming for a scapegoat the Police Needed a scapegoat so why not choose a 19 year old black kid with a criminal record who better to pin this on than him and what happens in court be. Shocked shocked as far as i feel. We dont know still justice for the. End of this unfortunately you. Will still love no chill just. Welcome back to worlds apart without the president of the World Russia Forum ad the frequent commentator on the Us Russia Relations mr goes on in the American Media your sometimes credited with introducing the american Republican Partys conservative movement to russia do you think there is add a thing in common between the. American conservatives and the russian ones i mean if so what is a. Well its just historically what happened is that when. It came to power. I received unexpectedly invitation from his science advisor to come to moscow from his was pretty shocking because soviet press didnt like me at all and receiving the stations to come to moscow was pretty high i would say its not shocking but strange nevertheless you know i thought its with a year was my dream to go back home some time and my wife and i have a rant in the mets to a new generation and people around me and then the round yeltsin and most of the people who were talking about. The time they wanted to. Improve not on just improve relations was United States they wanted to be america l. I this is a very strong war ally because sometimes these partnerships Something Like that and i helped them to build ties for his american conservatives especially rick who unfortunately hes now on no passed on but best of but paul was very influential and paul helped to link. Russian. Prowest armed forces with to say oh by the way all russia was progressed from in one to one even that started with 99 to russia was progress to i think some people have paid a very shabby price for trying to establish a dialogue bits been these 2 groups that youre talking about boots in there who just recently spent 9 months in behind bars for essentially trying to you. Guys that dialogue for for a friend and former boss senator alexander torsion is now on did they use sanctions i wonder if you have faced any pressure if you. Afeared any legal action over the last couple of years as the russia gate was gathering steam for everything that you have tried to do is reach is to bring a russia the United States is not closer together to these better understanding of one another the only pressure i see some time as an intern unfortunately i dont see any pressure from the sort of yours and they know very well so are you im doing this since 89 this is the 1st time round i went back to moscow and i became like a messenger between russian. Political and Business Community education cultural and american so im doing this now for war oh its 30 years and saw him. They can blame me thats pushing who actually. Is asking me or you know paying me to do it they know this is my life this is what i do and theyre true to. You mentioned 2 hours of old russia for him its annual event on capitol hill and the song well i i dont want to there are be too optimistic and so can happen but so far fortunately i didnt have any pressure from from the a sort of hers but i walked off going to a bet awards on the rap but then the internet people can do anything they want and yet you know that other people have been called to testify for essentially doing what youre doing and i know that you have a very interesting life story youre a Nuclear Scientist your a dissident who fled the soviet union back in the ninetys and i know that both role know the reagan abduct time Vice President george h. W. Bush played a role in your own life how do you bring your family over i want you to actually dad legacy of those 2 former president s dads been shielding you from the after knocking on your door as it did on the door of many other people who were trying to do so essentially the same kind of worry that youre doing right now. Maybe you and maybe you mention to our own reagan and george w. Bush who indeed played a very Important Role but there are 2 more people at the temperance concert conservative republicans sent to dole and congressman jack kemp who actually became a member our family because when i was kicked out thrown the Service Union my wife was behind we had at some point decided to have a. No marriage american marriage ceremony because our russian soviet marriage was a newt so we had the ceremony on the capitol hill and. Bob dole and her camp are my best man in business in washington d. C. You can do marriage by proxy saw dole and jack kemp raise their hands and they testify they didnt know that tiana was a time in moscow really wants to marry me so maybe hes always for people who will want more of her some democrats over part of this Campaign Like to Ted Kennedy Center morning and so i had a great Bipartisan Group of people who more likely to im doing and so i dont know again i dont want to be too optimistic but so far its its ok so what do you talk to these people these days when your campaigning or advocating for a more progressive a pragmatic or even and the an adversarial relationship between the United States russia do you can they really support here in this advocacy i mean i think its tantamount to treason and the betrayal of the American Interest if you voice and all been support for a dialogue between these 2 countries i mean this is one of the charges against President Trump till this day the fact that hes hes saying that you know the Good Relationship between russia and the United States would be a good thing i mean daddys. As he being a puppet of the kremlin i cant believe that you havent encountered any difficulties again as i said i do on the web but i mentioned already that polls sometimes they say 57 some polls even close to 60 omerta and feel the same way they dont see that ukraine come all those businesses some democratic side to say and is vital to American Interests resume today my article is in the washington times. Explains that this is just the opposite it shows that huge portion of americans believe trumper and the belief. Me but maybe i dont want to compare myself with trump but then im trying to prove in my writings that good u. S. Russia relations are good for america. And its interesting that theyre now i mention president i always are closer to the right but now we have people who left like you know steve cohen who became like a leader sometimes we call him others are harder for. For modern times who believe the same thing and so he had no union then or emergence of right and left of people who believe that trump is right and hes saying that she thought we had steve going on the show several times but i have to say that i like you he has faced some very serious repercussions for the position that he has taken now speaking broadly about the u. S. Russian relationship i know that you believe that when the soviet union collapsed back in 1901 america have a hes toric up its you need to transform its top anomie into an ally a repeating what had happened previously with joe many ad japan but could that template really have. Works with russia because i think as weak as russia was back in the early ninetys it would never give up on the idea of its own army like japan and would never sees part of its sovereignty to the United States like west germany so was that ever a realistic scenario. No what were talking about its not russia becoming like a junior partner we were talking about equal partnership so as i sat. I was carrying a lot of messages from russian leadership and. Who have x. As their access to the white house he was delivering them to president bush. And there was a message that russia is ready to become american ally now in terms of course should be negotiated and agai