Cross talking some real news im joined by i guess robert bridge hes an r. T. Website writer also we have Dimitri Bobbitt shes a political analyst and editor at innocent me internet media project and in london we cross to Marcus Papadopoulos he is the editor of politics 1st magazine our gentleman crosstalk rules in effect that means you can jump in anytime you want and i always appreciate it lets go to marcus 1st in london lets talk about. The trump administrations agreement least tacitly to sanction the china over whats going on in hong kong when something i just dont really seem to understand i mean i and looking at hong kong i know that theres an enormous amount of inequality there that is the responsibility of the Hong Kong Government and its a one country 2 systems so why all the arrow at beijing and of course we. No the United States is cheering it on along with its western allies as an irritant to china go ahead marcus your thoughts well peter anyone curious oshea weve pikelets or for that can concludes that what is happening in hong kong or indeed what has been happening since the summer is concerts it is well planned and is exceedingly well executed and it is only possible through the sort of cold or special services that we have to ask which special services in the world of holland it will work or you merely need to do is look at the some cool protests in hong kong and it might get you they are no longer protests as they are militants look at the flats they are waving they are waving american and british so lets look at the absolute they are singing they are seeing in the american and british out from look at the support the Political Support they are now out of the city even throng america this week we had donald trump signed in seoul all. Package which condemns china and risks american tariffs because of the summer cold and refreshing in hong kong so it is my opinions that american and British Services are tense in to the stabilise destabilise no right yes no it hong kong is a big revenue and for beijing well i hope so but mostly you know what they want to go but what is happening here is that they are hurting themselves hong kong and in the process here deem one of the interesting things is that if you look at the media you know its all about democracy or yes but why are they waving a British Colonial flag there was no democracy in heart in hong kong under British Colonial rule what are they talking about or is i just a talking point. Obviously this was the right kind of colonialism it was British Colonialism it was not russian colonialism or Spanish Colonial but i just love this you know in their. Drawing though you know 1st they describe their Peaceful Protesters who were just staying in for their freedom so then just the next paragraph or the police collected congress or more of cocked holdout baskets of premature weapons including sleeve insurance balls with their office and cleaned the wreckage with hundreds of people that you know so you know the western media controls are the Peaceful Protesters or do they have contracts of more difficult its the same story as with tea you know the western media wants to have it both ways they want to intimidate the government doing to me did the population and at the same time to have this image of purely peaceful protest is one of the interesting scene robert and i think it is fascinating again looking at the through the media prism you would. You would get the impression that hong kong and china are 2 different places you would get the impression that hong kong is not part of china and that its a narrative a media narrative is being pushed this is an internal affair other china well if you look if you look at the at the end china legislation the trumpets pushing through its very its very ironic to me that one of them is that it bans the export of nonlethal munitions ok so were talking about tear gas. Tasers pepper spray ok so its interesting to me that these are the exact type of weapons that the western governments regularly use against their own people i mean notably in paris for example in paris france whats happening there we had a result of those protesters i mean people having their eyes shot out with rubber bullets ok so yeah when the west in the west does Something Like this this is fantastic its the protection of democracy but when china does it here we have you know Grave Human Rights Violations but i just love that you know that off President Trump when these bill i signed this bill out of respect for the president see china that people can call well you know hypocrisy is interesting because its so. Im not really sure its even hypocrisy and i think its going to look really good but you know but marcus i mean this is clearly an attempt to create a hostile relationship with beijing i mean this is something i was the it was a unanimous decision in congress here i mean again this is using sanctions as a political weapon and and its baiting beijing to do something they want something to happen so far nothing has other than some rhetoric coming out of beijing whats the gambit here go ahead mark. Well its not just hong kong that is on the radar also the americans and the british there is another region its all china that in my opinion media truly constitutes an achilles heel of china and that is the western most region of china its a largely speak in muslim and how its region cool. Campaigns that this is a region but i have been talking with russian officials and chinese officials for about 5 years now and its my conclusion that jim shank not at the moment thats henschel it could become what chechnya was to russia in the night of the ninetys and early 2000 and believed in wounds because were starting to read now in american major and in british major these completely malicious and outrageous and unfounded allegations that the chinese authorities assess our concentration camps in june shant know what the situation is in ships is that it is a hope its true islam its under mentalism and the Chinese Military and the Chinese Police are cracking down as they should be but of course we know that the americans in the siege accumulation this is something we have seen before this is another playbook here theres a go ahead jim im going to jump in well its amazing that the western press itself report that several years ago or that the socalled Islamic State was actually active printing jack and another more than we know that people from that region are and were in syria would be the same story with burma you know when it happened when there were problems with them or the minority that but its very interesting you know this i go with liberalism for many its about all been border you know supporting internationalist spirit kind of but where they fight there any minute and these are usually begun just such as russia china. Immediately if they pick the enemy its you know their neighbor or the mine or it gets inside this congress and the west supports what kind of crude National Going to say action of yugoslavia which is actually knows a lot about the idea of a croatian fascists against serps ukrainian polish nationalists against russia now more than fundamentalist against china so its one of them mazing traits and latent features of these new to it that if theyre not going to liberate it using into all others in the name of human right back thats the coverage had on hand and internationally its been in the name or walk. I think you pretty much covered them above one thing i think that needs to be added is that while the west while the United States and nato through many decades of the regime change operations you know we are investing our money in what war ok what was trying to investing in to do so the new silk road to the west is involved in best thing in war for outcomes and it cannot control markets reflect upon that because ive said on this program 10 years now is it when does the regime change operation actually bring positive results and always ands and disaster misery and destruction go ahead marcus yes it does and the latest example of facts is in ukraine where the average ukrainian honest and is now suffering in. Place places 6000 saying well. Its a waste and death and destruction it always benefits American Global and germany and this regime change history by wilsons and its not going to end the libya is the most recent example that i can cite who might want to marcos us arent you nice very very often agree with each other and i would i would meet you halfway on that. It had germany is extended for a time period but it is a very unstable he germany dimma jump in well you are absolutely right that this is germany that benefits because the United States as a country was financially because of what happened in ukraine the ukrainian market shrank relations with russia soured there were mutual sanctions between the United States the u. And russia so basically the western globalists their rig to move their taxpayers money in huge amounts all need to have the little you have to measure money do you think they do and they make properties with the owner and their entrepreneurial smile and you also well with hong kong what is interesting is that the market did not react to this so called hong kong. Freedom and democracy act they almost didnt but i threw a really refused to even use the term ok so where will you keep finishing. The markets did not react but the point is that the States Government now will have to make a report every year how autonomous hong kong is so this is bad for business because its not of their business how much when it was from corn is now its it became a part of china basically there is a transition period there is free press and can quote there are many anti chaneys newspapers coming out of South China Morning Post you know Hong Kong Free press there in english there are available bill there were elections recently so its not of the business of the United States all of the you can to check how democratic well. Fortunately world the world works differently when we go to a break here after a short break well continue our discussion on some real news stay with her thing. Good hopes as. He put themselves on the line they get accepted or rejected. So when you want to be president and you. Want to. 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Close one on each others cosimo each other is good because the state of california alone makes 6000000000. 00 a year of the prison complexes you get some 20 a life where. You dont care anymore nobody cares about you so you dont care might anything. Welcome back across the uk where all Things Considered im Peter Lavelle to remind you were discussing some real names. Ok lets go back to marcus in london we have an upcoming nato summit its been truncated for to 2 days i guess they want to avoid any fireworks they wanted to have a perfectly scripted summit is they usually do but it seems to me that there are different. Trajectories in play for the possible future of nato now one thing is for sure nato needs to exist it exists to exist that is its primary objective and to do that it needs to expand but mccrone the part of french president came out and said that nato was brain dead which of course i very rarely agree with the french president but i agree with him on this point and i tend to agree that thats Donald Trumps gut feeling too but thats a topic for another program marcus brain dead nato go ahead well you know i would want to say nothing more than. This decadence this terrorist this wretched criminal organization cools coos abject time and suffering for over 20 years now but whilst i believe that nato has overstretched itself i have an expanded since reese and your i havent expanded into the old 6 states i do not see its imminent demise in date i dont see its demise as so i believe that if you just look at a map of europe the fact that ukraine as each day goes on. Instigating more and more with the west make that nato is even more important to get struck forget Boris Johnson thats to get maps wrong the real people in power in america britain and france are the ones you dont see and their commitments and later cannot be challenged it cannot be broken we spoke recently about the amounts of money the american support in secret since the coup in 2014 and yes you know that money has gone on ukrainian corruption but the americans get something in that so they are increasing their presence and with it nato is present in ukraine the americans and not just axes in all ukrainian lands they are active now at ukrainian poles they are challenging russia in the black sea and the ultimate price for nato is ukraines accession to notes and ok that is what he will say but it is possible its so if it is possible the member but i tend to think if you look at what. Was coming in was coming out of berlin it was coming out of paris i think there are some different ideas being thought of here i mean mccrone it seems to me wants to recreate some kind of napoleonic empire ok or is someone on cross told means must week as it once theyre essentially sell the French Military to the germans ok but at least a capital b. In paris but the brain dead in statement is important here because it does show a different vision here well im not really sure if its going to work i know that there mccrum wants to be another de gaulle which theres only one to go and only i will be only one to go on the air but i mean even the there are the ports isnt in washington the you know the the this is the blanik Alliance World but there are some new things happening right here because there are tensions you know the most interesting. And about this statement from mark rowan about the brain death of nato was the reaction to it how in total agreement need to lead us are you know chancellor merkel of germany you said you want your destructive policy and there have to glue together they will look at what she did in ukraine ok so why is she an authority on anything absolutely well the polish Prime Minister there was more advanced also scolded micron you know saying that he statement was irresponsible i mean look how intolerant these people are and they accuse. Everyone was angry because mark wrong invited the leaders of kurdish groups you know to paris he was also angry because Lindsey Graham in the United States is facilitating their visa for someone whose real name is up destroyed here but who is called general called bani by by the u. S. Well i mean how would you react if someone who is can see that a terrorist in your country is welcome to you but by the president do you bring up these inconvenient you know what my point is here is that the media is projecting this seamless unanimous. Blah blah blah you know but you get this in in a few seconds you get you gave us some real differences here there is a fish between turkey and the rest of nature there is a fish to be in france and germany and east European Countries or the other side but what is most important i agree with mark was you know what he said in the beginning that nato has caused more wars recently than it prevent it i mean the wars in ukraine in georgia ask and the real Foreign Policy expert he will tell you the real reason the real reason was the decision to expand you know war georgia and ukraine were promised nato membership in 2000 in mediately was started in these countries why because this is unacceptable for russia. And because of these countries leaders felt kind of. Russia you know robert lets be fair here and maybe marcus will disagree with me during the cold war i and i understand the need for existence of nato during the cold war the warsaw pact dissolved nato should have dissolved is absolutely you know very knowledgeable about all of this here but if you look at you know george in ukraine i mean i think most americans dont understand people in the western world dont understand that the west has no treaty obligations to ukraine whatsoever but as marcus told us a few minutes ago you would know that from the media and from the the clueless bureaucrats that went in front of chairmanships committee for him only material kind of the old what are we doing patrick and st in my mind you know but you know it gets down to it no matter how you want to spin it its mission to exist is an anti russian expression institutionally you know absolutely and i would i would probably argue that its less the nato is socalled brain dead as it is purposeless dead i mean purpose dead there just doesnt seem to be any coherent activity on their part action aside from what youre saying peter is just moving closer and closer and closer to the russian border and probably and probably mostly in provoking the situation provoking you have this is the 1st