Show are israel and the usa rogue states when it comes to International War we are lots of israels former mother in washington. And a new film the gaza fights for freedom documents israeli mass killings by bullets and poison gas we talked to the films director files that all of them all going to have a days going on the ground 1st which countries have privileged trading relationships with the European Union cited as a key issue in britains general Election Campaign well heres one country famous for repeated violations of International Law and one that has been bombing damascus and reportedly killing civilians in syria this week easier as a privilege changing relationship with a European Union based on the e. U. Association agreement establishing that product originating in israel within its internationally recognized borders benefit from pressure and show tariff treatment upon their entry into the European Union yes special even trade treatment for violators of International Law so israels detractors. Might have it but there was more this month from the European Court of justice and you has a long standing and well known position that it will not recognize any changes to pre 967. 00 east or any borders other than those agreed by the parties to the Israeli Palestinian conflict you considers settlements in occupied territory sillitoe and International Law illegal under International Law but not suitable for any e. U. Armed action to enforce international or in israel so instead the e. U. Has decided to require labeling of fruit from illegally occupied Palestinian Land while at the same time rejecting calls for south africa apartheid style boycott you does not support any form of our sanctions against israel and the e. U. Rejects attempts by the campaigns of the sole Court BoycottDivestment Sanctions Movement to isolate israel so that still an ode to what legendary roxy music and david bowie musician brian ino told us some 5 years ago about b. D. S. And a lot of artists have said to me oh ive been asked to play in israel what do you think i should do and a lot of them are refusing i think of course you dont hear very much about it because israelis arent going to tell you about it and the artists obviously dont want to get a huge amount of criticism directed at them for making such a decision but while artists like glover del ray lord annie lennox color santana roger waters and brian ino support the b. D. S. Boycott of israel that the e. U. Is opposed to the usa is not only supporting israels illegal actions against International Law its juggling down on it weve now declared the settlements are not per se illegal under International Law because for the 1st time in 40 years the usa now explicitly instead of implicitly supporting the violation of International Law when it comes to palestine the palestinians call it a war crime but joining me now from tel aviv is israeli diplomat danny ion former israeli ambassador to the United States thanks so much ambassador for. Coming on the show were having a general election here in britain at the moment where under book us restrictions just one did what you thought about the policy positions jeremy call been saying he will ban weapons sales to israel the tories disagree there will democrats and appear to disagree and the s. And p. Appears to agree with corby. I think its unfortunate i think its maybe. Understanding because anything that can keep stability in their region if anything it is. Terence power and without our presence here and im afraid that there would be everybody fighting everybody else on this very very small piece of land of ours because its not just in britain though Bernie Sanders the democrat president ial candidate for 2020 saying that military aid to israel should be conditional and that some of that military aid should actually be spent on humanitarian aid for palestinians in gaza what we have seen for the last well i dont want to go too far but lets say since since the all slow agreement this is 9093 so were talking 26 years ago most of the pressure was directed. At israel if we really want to see a fair deal then we should come into the negotiating table without any preconditions and the compromises should come from all sides not just from israel that why are you talking about the all those lou agreement as you might bump a 0 the us secretary of state has said that hell recognize the israeli illegal settlements even quoting Ronald Reagan even though of course Ronald Reagan said these illegal colonial settlements are ill advised and represent an obstacle to peace there is no all agreement at all now well the oslo actually did not deal at all with the settlements i think it should be discussed and i think all the agreement so far. Should be discussed between the 2 parties and it is true that. Has not. Actually come up with this idea. Originally basically very consistent with the letter of george w. Bush 2004 april 2004 when he wrote a letter to then Prime Minister ariel sharon saying that 2 realities on the ground. Actually recognition of what we call here the major blocs well as i said 1st could you draw an old reagan of course the oslo accords were in the context of u. N. Security Council Resolution 446 about settlements surely even the u. S. Peace negotiator militant indyk is called the trump decision a group should just move at the very moment israel has a new government and you expecting violent retaliate from your enemies because of what they say is Israeli Colonial atrocities i dont think so i dont think so because at the end of the day i think they all realize that. Nothing is done and nothing is settled until the reason a negotiated settlement is the same goes for jerusalem and you know that. Trump present trump recognize the sovereignty of israel over jerusalem although he was very very careful not to delineate any any demarcation. Which leaves also the question open. For the palestinians had i been a palestinian i would have taken this declaration of trump with open arms because they can and it can be interpreted as the eastern side is still for negotiation. If you are not expecting violent retaliation for this u. S. Violation of International Law why is the United States itself from state department saying all americans right across the region should prepare for possible attacks on u. S. Government Facilities Private interests and citizens im not sure whether that means on the same scale as an israeli killing in gaza or recent years the americans certainly believe there will be violent retaliation well maybe they are privy to some information that i am not to maybe some intelligence in from ation we have to remember the context also of the wider context in the middle east is that not just americans but most. Lets say western interests and not just western interests also with sunni interest i would say are under threat from shiite militias that are supported by iran or by the iranians. Forest so that could be maybe the greatest context that iran hasnt been bombing israel or the bus a few days israel has been bombing syria and of course has been bombing gaza. What proof do you have of any iranian. Before the bombing that was announced by israel there were 4 rockets that where actually shot a at israel and luckily they were all intercepted by our ballistic. Missile defense but iran is very very aggressive and they work through proxies they work through the hizbullah in lebanon and they work through. Shiite militias in syria and they have become ever more aggressive by actually using in. Using actually their own forces the oaklands force and they have helped. Take over his country after this. Civil war that took place there with severe severe casualties you know youre talking about more than 600000 deaths and theyre trying to dig in open basically a 2nd front against israel and we certainly will not allow that if you look from a larger perspective you see that iran is trying to surround israel from all sides and we take seriously the. Announcements and declarations of the leaders of iran that they want to erase israel from the map iran denies that syria denies that but there are pictures of president yahoo treating people in syria in the Golan Heights associated with isis diagonal qaeda you just mentioned 600000 figure of 600000 when it came to the Syrian Civil War did your Government Support isis dietician al qaeda in syria does it ever support those groups no no way if you look at the charter or the beliefs of the and i says they think we are at the top of the list to be exterminated and. We know what terrorism is unfortunately we have suffered more than anyone else from because by law terror group and hamas terror groups all of which are by the way recognized by the International Community you deny the Israeli Government had a part in funding hamas is creation when it had a charter that was against the existence of israel of course like iran it recognizes 2 state solution no there was and i i i would say israel did that it is true that you know when the hamas tried and started in 987. 00 the start of hamas was and this was the papers that were submitted as a Charity Organization unfortunately they. It turned into. Charity for a terrorist and killing innocent people but if i go back there is a photograph of. Visiting a hospital is ready hospital in the north which just for humanitarian bases received wounded from syria they were not isis or anything like that but about to talk to the journalist in director abby martin about their documentary film on gaza jews does israel continue to plan do you think to kill civilians of the great march of returned thousands dead or injured children is the accusation made in the film of course this in the context obviously of 10000000 Palestinian Refugees now under Un Security Council 194 resolution who have the right to richard again this is a selfdefense when you come to marches into the to the border of israel unfortunately these are not innocent people that truly they were selected and sent by hamas sometimes under the gun threats and we know that among them among them where and are embedded sharpshooters and other terrorists who would like to infiltrate ok will the protesters let alone the United Nations itself completely contradicts everything you just said ive just got to ask you though since theres a lot of debate here about the Nuclear Deterrent and i know you think that iran despite his continued denunciation of Nuclear Weapons is trying to get one how many Nuclear Weapons does israel have you know that israel has a law on historical position that we will not be the 1st to introduce Nuclear Weapons to the middle east and. Continue. To hold but i dont think that you can compare israel to iran or to any other country certainly not well. Israel has not threatened anybody. And is not planning to destroy any any nation but when the iranians are plenty and are saying its you dont have to take it from me just gave it away they are plenty to destroy the jewish state but why did you allow Mordechai Vanunu the Nuclear Whistleblower kidnapped in Leicester Square in Central London just speak to the media about israels alleged Nuclear Weapons program well he had a contract he signed like you know any. Civil servants all over whether its in the u. K. Or israel or anywhere else you have you go into a classified position and you are sworn in not to just disclose it if you disclose it you violate the law so. Any other democratic country we uphold the law and certainly we want to keep our interest and classified information away from the public like any other normal country ambassador thank you thank you after the break. Journalist and director abby martin on her debut feature film gaza fights for freedom and its evisceration of israels alleged crimes against humanity all this and more coming up about to go on the ground. So what weve got to do is identify the threats that we have its crazy in front cation let it be an arms race is on there in Dramatic Development only im going to resist i dont see how that strategy will be successful very critical time to sit down and talk. Welcome back well in the 1st off we heard from a former israeli ambassador to the United States now we go to los angeles to talk to world famous journalist and director at the margin his debut feature gaza fights for freedom is out now a warning that the join this interview some viewers may find the images disturbing abbi thanks so much for finally coming on going underground even if its a bit of a grim moment in history that us your reaction to netanyahu facing trial for bribery and fraud well look i think this indictment will have absolutely no impact whatsoever on Israeli Society and we have to remember that netanyahu can still win the election with an indictment looming and of course we cant forget that hes not going indicted for war crimes right i mean he every time the indictment was limine he just kind of carpet bombs gaza and hopes that that will garner him more support but thats what he really should be indicted for and again i think the most important thing to remember is this will have absolutely no impact on palestinians any gats his counterpart what were told is the centrist a left candidate. Former i. D. F. Commander who also had shared on the declaration to annex the west bank that netanyahu agreed upon and also the u. S. Is recent decision to codify real settlements well you mentioned gaza there has been continuing violence a whole the injustices. You and yoko director on the film the world famous antiwar army veteran have covered why choose gaza for your 1st debut feature length documentary and of course this is one of the largest humanitarian crises in the world 2200000 People Living in an open air prison half are children so this is a relentless scene against cairns and of course my government is providing economic political cover for this ongoing crisis where and 2028 in the u. N. Says there will be no water so it really is a dire situation and of course the great march of return which started march 30th 2800 was unlike anything that weve ever seen before in gaza 6 weeks later on may 14th. And one of the most egregious massacres of unarmed peoples in modern history israeli snipers killed 60 people on this day and. 7 children but can that be taken seriously 2000000 people live there the u. N. Saying uninhabitable by next year in part by u. K. Back israeli warplanes so they couldnt even be in a film next year right i mean its absolutely horrifying action we are running out of time the nutrition value is blocked and the fact that theyre denied basic mobility and of course electricity electricity i mean 2 to 3 hours of electricity a day and that really provided severe limitations for even transferring is that it really gave us a really stark insight on what life is really like how you know you cant. You cant water the rooms i know you outlined the israeli position we just spoke to former Israeli Foreign minister danny aiello an aide told me Israeli Forces act in selfdefense against civilians fullest to march by hamas on the great return a much as you cover in the film very much and indeed there are embedded sharpshooters amidst the protests as your reaction. I mean i had a lot of the. And i looked at about 12 hours of protests footage there wasnt one militant there wasnt one weapon and you can just look at the un report which is incontrovertibly proves extensive documentation of israeli war crimes were talking about over 200. 00 people that were gunned down with israeli snipers these snipers are perched up on a hilltop with a wide view of the demonstrations and they literally just pick people off like its target practice scores of civilians but not only that actual protected categories in the geneva conventions children disabled people d medics the vast majority the people who were shot and gunned down standing there wrapped in a palestinian flag stand internet and chanting National Slogans standing there showing the protests or simply standing there doing nothing at all this is all documented in the u. N. Report again completely incontrovertibly all but of course they will always use this morally bankrupt argument that theyre all human shields and all willing agents for hamas it is absolutely disgusting to take away these Peoples Agency you can just look at the great march organizers themselves i mean these are unassociated with any Political Party theyre activists theyre artists theyre journalists and they clearly stated that their goal was nonviolent civil disobedience akin to occupy wall street to garner attention from the International Community and now crush or to draw attention to th