Led. Directly. What is truth lost his faith. In a world corrupted you need to descend. To join us in the depths. Aura made in the shallows. Hello and welcome to crossfire where all things are considered im Peter Lavelle in munich and World Leaders discuss west listeners instead they should be contemplating the end of neo liberalism also stone cold justice is there a dual Justice System in america. Cross talking some real news im joined by my guest here in moscow glenn these and he is a professor at the Higher School of economics as well as author of the decay of western civilization and resurgence of brusha we also have Dmitri Bobbitt she is a political analyst and editor at interest me internet media project and in athens were joined by alex reporter hes the director and writer for the duran dot com or across the uk rules in effect that means you can jump in there when you want and i always appreciate it lets talk about munich the the end you will security conference there every year something very interesting comes out western media doesnt really cover it very much and if they do they dont do it very well. A term i came across would never come across as west ness what does that mean being a european. Listen this is referring to the minister all of the west so it comes from 2 reasons one is within the west its fragmenting and becoming more divided and of course then you have the external challenge just by a new powers rising taking away the primacy of the west so again this is. This is what i mean is it is we looking at a binary of values in power i think its i think its both because when the west exit of the cold war it will also immensely powerful the main reason is not just material wealth but also how that moral purpose. It had a mission you know liberalism had one they were going to spread this around the world essentially. Thing is to remake the world around the west so that again this is also what us define the west which is why its now youre running into some problems because if this is not the mission of the west or what is the west coast we see now the material wealth is going but also decide of you know taking liberalism to the extreme is now proving to have a very bad effects both internally within the west but also creating very bad relations with external powers and they dont seem to connect that these 2 are very much related. And where that where the causes are limited our guest here in athens i mean one of the things i find quite fascinating in running up to this security conference in munich is that in this term west listeners its should be a criticism of neo liberalism thats whats destroying the west and thats what is threatening the world i mean the lack of reflection on the part of these people its just a step out of me they are the problem and once theyre fixed then then europe can actually find its own footing its own identity instead of having it forced down its throat this her rip it ideology that people are protesting left and right and Center Briggs that is the best example go ahead. You know their problem is russia is in a peter rabbit. Restless and this is yeah in china now as well but west listen this is what the west is doing to itself youre exactly right i mean west listeners its this neo liberal policy that weve all been living under its the Mass Immigration its the destruction of religion that structure of family the censorship the woken the identity politics this is all coming from the neo liberal west west listening is the neo liberal west destroying itself but like you said peter its russias fault its chinas fault everyone elses fault thats whats this this is what theyre doing to themselves theyre theyre destroying their own society that they have built and theyre doing it in an incredible unbelievable fashion you know what i find really and standing you know alice cooper used the word woke and woke me is here but you know theres no risk reflection on the part of these elites and say much of the world would like to have traditional western values in their own lives and mostly ok they strive for it and the west is actually committing. A form of political and cultural suicide i think its the rest of the world envied what would be traditional European Values explain it 7 doing it on a personal level i mean who is concerned the war without the west german president you know. Well let me remind you of that day it was mr who was supposed to guarantee they greenman to between the ukrainian opposition and president on that point if february 2014 and that position just when they had an old kid in policeman burning their. Body. In ukraine and we started my didnt say why. Worked people from their position basically breaching this agreement and then in 2 years mr porter goss said we just lost these documents that mr bush started my government you to come find it then you were in my in my office so and this man is now a paid enough so that you asked china and russia make it was more dangerous and he is saying that we just called it germany is prepared to become more involved including militarily when they read it my 1st reaction was in goma 9 donc it north militarily please you know you already bought in of all military units yugoslavia for the 1st time since 945 german soldiers were on the foreign oil in yugoslavia in 1999 you were gold involved in afghanistan militarily stalled do if you know what we need is the last of you would not war over you if i had a question but you know you really want to jump in so im going to go i dont. Want to go just walk us because thats an important aspect because the problem now under this new law a new liberal policy is the reason its destroying the west its also alecs of the mcwhirter others because neither the political left or the right can do what they what their actual political objectives are on the left or want to redistribute wealth on the right they want to preserve traditional values and reproduce community however what people now notice after 30 years theyre starting to realise well why do we have this growing economic inequality also why all this Mass Immigration we cant reproduce traditional communities why do we have to have multiculturalism why come to unite under Common National culture but now theyre noticing if you wont like how did this political system coming place who authorized it and now that theyre trying to complain theyre actually told well how dare you if youre challenging our core liberal values on who are you to complain youre youre a man but youre whose values are these are values the leats that never suffered the consequences of their policies you know that that thats what it noised me so much if you go back to alex here alex you know one of the things that i really you know they do. Of the populace and all this you know these people are dissenting and that is a right to dissent ok that is a western ideal value and i dissent all of the time but if you dissent in europe then somehow youre a deviation is youre youre youre creating problems youre youre breaking within our norms ok no the norms were decided by somebody else not by the people go ahead alex yeah i mean the real title of this conference peter should be an attack on the nation state an attack on sovereignty its an attack on nationalism we saw it took gregs it took the u. K. And breaks it 3 years to finally get out were seeing now that theyre about to put salvini in prison in italy to stop him from gaining power and winning in a democratic fashion this is what this caucus is all about they dont know what people to feel like theyre a part of their country of their nation and so were going to do is begin to poll lula on him right you know come up and there is and the funny part about all of this we all saw the Scandinavian Airlines commercial did we not that is a perfect example of how they feel about themselves that commercial that hit you tube and hit the airwaves and was criticized by everybody in scandinavia because they felt absolutely disgusted at the fact that the National Carrier the National Carrier was not proud of their own people their own culture their own heritage that is what is going on here thats what this concept is about is about destroying europe its about destroying what the west was all these decades you know glenn you know any great civilization collapse when it loses faith in itself in this is essentially whats happening here its as if you know you know theyre their ideology is failing that means the people must be wrong and the people must be educated in reeducated until they accept these values until theyre grafted on and thats not going to happen thats why we have dissent in europe. And thats why this liberal. Internationalist movement very much they are undemocratic liberals that is they push to liberalism but doesnt have the liberal liberals. The liberals the people opposing them the populists there are rather democratic. Liberal democrats so there are looking to challenges but its but its also interesting that this destruction of the state which is a nation as well which is why you dont see russia buying this either because theyre already been through this to have the marxist the marxist do the same to say the nation state is nonsense or National Culture is nonsense the religion is nonsense lets just you know transmission of this and create this wonderful communist man or a man who is elevate the beyond his past beyond Community Based on anything else but the values that human rights are some and you know it turned out they didnt work here was a horrible thing and now theyre trying to recreate the community. To see especially doing the same after theyve fractured it so much ok they want to see if they can put it back together again no i dont give these people a 2nd chance fema go ahead you know i agree with the glare on that these are your g. s basically that it terry and there are many things that make it. Also true there that if there are a nationalist i did argue it would just let me remind you of some of the wars that these people you know that they quote pariah state failed state you know not normal state and what do we here at this conference from the french president to be you to europe or to moral cannot be controlled by the United States all of our structure infrastructure all ports can all be old by the chinese and all Computer Networks can all be under russian pressure and of course what is it if nor do you know for just you were. Going to do you cant how big you cant be xena vocal big and then pursued globalist policy. Make them be reminded again go to one with these people you can because what they do is police know it yes they shout at the socalled populists at socalled nationalists you know when these people say you know we want basically our culture preserved but these people are very pretentious for russia china any big country that can rival they are globalist project you know potentially can rival it and the gist of this conference was how bad these populists are and theyre just ready to come out and say were sort of. Look at the article on our website the existential angst over west us knows by hadnt been used here but she says that was produced by just have rising up in the aftermarket of the mess made by the liberal international or that good thats exactly ok were going to go to a short break and for that short break well continue our discussion its a real new state with 30. I 1st heard about we can expect. From. The cops a fortune in iraq. I think that our clinical. In the u. S. Military who have never forgiven for this guy is a traitor treasonous and he broke every law United States illegally shoot some of us really historic to have. Independent journalist a guy with his you dared to say here is what crimes and to a global audience. The idea of developing an anonymous digital truck and applying it to a Media Organization is because. That was the 1st. I didnt control interest i had 15 would be for a short while time and room one of the worlds most powerful News Organization curious and eccentric founder julian assange. And there was a great deal of jealousy in the mainstream towards him particularly why wont he be more like off steam. In feces on the walls. Smile. When. We have julia aside in solitary confinement to some foreign terrorist away team thats a live person. I dont see him dying me i pressed him. And i think thats what hes facing. Were still in an era of resource colonialism again this is a big risk and the one big thing that could really inhibit the kind of electric vehicle revolution that a lot of us want to see is if we cant resource the battery components in a sustainable ethical way then its not going to be a successful revolution. Welcome back to crossfire where all things are considered im Peter Lavelle to month were discussing some real news. Ok lets go back to alex and thins well lets talk about the dual dual Justice System in America Roger stone could die in jail im pretty sure hes going to get pardoned but andy mccabe will continue with his high paying job at c. N. N. And they have something in common alex theyre both were charged or it was proven that both of them lied but one lives the good life ones going to rot in prison do it justice. Yeah this was you know this was no coincidence that the mccabe news was announced right after the roger stone thing went down i think that its all out war in the Justice Department peter theres no doubt about it and i think actually now going after bar we were talking about the democrats saying that they now want bar impeached getting rid of barr once again stops the russia gate investigation stops his durban best occasion into investigating the investigators we know that durham is widening the net and hes closing in hes brand in hes komi its really ramping up the durham investigation and i think there is real panic in d. C. These real panic on the democrat side real panic from the state and so i think this whole mccabe thing this whole stone thing is a way to get at bar and try to get it out of it thats all you know its really interesting is that you know they want there it looks like they want to impeach barr i mean these the left isnt very nuanced anymore apparently you know when you see it when youre really worried when you panic impeach ok. This is got going this is gone down i mean you can find fewer probably the one of the best issues that shows the difference in the media culture in the United States about roger stone i know a lot about roger stone and i think alex would agree with me hes a political prankster hes an operator hes a braggart i mean he thinks a lot of roger stone all of us that have watched politics over the years from the conservatives i know all about roger stone all right and hes not a danger to society nor to himself all right but hes been turned into a poster child they need they need to put him in jail because that will vindicate the russia gate hoax thats why they wanted to go ahead and i think this is a one of the big dangerous now not a stance polarizing which is in the ones interest now that its the right. Drifted so far apart you see this spilling over into the Judicial Branch as well so yes we see many cases of this before if we come back to the covenant hearings for example that was. Disgraceful in terms of how politics is now and this coming from both sides. But probably more in the hole from the left because they also see because it was a sentence for lying but if you looked on the if you look at people in john brennan and you had. All of this were caught lying testimony and what happened what they know they now have high paying jobs. Sitting on different leftwing t. V. Channels and not just from c. N. N. To m. S. N. Mysie so it is it seems slightly selective that they would only go after roger stone and of course this trial was also a bit absurd i mean thats a bar point out there the head of the jury foreman your force or a foreman there she was fiercely. Hated roger stone he was even. Very open about it so. You know usually that would lead to a mistrial or something but its the best point you brought up to really like this. Quoted here is that. When you have the Justice Department so overtly politicized youre in youre in a bad place youre live very place here in whats more so is that you have half the country enraged by this and when you have the liberal news outlets praising the mccabes in villainize thing the roger stones of the world that youre playing with dynamite well its not the only example i mean look at these socalled whistle wars this is not a good mother good point absolutely there is this alexander we didnt need anyone expect him to have a new trial but we dont know when he came out with this statement that you know papers were a lie. In the eyes in prison he was a hero and his family was put on the protection of over military ways. Compare it to what happened to julian a songe compare it to what happened to it with snowden and its not only internationally seen manning is. Still absolutely its still its still its not only the United States. Peter problems you know this is a guy who knew what his. Stool the red square was lionized by the western media when he acted in russia no 1st he was put in jail when he is set on fire fronts you can set on fire there for us in moscow but dont do it to the bengal frogs no he was put in jail for the 2nd time because he exposed skin did it for that matter paris and how did they do it suddenly all the french newspapers remembered that he was challenged by putin for doing something bad to an actress in russia 2 years ago they said it was a whole you know it was slanderous you know which it was just trying to put probably in ski in jail now with i remember it because of the need to put a human shield in you that pretext basically they followed on pretext that there was a brawl bald more than a month ago will suddenly they remember that and they this was used as an excuse for arresting him but they will be arrested him off the Prime Minister of france and off to the ministry of interior said that these socalled artist was bat. Pardon is in the cards i think for sure ok i dont know about manner for i think that for roger stone its quite appropriate in his g