Im not sure that they were going underground as the u. K. E. U. Trade talks begin today to determine a post brics it future while they do nation media continues to look away from the case of arbitrarily detained julia songe which may determine the end of free speech in britain coming up on the show deputy leader of the left party in the german bundestag 7 document calls on labor leadership candidate gets accused of persecution of Julian Assange to see for himself in court what the u. N. Calls torture and arbitrary detention of the founder of wiki leaks plus forget the coronavirus will breaks it all doubts on multinational Chemical Companies catalyze mass insect extinction all this more coming up in todays going underground but 1st what was it actually like to sit in a london Court Last Week watching an alleged travesty of justice as arbitrarily detained and tortured wiki leaks founder Julian Assange fought for his freedom one International Observer was the deputy leader of the left party in the german bundestag 7 dag dylan who along with 32 other m. P. s from 12 different e. U. Countries witnessed arguably the most important trial of the century so far thanks so much for coming to our studio in london rather than in berlin even before the trial doctors were saying he may die at any moment what was it like in court. Terrible in many ways its just you know im really appalled about the situation and the conditions even for us International Observers i have seen so many trials worldwide and im really outrageous about the conditions for us International Observers in the Public Gallery for observers they are just 24 seats 6 for the family members and 18 for. International observers and we always have to queue there and wait for about 2 hours just to make sure that we can really go and follow the case in the court room and not in a media and next room where you cannot listen we cannot hear something from the courtroom and in our other way its terrible too because to see how the conditions are which julian is facing i mean he is a really gentle human journalist who havent had to done a crime and hes treated like a top terrorist behind behind a bulletproof glasses. In the back of the court of the court which is just because of him and he cannot follow the court and he cannot hear the court even just hardly he can hear and listen whats going on and i think these conditions are not adequate for a state which is saying the rule of law is totally accepted well he did commit a crime a minor bail violation and the person who is about to perhaps lead the new labor party after Jeremy Corbin said he has absolute trust and faith he took time out in this Court Process that you were at well i thought i would. Invite him to be in the court with us with part of interior from Different Countries of the European Union its not just me as a german member of the parliament with some other germans we are from ireland we are from italy well from spain we are from puerto girl from france and some other countries i would really be happy to have british colleagues from the British Parliament here i was wonder. Where are they because its so such a case where do you have International Attention and interest and its not just us parliamentarians who are observing this case its the. Parliamentary assembly of the council of europe the Human Rights Commission of the council of europe there are so many parliamentarians worldwide why are very concerned about this case and i really dont understand to be frank whats going on in the British Parliament with my colleagues that they dont have there was not one british politician with you know and i mean if they are so secure and so secure about the case that the rule of law is accepted you and the conditions are ok with the rule of law why they dont just come and see whats going on in the court room ok i mean i just dont like them i invite the candidate who has got running for the leadership of the labor party come with me as a calm rate and see whats going on in the court room well it again convenes in may of course depending on the health of Julian Assange the magistrate vanessa borate. Shes an impartial woman deciding over the Court Proceedings well. It was very weird what happened last week. When we came together to the court and she just asked in the afternoon julian if he can concentrate on the trial and the proceedings and because its in the dock and he cannot very well hear whats going on because we had this really does problems from the beginning on monday to the 24th the trial started and we had this julian and the media and the observers had the problem to follow sometimes because. Sometimes they dont speak into the microphone sometimes you cannot hear the judge at all because she doesnt spoke to the microphone or even she started the proceedings while julian was not in the courtroom i mean he is a defendant you have to wait till he is coming in to the courtroom but then they started just a proceeding sometimes and that means this is disrespect about the court and the trial at all and then she asked him in the afternoon if she he felt good and hes well being and can concentrate but julian wants to wanted to speak up and she didnt allow it he said she said he has to speak to his lawyers and then the lawyers will tell the court but the problem was then julian said whats the point of asking me if i cant concentrate if im not at all can participate in this courtroom and she said well you are a participant like any other defendant and then he said well i am as much a participant of my own trial as i am a participant in the wimbledon because he is in the dark he is a behind he cannot have. Confidential communication with lawyers there are everywhere cameras they are spies there are microphones he cannot we are caught communicate privately he says of the other side the us the prosecution has 100 times more hours to communicate because in the back of the prosecutor is there are representatives of the state department of the u. S. And there are representatives of the u. S. Embassy they can communicate they can exchange immediately while the proceeding is going on but julian cannot do this and even the prosecutor was ok to say we are neutral we are not against that jordan assad can sit next to his lawyers to communicate with them but the judge refuses and this was really bizarre some said that the prosecutors representing the American Government the United States government if they became worried that a mistrial could happen because she appeared to be armed she also said for this operates she could do nothing about the fact that. After day one in court. Sandras hanker after 11 years stripped naked twice and all is defense papers were taken away from him yes and he had to change 5 cells within this night and i mean i know jordan personally since 2012 and i was pretty much shocked when i saw him on day one. But what did you make of the judge saying she couldnt do anything about that thats up to the prison that isnt yet connected to this court yet thats i mean thats absurd on are from my point of view thats absurd because she is the judge of this trial she has a responsibility that the defendant is in health that the defendant is not mistreated by the personnel the staff of the prison she is the responsible person that this trial is under the rule of law and if she is not intervening as a judge that means that she is coming along with the situation. We use their when suddenly they are asked is the editor of in chief of wiki leaks christian elevens and as in the court for no apparent reason they wanted to throw him out the court yet it was just you know another shocking moment we were waiting in the entrance to the Public Gallery room together with kristen and i mean i have to say and add every morning its the same procedure with the staff of the prison and the court its actually the court every morning we have the argue as International Observers every morning we have to show our diplomatic passport and that we i have to show the letter of the government the minister of justice that im on the list as observer and i can go through and every morning its the same procedure they deny and they dont leave me go through to the court every morning and and this morning we had a discussion with kristen as well at the gate and then after that at the door to the Public Gallery the staff was asking him if if there is the chief editor of wiki leaks and we said do you mean in editing or someone special and he said yes someone special kristen hof saw and he said yes i am here and said. The staff then said youre not allowed to go into the Public Gallery you have to leave the building the court the whole building you have to leave and you say why and who set this form who comes this decision they said from the court and but i dont know why so he had to leave the building of course britain says this is independent of the United States. Which will tell you about it tell me that you think the United States which says we kill it is a terrorist nonstate actor yeah well no one explained does this. John ship than the father of julian here want our to with all the other family members to make a protest on this and he said were not going to into the trial again if kristen halftone as a coach of the chief of editor of the caveats is not allowed to go with us to this trial and then after a while they said the staff of the court ok you are allowed to go in the representatives of the Reporters Without Borders organisation they were totally outrageous about this issue as well because they say thats an attack on press freedom of course if the chief editor of the killer leaks is not allowed to go to the court to the trial against the founder of the kids see the European Union has said nothing about this case do you expect that because they dont want to intervene in nations although they arguably intervene in catalonia they intervened in france by allowing only normally i have to say of course its good if governments and the European Union the commission is not intervening into the internal affairs of other countries of soaring countries thats a good thing actually but then we have to be fair and dont do with in other cases as well but in this case its the council of europe and United Nations yes and the thing is now that its not its not an intervention into the internal Affairs Officer brain country if you say we have concern about these attacks on press freedom by the Trump Administration of. Because of the spanish act he is prosecuted and we are concerned about a fair trip to trial here. If the. Rule of floor is now respected thats not intervention in the internal affairs and thats what the Parliamentary Assembly of the council of europe did in the majority a vast majority said Julian Assange has to be released from prison now and he must not be extradited to the u. S. And its the same with the appeal in germany where 10 former federal minister all liberal parties social democrats green they all say he has to be really so thank you. After the break but before i was ahead of the uns World Wildlife day that shot the c. E. O. Of Conservation Charity bug life explains out chemical balti nationals are looking to swarm the u. K. With anti insect regulation all the civil going to do is going to grow. The point is should we actually be charging for education because this is when we charge for things is because its a benefit to the person is buying it and thats the audiology took over education about 30 or 40 years ago but the perspective of education was originally that education is a benefit for society in general i wouldnt want to live in a Society Without doctors or engineers but it happened without economists. Saying it of being a profit benefit ignoring the public means that were ignoring that the skill basis we need for a Sophisticated Society and putting the burden of that skilled bices on the individuals and what were turned it into is just now the China InstitutionPublic Higher Education become a form a version of a real us. Scam that is not the basis for a functional society. Welcome back has pushed back to trade talks get underway in brussels how will the European Union deal with the massive insecticide multinationals looking just waterway regulation and nearly even free u. K. According to Conservation Charity bug life 40 percent of insect species are threatened with extinction with insecticides raking in billions c. E. O. Of bug life met charlotte thinks its time for pest control Chemical Companies to bug off he joins me now matt welcome to going underground im going to ask a question that arguably may be more pertinent to you perhaps dont think it is or you think its out of context hundreds of thousands of children will die this year because of malaria and yet your own organization that is lobbying against the mass extinction of insects intakes of course is distributed malaria why overseas its not just the malarial mosquitoes that were talking about were talking about the whole breadth of animal life on this planet over 70 percent of the species live on this planet are invertebrates and the a few of them do cause problems with mosquitoes that murder people theyre not doing it deliberately they just happen to be a vector or Something Else and hopefully science can find solutions to those sorts of things or capitalism its been called actually i thank you for that but ive got to also was about how there is hope in your campaign unique it annoyed with coverdell going underground and its very early episodes of this show and youve been successful in other activist groups in other green groups today when it took years so you have to remember that these chemicals are out there in the environment all over a great deal fields all over the year there still a lot of agricultural fields in other countries around the world harming the babies and causing long term damage in the u. K. Over 40 percent of the babies they studied they went extinct in more than. 10 percent of the places that they were living as a direct result of using those chemicals and they quit right we managed to get great steps forward with getting most of the worst ones banned its never quite that simple though why is it not quite simple they havent been having and i did in this country so they banned the worst ones where theres lots of evidence they let it out on most evidence of harm to the environment to butterflies to big ultimately to worse and to ask us out betty to produce food and to to to feed ourselves so you know that theyve got rid of some of the absolute worst ones but they continue to approve new ones that may be just as harmful as the old ones that theyre not testing them the other issue is that they havent banned the wood uses so it made to cooperate which is one of the oldest and most persistent of these incredibly toxic insecticides is still used on cats and dogs and when this gets on to the bedding that the cats and dogs are lying in it then gets washed into the search system and into the rivers around the country where it causes damage there and at the moment the people are buying these products dont even know that its potentially damaging to freshwater life im sure the manufacturers of the pet medications dont going to agree at all that its completely safe in fact as you know the Chemical Companies which have huge lobbies are in the European Union. For so long rejected unique its annoying as being a bad thing what do you make now of the Crop Protection associations a member of the e. U. Funded european Crop Protection association claiming a post bricks it u. K. Can reintroduce maybe glyphosate unique huge annoyance one of these called chlor p. Rose and. They have such crazy names you might almost think that but those names that we wouldnt talk about the money. So yes the these that Multinational Companies the biggest ones are massive massive corporates and of course theyre in the game of playing one country off another and about a 3rd of countries around the planet dont actually have proper pesticide regulation at all and those sorts of countries overseas open to exploitation by those who are trying to abuse their naivete if you like and im sure our politicians would say theyre immune to the lobbying of big multibillion dollar Multinational Companies taking them out for dinner. Well i wouldnt believe theyre guessing you wouldnt believe that im guessing its not people who i dont know if you are going to believe that are they so so that you know that they have to keep going with saying that it doesnt because otherwise those other countries might twig that actually theyre being sold something thats damaging their phone features and when groups like yours secure victories constant vigilance i noticed that a Group Calling itself the gleick for seed Renewal Group