Need to weapon sales were illegal what now for the worlds worst humanitarian crisis after years of British Armed bombing one of the poorest countries in the world all the same all coming up in todays going underground a 1st u. K. Prime minister Boris Johnson says its fine to go to work and get on the london tube in a socalled lockdown risking tens of thousands of lives of the u. K. s most vulnerable citizens thats what scientists from University College london the university of cambridge said and as the death rate is on par with italy fears a mounting about the competence of the British Government that while the small island nation of cuba has arguably been taking it seriously from the start cuba has sent its army of white robes to italy for the 1st time to revolutionize medical treatment inspired by che guevara will britain be next to need help from the communist island for more on this Global Pandemic is professor david heyman who led the Global Response to the saaz epidemic while he was executive director of the World Health Organization david thanks so much for joining us so many different model so much information coming out 1st of all your response to this u. C. L. Cambridge study saying the u. K. Government strategy could mean up to 70000 dead does it make any sense. Well modelers use the information they have available at the time and they make assumptions based on the that information and then they put this into a model which churns out a result and the result can be a maximum or a minimum impact depending on whats done within their government models are useful for Public Health preparedness theyre not necessarily useful for the general public to assimilate and try to understand so what were seeing is a government which is working based on estimates from many different sources doing its own risk analysis and doing what it feels is necessary to curtail the spread of this virus as are other countries throughout the world and its really building a ship while its sailing trying to determine which strategies will work best and the u. K. Is trying strategies that it theo are the best to work in the u. K. Ok and given information is obviously critical therefore you can forgive say the b. B. C. Here in britain for reporting that the science has changed thats how the b. B. C. Reported the different responses over different days from the government to the public and. Well the science is coming from many different sources and everybody has access to that because the medical journals actually are publishing information after peer review very rapidly and theyre putting it in front of their paywall so that anybody can have access and that access permits countries around the world to take this information and use it in their own National Context to do a Risk Assessment and decide what is within the potential of that country to do to stop the operates and so were seeing a variety of different measures being used in Different Countries and none of those are really known to be effective at present certain ones are more effective than others early on but in the long run its not clear what will be the most effective measures to deal with this outbreak so what actually happened to herd immunity is a policy response for the coronavirus because the governments dont seem to be talking about that although they did talk about britains rather unique response. Well herd immunity is when enough of the population has been infected in developed anybody that the virus stops transmitting so rapidly and can actually stop altogether this happens when you vaccinate children for example for measles they develop antibodies to measles and that prevents measles from circulating in the country but then if its imported again and people arent backstage there can be operates so what herd immunity is is attrition of the enter body by the population over a long period of time thats not a strategy that the government is using as far as i know and it was something that was mentioned by some of the modelers early on but to my understanding was never a goal of the government while it was a report it is the power of the good of the hood can protect the most at risk of infection that was reported here on news are going to tell you ok globally then the editor of the lancet the Peer Reviewed journal here in Britain Richard orton claims the countries that will be most resilient will be those with the most equitable universal Healthcare Systems and any proof of that. Well what i think is important is to understand that mortality from this disease and seriousness depends on the number of hospital beds available for the elderly who are greatest risk especially the elderly with comorbidities so that means a Health System which has beds which has isolation beds and which has ventilators will do a better job in saving lives than Health Systems which dont have that the u. K. I understand has made an agreement with the private sector to increase its beds and if the same time to make sure that there are ventilators available d and hopefully that will be sufficient italy has had a very difficult time because of its Elderly Population and that seems to be the population that has been initially infected with the virus and theyve not been able to cope with all these infections and so their Hospital System has had to deny access this is a viable rate of these people who are infected will depend on how well they can be supported within their Hospital System weve seen it is only that when the Hospital System is overrun by a need of patients especially for ventilators that they cant accommodate all those patients and unfortunately many of them are dying in italy because they cant get the care that they need in the u. K. Theres been an attempt to make a bridge with the private sector to make more beds available in public to the public as well as ventilators and awfully that will be sufficient to be able to deal with patients in a way that germany for example is dealing with patients able to manage those patients within the Health System and make sure that they have greatest possible chance of survival but where are you getting this correlation between number of hospital beds and response to coronaviruses mean british policy under successive governments to reduce the number of beds here in britain in the Hospital System to one of the lowest in the o. E. C. D. Countries. Well i dont want to compare o. E. C. D. Countries thats not my goal here my goal here is to help people understand that number one models are just models they provide an estimate of how many patients there will be the Health System has to adjust itself in any way it can to support those patients including possibly temporary rooms for hospital patients and somewhere else and each country has to do it based on their own Risk Assessment incapacities and thats why its important in the u. K. Thats what it is important in every country weve seen the example of a country which is overwhelmed with patients in italy weve also seen the same thing happening in spain hopefully the u. K. Will be able to deal with this through their methods its chosen to decrease transmission and i must remind people that its their responsibility to decrease transmission if we all understand how to distance physically and how also to maintain a social distance from people and also understand how to protect people if we ourselves are sick we can go a long way to helping the government decrease that burden when hospital beds ok thats a gods other correlations obviously on twitter or in the newspapers they talk about this celebrity or that celebrity with coronavirus is there a class component in coronavirus susceptibility this far is understood everybody is susceptible to this virus and at the same time everybody has a role to play nobody has antibody or protection from this virus at the start but we can protect ourselves by understanding that we must physically distance ourselves from other people we must at the same time ensure that we dont go to Mass Gatherings events or Public Events though a lot of people together and it is same time we must understand that if we are sick we need to protect others especially the elderly but not coughing or sneezing directly. N n and i making sure that if we can we wear a mask were going to figure sneezing so that we had roughly been told to wear maya we havent been told to wear mosques here in britain i have to say and socalled low skilled workers who we were told about a few weeks ago do you think they are more susceptible because they obviously are working as porches and clean as in hospitals right now that alone frontline n. H. S. Stuff and this could be for Health Care Systems around the world we need to be careful about the word susceptible susceptible means people are at risk of an infection where as there is high risk means if theyre in a bad in a in work which creates a greater risk than other people have of getting infected so were also sceptical we all have different risks of being infected and Health Care Workers and those working in hospitals have a great risk presumably that if you live in a cost well youre better off oh we had lawyers are actually trying to appeal for the release of julian the sons from a prison here in london what do you think are the dangers in the prisons of the world as regards coronavirus well theres great concern for prisons theres great concern for refugee population and theres great concern for the elderly in Nursing Homes because all those populations have one thing in common theyre in confined spaces where they if there are infected people it will not be able to physically distance enough to prevent infection of themselves and so they will be great at great risk of infection their work is trying to figure out how to decrease the risk for these prisoners or people in refugee populations and for people in homes for the elderly so do you think it be a worthwhile would it be worthwhile to release nonviolent offenders from prisons because it would endangered prison populations and overseas visitors. Well thats not for you or i to decide thats for the government decide to decide as they make their risk analysis and decide which populations are greatest risk and how they might deal with those risks while a cuba is being that trialing interferon be in china and l. V. The doctors have been arriving in italy President Trump was very excited about antimalarials like hydroxy couric when we now having some reports of a death actually in the United States for people overdosing on it what are the dangers of hydroxy chloroquine ok there have been many trials of different drugs throughout the world and the risk of taking those drugs without knowing if theyre effective is that all these drugs have side effects and so if youre taking a drug with side effects and those side effects are greater than the effectiveness of the drugs that youre being that youre using you might cause yourself more harm by using that drug whats going on now there are studies of or when theres studies of many different drugs that have been studied in the laboratory shown to be effective been shown to be effective possibly in humans but those studies have to compare a group that receives the drive to a group that doesnt receive the drug and then there has to be a statistically valid population thats been studied to make any conclusions about whether that drug is useful and then you can begin to see whether the side effects of the drug are less important in the usefulness of the drug or vice versa so it would be very wrong for any patient to self subscribe to sell prescribe any medicine in person at present they must be listening to what the medical profession tells them president thank you after the break 5 years to the day of u. K. Back to saudi bombing of yemen before a cholera outbreak killing thousands of civilians and with 20000000 without access to basic health care will it cope with kovac 19 we go to the worlds worst humanitarian crisis the poorest country in the middle east attacked by british warplanes and bombs although some are going about doing good. Trade and investment have become magic spells to conjure economic development. Most people think about trade they think about goods and services being exchanged between countries and the investor a chapter of a trade agreement is about something very different but what when investment leads to toxic manufacturing that destroys secret sites all ruins the environment. That means local communities that are being poisoned if they object if they do anything that the company feels is interrupting their profits they can they serve. The nationals are taking on the whole nations Philip Morris is trying to use i. S. T. s to stop oracle by implementing new tobacco regulations aimed at cutting domestic smoking rates a French Company sued egypt because egypt raise its minimum wage and democratic choice over trump Corporate Law joining us as we try to find one of the to. Join me every thursday on the alex simon chill and ill be speaking to guest of the world of politics sports business im showbusiness ill see you then. Welcome back 5 years ago today Saudi Arabia Armed to the teeth with british killing machines advised by british soldiers launching airstrikes on the poorest country in the middle east yemen and while britain today sits in fear of a virus yemen has continued to be the targets of british weaponry as it fought the worlds worst ever recorded outbreak of cholera with tens of millions facing the worlds worst humanitarian catastrophe im joined now from a studio in sanaa by the chairperson of the watch an organization for human rights would walk all the. Thanks so much rod you for coming on actually before we even get to coronavirus just remind us what happened 5 years ago today when british warplanes in the Saudi Air Force bombed your country in 2014 in september 2014 hoshis they control the capital. By force so the idea of war was there in the mind of people but very few people none of people expected them military intervention from many countries so the moment when people. Heard the sound of airstrike was like a nightmare and people will not even understanding whats happening and whats going on. Was another turning point of the war in yemen that is not expected by many many people. Well obviously your group is not affiliated to any side except human rights while britain has supplied weapons to bomb civilians in your country what what now is the threat of coronavirus given the damage to Health Infrastructure in yemen by as i say bombs manufactured here in britain yeah so arms trade is as a keep your point in the war in yemen because the International Community like especially u. K. U. S. And france they can do a lot to stop the war in yemen and he keeps saying that peace in yemen is always have possible and never happens and arms trade is one of this. So through 5 years of war. By who thiis by the Yemeni Government by the saudi an amount of that coalition that supported by the u. S. U. K. And france in many ways one of them is selling weapons. The very limited infrastructure in yemen that we already have has been destroyed and we in wanton with the physicians for human rights just released a report. About attacking the medical facilities through the fife years and we documented 120 incidents where medical Facilities Health workers were attacked by all parties to the conflict so we are not reedy to receive new kind of disease and corona virus was not. Able to be faced by very developed countries like us in europe and so whats going to be happened in yemen where all the health. I mean Health System is collapsed because of the war because of the airstrikes by the saudi an american that coalition because of ground shelling by who he is because and other armed groups loyal to the heidi government. So its going to be another the. Different disaster if corona virus virus arrived to yemen and yemenis to fight hearing about coronavirus well i should say the British Government says the weapons sales are regulations here are the most robust in the world in fact the British Government is for an English Court decision to be able to try and sell more weapons to the war when you talk about growth of virus is it going to be difficult when coronavirus strikes for the yemeni people to. Take measures given theyve already had to cope with cholera diptheria measles and dengue fever and as you say the Health Care System has been bombarded yeah human is they couldnt cope even with cholera they have died. They couldnt cope with many many normal diseases that are people in the in the wards can be treated from easily they couldnt call it will just kill us and. I say the international i was i was outside yemen for one month for one year until months of doing advocacy in many countries including the u. K. And i kept emphasizing that the war in yemen can be can be solved. Especially if there is a serious pressure from the International Community in their allies and all in all parties to the conflict but the never happens they kept in estates and weapons to their license out is an image that is i mean u. K. And u. S. And france and i think that the coronavirus can be it is another disaster in yemen but also it can be a chance to stop the war in yemen its another reason to stop the war in yemen as of earlier in the week there were no coronavirus cases but oaks from the ngo is saying that cholera may start increasing again in april. Just tell me about the worst ever recorded outbreak of cholera on record so in 2018 there were. It was outbreak of cholera for and 2000000 people and there was many difficult cases and always very very difficult to control the call cholera but i think its very early to feel relaxed that yemen were not face the threat of could own a virus i hope that corona virus will never arrive to yemen but its very early to say this and you can see this fact in the in the faces of all yemenis they are terrified about the krona virus they talk about it every day and many. I mean n. G. O. S and public 66 tours they they give like a vacation for their employees because of this and many things there and you can see in yemen that they really dont care about anything and they are very familiar with the idea of different disease. They are scared from coronavirus and they are trying to protect themselves even before it arrives because they know that yemen doesnt have the capacity to protect them if something happened like this. Of course here in europe obviously Boris Johnson in the United States donald trump huge Health Care Provisions are being created for the coronavirus over here do you think yemenis are going to think its one rule for countries selling the weapons to bomb your country in another for those children who may be killed by the disease or elderly or vulnerable in yemen by coronavirus yeah and i hope that the u. S. And europe. Are going to be creative in facing criminal virus in yemen by putting a real pressure to stop the war in yemen they can do it the only pressure that happens from the International Community just of the war in yemen have been after the hush of the. In murder it happened for political reasons but it led to Stockholm Agreement so it just proved that the International Community when ever they want to do something serious in yemen they can do it but they dont care and the world is created now in the ground in in yemen for no reasons there is a huge lack of accountability in yemen and all parties to the conflict they trust impunity more than anything else and because they feel that they have the green light from the International Committee nothing happens from the International Committee seriously to stop the war in yemen when i say International Community i mean states because in geos and many Media Outlets they already did what they can what can be done to should lighten the war in yemen but state they did nothing and theyre not even trying to to do they try they deal with yemen like a chess lets move this to here and this group to here and this group to have they never believed that to we deserve a state that based on the rule of law and even democracy this is what the yemeni people want but the International Committee and not putting enough pressure in parties to the conflict and specially on saudis and emirates is to go forward to peace so the only way to be creative in yemen. Is to stop the war this will might help to avoid a crisis like coronavirus if it happened in yemen otherwise its just the whole world will just watch yemenis dying maybe even in the streets. I know 20000000 people dont have basic health care but saudi arabia and the u. A. E. And britain and the usa theyre actually giving lots of aid or be it as well as they are supplying arms to the conflict you have enough paracetamol little ungrown of ours testing kids yeah im not sure about the figure but the idea of giving aid in one hand and. Encouraging the war in the other hand is just and it its funny even the only way that can help yemenis is to stop the war aid can also a can only a fill the gaps but you cant help 30 millions of people by providing humanitarian aid why the whole state is collapsed this will never work the only thing that can work is to stop the war and to go to Peace Process and help yemenis to have a ship of state again this is very possible and its needs to just i mean the im straight its part of it there is a lot of work against arms trade. Because of the word in yemen and yemen it turned to be like a headache for those who are selling arms to saudis and teasin in general but in spite of this still the war is going on and arms trade still going on in different ways and this is because of the lack of accountability not only in the yemeni level or isnt a level but also in the International Level there should be a strong work to enhance income accountability internationally this will help to protect yemen not only now but also in the future and it will help to protect even other countries in war zones if its unclear right now as regards testing kits and piracy them all obviously its going to be hard. The self isolate people are self isolating here in britain when war planes with pilots trained by british soldiers are flying overhead would you call them britain just stop selling weapons and also to stop maintaining the warplanes or they can no longer fly and maybe bomb your country so the u. K. Should not only stop sinning weapons they should do their efforts to stop the war and they are been holders and the and the human fire and they can do much more than stop sinning weve been so the 1st died thing they should do is to stop sinning wimbledons and to stop maintain the war in military and the military level but also they should do their political a 1st to stop the war in yemen and to push and their allies and they can do it so in in yemen its not only that the whole system is collapsed many people they dont even have the water and to clean their hands and you cant in other countries you can put people at home but many for millions in yemen if you put them at home they would just die they dont have source of money to buy enough food for them they have to go out and war so it wouldnt it would not to work to protect yemenis from a virus for example that traditional way thats happening everywhere its going to be another death its whether to death in your home from starvation or to die from cordona virus so the its not only to stop sinning weapons but to do a serious pressure on political worked most of the war in yemen right now would welcome thank you and thats it for the show when were back on saturday for national day of action the palestine is going to virus whats known as the just open air prison camp gaza guarded by soldiers with rebel you have a weapon sell to israel and tell them all the news not covered by the Mainstream Media join the underground by following up on you tube Twitter Facebook instagram and some. You know what i mean maybe at their school i dont think about it at all many grown men not near our 4. I kind of were on the. Course if they now want and its higher than our. Members who are sick of mafias them safe and quick to europe but once they. Leave the country each util. Will not some of them leave be a mom and i couldnt you know if this unit can get it out. Of the chain. They sold the. Lead. Core of the. From donald trump in 2016 to 2020 there is part of the electorate that responds to antiwar anti interventionist rhetoric in fact there is evidence to significantly help get trampled like that but the fact remains the establishment is keen to downplay and even demonize any candidate who questions polls orthodoxies why is this. Welcoming our viewers from around the world live from Central London this is hour to u. K. U. K. Prime minister Boris Johnson clashes with the Opposition Leader over 19 testing. 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