Shes an attorney and former state director for Bernie Sanders in 2016 in washington we have Christopher Barron he is a conservative strategist as well as president of right turn strategies and in strasburg we cross to John Laughlin hes a political scientist and historian as well as lecturer in european history at the University Institute of st pius the 10th in pairs are right across cycles in effect that means you can jump in anytime you want and i always appreciate let me go to john in strasburg to give us a little panoramic view right here. I was thinking a couple of days ago looking at the surge or apparent surge or invented surge of people who judge and i kept thinking while. America now has its own version of the menu well mccrone ok a poster child for power for the status quo and almost no one likes them but you can do anything about it ok thats exactly what were facing here and thats i also said in my introduction you know were told so much. About what this candidate stands for what that candidate stands for but nobody really wants to look at what the voters really want and they want a continuation of 2016 of confronting the elites ok but you wont learn that on c. N. N. Or m s n b c go ahead john. Why i think the comparison with america is a very good one because. In france shows that in spite of all the rhetoric that we had in 2016 about the about brets it in the rise of trump and so on it shows how strong i wont call it the Political Center because i dont think thats quite the right word i would say the political cartel ok strong is a good cartel remains and determined a political cultural is to hang on to power in fact i would almost say that the rhetoric of a sort of populist bricks through which some populist politicians use on both sides of the atlantic is almost feeding in to the Horror Stories that the cartel tells in order to keep itself in power it tells people oh my god you know were the only safe pair of hands if you if you elect these terrible awful its like a drum war or both of bricks it to whatever then the entire system will come crashing down so i would almost say that this idea of a sudden bring down of the center is itself a part of the political cartels mechanism for staying in power ok i really like the term cartel here don apparently the cartel doesnt know how to flip a coin ok because i think our viewers saw this a coin flipping in iowa what in the world was that about him it just backs up exactly what john was saying theyre going to do anything anything they stay in power i mean hypocrisy out the window i mean thats never not even embarrassed by this now ok and i speak i say this as a conservative because i think whats happening to bernie is shameful and the powers that be are backing it up theyre calling someone a front. Based on no evidence no facts whatsoever and its virtues signaling and you know what all those people that canvas to that ridiculous system they have their hours and hours and hours taking time off from work and then what you do is you turn around and spit in their face sorry for being so blunt but thats exactly what it is go ahead. There may have been and its obvious listen ill what an embarrassing mess for democrats however i will say one thing that Bernie Sanders has is this cartel of people where he has a campaign that was already built unlike any other candidate in the race so im not going to say that the party is trying to rig it against him again because even if that is the expectation his people know how to get around it because they are self organized army this fight that this is a primary and thats what primaries are about the democrats are lucky that we have a wide variety from the left to the right moderate centrist candidate is that each of us can go out and choose as long as we actually participate in this process and not be discouraged by what happened i will however iowa was an eye opener this time for us to make that all of us and thats the focus that i think we did ok but its not an eye opener its setting a trend in a precedent ok dont trust the vote dont trust the voters trust us to the people that are reporting it ok i mean i think its patently obvious that judge is an invention. Hes been created to take this role here and you know what with joe you know flailing and you know you have other candidates that are mount reaching the mark of global char is nice but you know theres its all a Marketing Strategy but its not the candidates its not the parties doing the marketing its the media framing the narrative and i find it so insulting to the Democratic Party and thats what they did to tramp ok they tried to do that and it turned out the party ok ok christopher jump in what do you put your sorry. Bridge between what is the difference between c. N. N. And b. C. In the d. N. C. Just think about that Chris Christie for jumping in oh its a huge difference sure its great youre going to you have all that youve got youve got it larry i got it i need everyone in that program 1st and then we can jump in its christophers turn go ahead christopher. Youve got john kerry being caught on the phone in iowa talking about how hes thinking about jumping into the race because he wants to stop Bertie Sanders look at the end of the day i think sanders is actually going to win this nomination but hes going to have to fight like hell for it because the democratic establishment and their friends in the Corporate Media are going to do everything they can to stop him in the same way that they tried to stop donald trump in 2016 you know what happened in 2016 is trump all the animals in the party out of their cages in the Republican Party and if bernie is going to succeed he asked to do the same thing hes going to fight for it tooth and nail because they will do everything from inventing characters like boo to judge to bloomberg and his billions to the onslaught of negative Opposition Research which is coming it is coming at the dump is coming soon for Bernie Sanders he is going to have to fight tooth and nail the same way that trump did in 2016 and frankly i think its good for democracy to have a real you know a real debate about the future to have 2 people standing on stage who offer very different views for the future and who actually believe what theyre saying i think its good for democracy and good for our country you know but i think thats a very good point chris or not and i take it on board but i think you can flip the coin and i think the process this is a de legit deal legitimizing the democratic process i mean i it was a perfect example of that i dont believe this story about this app and all this this is a bit too convenient and due to judges Campaign Connection to the people who were involved with that app i mean thats kind of fishy as well ok john to me it is its really holding the democratic process in contempt because if they dont get the outcome they want then theyre going to say its not legitimate go ahead. Well thats obviously what they did with their trampas of one nose 1st on russia and then on ukraine well have to see whether Bernie Sanders wins the nomination or when to see if he wins in New Hampshire for that matter. Im surprised that christopher is optimistic for him maybe hes right but if he is right then america will be the other states who are breaking the mold because in europe thats absolutely not whats happening at all again in spite of all the talk about populism and the end of consensus and so on the european picture is very different the european situation is one in which the left the old left the sort of left of Bernie Sanders in bodies has completely collapsed yet the British Labor party has been totally decimated in the latest general election the socialist party in france barely exists anymore it had to sell its headquarters in order to survive financially the social Democratic Party in germany is extremely weak and although there are some right wing populist parties in europe had some success of the league in italy the Freedom Party in austria. Basically they have also been chased out of office yet by the cartel. Right now on this side of the atlantic im afraid the cartel is doing extremely well and certainly as far as for example france is concerned american in spite of his unpopularity has a perfectly good chance of winning at the time of the next president ial election in 2022 thats right you know were down you know one of the things i really like about Bernie Sanders is he talks about real people he doesnt talk about these newfangled idea this virtuous signaling and all of this i dont understand i dont get it ok im a political junkie i dont understand most of the white noise particularly on the left ok but i mean when bernie talks he talks about real people and real problems and you know what hes been doing it for a long time right now that you know i you know not someone that was 47 years. Zoltan decided to become a democrat you know after you know slogging for Financial Institutions for years on time out Elizabeth Warren here i mean but i think the Democratic Party is really detached from the d. N. C. In the media they like these other you know explaining is things that you know maybe there are people that some people that are interested in it but most people who say you know what you know wheres the beef you know how my going to make my life better for me thats really the bread and butter of politics bernie is a chef at it he is great at it ok very much like donald trump you know though there is a go ahead well done well you know so i was they overall the Democratic Party is much more in line with what the people on the ground actually need and however i agree with you Bernie Sanders has been consistent and talking about the people who are that bottom percentage of americans who simply just need a hand up you talked about dede legitimize in the process you know i wasnt great but we know from 2016 theres another thing the d d legitimize the american process and thats the Electorial College just like iowa it is antiquated it is old and we know that because one of the losing the popular vote and so these things that we talk about the Democratic Party but i think the american political system as a whole probably me that overhaul and what we will see is that its not a centrist moving left moving right is that most of the people care about their Everyday Needs making sure they can feed their family good education for their children ok in that regard i think i go to my view on that part of the Electoral College no way when did i have a solution chris to read before we go to the why dont we go back to paper and pencil ballots ok im sorry i think it seems to work for all of the ok i dont know whats wrong with that recycled paper we dont have to cut down trees 40 seconds before we go to the break. Look i think what people i think what people wanted this country is that they are tired of the politics of the elites that did. Work for average working class americans thats the appeal of donald trump on the right thats the appeal of Bernie Sanders on the left and thats why i said i think its great for democracy to actually have an open and honest discussion about the future instead of the cartel of the center thats only interested in the moneyed interests that it represents thats the system thats broken and thats the system that both donald trump and Bernie Sanders are an absolute revolt to ok im going to jump in here after a short break well continue our discussion on the liberal collapse a with. The problem with having too many claims of gold is really hitting the markets in a serious way people want their gold now because they realize that the fear money world is collapsing and then they go to get their gold and these exchanges where the. B. M. A. Are saying no we dont have the gold actually we live. Here and so thats causing people to they want their gold even more than all the countries that have repatriated their gold ever since we told germany that they dont even have the gold on their own soil then they repatriated their gold now Everyone Wants to repatriate they want their gold and so the physical price of gold is now zooming iron the paper price soon will become a meaningless price. Your government and our government and all the other major governments of the world know whats going to and when its going to. But they havent told you and they havent told me they havent announced. Imagine something as big as the earth. Is going to cause tidal waves or earthquakes volcanoes erupt and its going to chill. So very for a while right. My great grandfathers. Nobody would care about the law or prison so youd have wallace though should have. A terrible life between now and. Thats the Crucial Point of the book a bottom line of the book namely i think youre pretty much stuck with your looks but if you have other things that youre good at either music or running or doing intellectual work or politics then one should take advantage of ones advantages and project those and forget about the fact that you may not be the best looking person on the block. Welcome back to cross talk were all things are considered im peter about to remind you were discussing the liberal collapse. Ok lets go back to john in south america i have my own pet theory about all of this if there isnt a candidate a democratic candidate. That comes into. Force after super tuesday were going to have some kind of brokered convention here and i says assume and im really interested in what donald have to say about this but 1st the john is that i think the cartel and im going to start using that term and i always cite you for i think the cartel would prefer to have trump have the democrats lose and have trump reelected because we have seen over the last 3 years or so that theyve been able to really crimp him on his Foreign Policy very tightly ok he has no Foreign Policy real success in my opinion and we still have too many of these deep state creatures even though the finally the bin laden twins are out of the white house finally but its going to be its slow going ok because its so bipartisan so what do you think of that proposition that the cartel would prefer to see the democrats lose than bernie when go ahead. I understand what youre driving at i suppose i hadnt really ever thought that Bernie Sanders could win the presidency so in other words i think that its theyll be bowing to the inevitable trump has kept us guessing hasnt he beat her ever since he was elected we have many of us may have placed hopes in in particular on Foreign Policy issues and weve been cruelly disappointed but he carries on talking the talk even if hes not walking the walk i suppose im afraid im probably guilty of letting my hopes carry away carry the day of my analysis when i say that you know one thing hopes are one things that perhaps this endless deep state conspiracy against him will come to an end 2nd it wins a 2nd and that after all after the impeachment vote. On the on tuesday the. There was a bit of a purge wasnt there that you mentioned of in twins where out the president of the e. U. Was out Graham Zombieland and so on if manages to win a 2nd term maybe he will feel Strong Enough to. Carry the purge further or at least to implement the Foreign Policy that hes been talking about he was elected on but i agree its a tough one because if and if the last 4 years of daughters are nothing it is indeed the power by the way ive said this before on cross talk its not the deep state its the state its the state department the congress the pentagon its the whole apparatus of the state not just the covert operatives in the in the cia and the other Intelligence Services its the whole of the state and thats what makes the whole challenge of dissident politicians populist politicians so difficult because even if youre the president of the United States with the separation of powers and all the rest of it and with the general institutional inertia it is incredibly difficult to turn things around and you certainly cant do it in in 4 years yanno even character like mrs thatcher in britain. Was in power for more than 11 years and even her successes although considerable were no doubt less considerable and she would have hoped for so there is a terrible. Amount of as i say institutional inertia even for politicians who are radical and who are determined to be radical yeah apparently John John Brennan still has his security clearance fully. Unbelievable unbelievable don let me go get me to give my my pet theory to you i mean it would you think that if bernie were to get the nomination which i think if the popular will even with r. And equated the primaries of the popular answered it would be bernie but the d. N. C. Prefer to see him lose and. Then when against donald trump in november go ahead. No no i think it is pretty clear across the board or that the goal is to get out of office by any means necessary and that includes Bernie Sanders warnings that i dont think that theyre going to undermine the process to that and what i would love to see and i think with that the Democratic Party is that just like changing our we need to