Once its over well to discuss that im now joined by kitty in the short minute russian political scientist and a popular you tube are you can tell its always a great pleasure talking to you thank you very much for carving out your high asking out its it is a kind of. Life balance. Where you get to your study its a kind of going to work associate brings that kind of that forces you to your day. And in fact i think you in particular have been talking about in merging all work and private life as a major social in a labor trance for quite some time i think youre going to get me theres a. Yeah and im sorry to say but its reached its. Unexpected average you with this onset of south isolation i wonder if you have had a chance to adjust it well on the on how do we ave a privileged people they academicians the way you just so leave this way before it was mainstream oh now the have its evident that its not normal and that he shouldnt conceive you shouldnt be like that surprising me tommy was not how easily i have adapted so there was nothing much said that to but rather the opposite saying i suddenly realized oh maybe i should have known it before this social component of social sciences was always so much against talking to sorcerers or using inside information i was always saying that its all out there in the open source as you know official documents but now i see that there is this thing and thats not Insider Information but this is being in the atmosphere with people and institutions you spread it visiting me even behalf usually bad that used to be so cancelled so its such a long time once you are deprived a whole days youll begin to perceive how the quality of your work deteriorates well i hate to break it to you we are social species and its their lives to bookworms like yourself just as my just to everybody else now i heard me say a couple of years back that work especially a fulfilling work wearing down drinks not just income but other crimes of great vacation will one day become a luxury and i think that nowadays any kind of work is actually actually a privilege especially coupled with a monday to restrictions on social employability how much longer do you think states around the world can afford to maintain that no god. The mountain the world has an interest in keeping its citizens locked up so they that have a virus will go by the list your rules and restrictions will remain i think its a. Scare idea the governments of the world are very much interested in lifting this restrictions but they are evidently and reasonably doing this in such a way as to provoke another wave action i think we shall worry about the oncoming level of poor see if that will be faced by millions and millions or russian citizens and the people all around the world through this will be cared for really. Restaurant sounds coffeeshops will come back our services will revive but some jobs lost will indeed be a lost forever to those people who. Are the advantages of working for the state evidence right now because these people received their salaries. But was the stain your pro period will be over this advantages will not be over this state has been primary job giver in russia since well since since a long time ago but as if it wasnt 14 the number of people directly or indirectly and debts owed to the state for the s. L. Risks has grown it will likely grow even more because other. Workplaces will be scarse and this is not a very good saying well at the mill state is it isnt in good shape right now and regardless of dire political system and i would claim that this is perhaps the most consequential catch 22 situation when there are simply no easy solutions but i also see a lot of a lot of distance done building up around the world and the notion that this day around the world with the. Very very few exceptions would prioritize how considerations off a very limited group of people and were talking about 10 to 15 percent of the population who this virus of claims about only die how considerations would be prioritized over Everything Else given where we are right now gee think it was ultimately a good call on the part of a very just to you know to these people on the pedestal and ignore Everything Else take place and they arent of the day this is an issue of priority everything has its costs and cannot be the jad she lists all the governments of the world have been acting in a remarkably similar manner as you know it is no matter whether their democracy is all talk process and this for Political Science this has been one of the remarkable things to watch and to analyze the matters have been very much similar even delicious place them and that connects and who are employed during this weeks crisis has very large similarities so its not the question also although course is being more a fact in a democracy has been more effective rather rational to rely on being in the same not this you know everything rather should tell us that it is so diverse governments have the reason for acting like they act even its so great an economy and what would that be. The cost. Well. I heard you say before that the reason the wide you know states around the world were compelled to behave that way or to react the way they reacted was because of the appreciation in the value of human life and i take a major issue with that because the save lives of obit 9000 patients a likely to come of the cost of many other lives were talking about you know either patients who rang the able to travel lifesaving treatment abroad were talking about. Domestic abuse which is likely to have increased over the stressful times were talking about people who lost their livelihoods or mental how because of this a deal when you look at the human cost of both the andranik and the response to compress how severely is it really such a humanistic response isnt it actually saving some and more safety in the other we can ask people for long term consequences because we cannot we dont know what would this situation be enough there were no restrictive measures and act as a whole imagine. Then it all go away and. We dont need to imagine that we can look at. The example of sweden and it is clear that at this point the number of fatalities. Is slightly higher but its not overwhelmingly so i mean we have some indications that at least you know case in areas that many people were painting and many scientists were painting and submitted to the government it may have been overstated i guess i kind of does it teach us that medical specialists are even specialists in economy but i must have an issue with a swedish example we dont ease not conscious that did nothing about it and it cost little as a country that did not employ legislative follies restrictions on its citizens until speeches all School Restaurants in stockholm are as a misleading their words and government will advise people to stay at home and a lot of them did and they are also connected to the fabric of social life another country says different from the country so they do have a kind of course but its uncommon dasent its not its not just your absolute i agree with you but its far more did very response down the blanket ban that was imposed are. Recommended in some countries now when i was thinking about it you know what he had to my mind is the culture of this socalled phenomena and safe it is not that we see in some us colleges which creates a moral hazard for College Administrators to overreact to every complaint from a student and we ultimately imperils agitation and Critical Thinking and i wonder if together with this common 1000. 00 pandemic we are also witnessing the outbreak is not all departed the governments when they think that its better to be saved and story even though distraction. You may be safe and. Your made it safe for a while also lost friends for evolved on the kind of consequences that calm our home but when i was saying and continues to say that this matters around them. Has been the consequences they have high value of human lives i was talking exactly about that there is a dark side even to a little higher cost of human life because even poses it imposes a certain duty on any public government so it cant just say lets let live go on as a den of the sick will get sick somebody will die will try to help those women who will lead or not with the business as usual that isnt possible they need to share that they take a stance and body heat in addition you feel on your even if this is costly. Rationally but then thats the only outsider i feared i dont have time including on the russians they dont channel these kind of argumentation but we know that this is a highly discriminate its a virus it goes primarily after people with preexisting conditions do could likely be sick and that you know type 2 diabetes is the prevailing disease among the population and i dont understand i havent heard anyone are clearly why do we have to isolate everybody im going to become a chokehold instead of isolating this is to decrease the population at least have a higher chance of and in that ending up in the Emergency Care units as opposed to everybody else who has to but what i say. In the circumstances lets watch the consequences thats what were social site is do lets wait till the end of the war on time measures and see how they call an eerie bounce in the healthy economy of a rebound maybe quite speedy and that will will say thank you to it is democratic and then on the credit government that you learn to trust your actions that sold elasund. The noble cause but if ever bad everything came back normal effects ringback of this will serve as a kind of accelerate search to an economic crisis or an economic stagnation that has already been on its way. Thatll be a whole different thing in jesus christ we are in that you know kind of and all that and all the best all we do know how of a virus but we also know how. Economic stagnation problem that was there before and we shall be a president the oil. Crisis which has not altered and began to take real consequences we will see for example a sequester and all solids and we will see the budget deficit and will see if there are necessary inevitable cutting off sounding of budgets or risk and if the party melon society as a whole is expecting. Takes a how well you could do before you turn into a full fledged prophet of the our callouses lets take your very very sure that i do know this not only because the we have seen this things before we have some right that if you want some real or a colleague take process you usually i could name a few names. So here you are people back so you need me. So i didnt worry noticed. I will definitely be interested in exploring the spill but a short break lets take a moment but we will be back in just a few seconds they can. Sell their memorization plan a change on the stand could you do a little spark that sent me a into up at you when caucus a chance to look down the field on that it is excellent. But much older than us i dont but the 4 local just the millennial is going to. Im still plays ball going yes way will simulate show doesnt which there were a lot because ill tell. You some will push it to him and he still will be your shot but sample a goal you put its not just one cuts the last thing you will not in one of them that are so there is to stop it takes 2 to be sure but i see the call to. The world is driven by a dream shaped by one person. Thinks. We dare to ask. Our. Welcome back to worlds apart to repeat it initially in that russian political analyst just before the break we were talking about how common 19 is a highly discriminative virus which primarily goes to people with preexisting conditions and speaking specifically about type 2 diabetes and its a ball of disorders i mean at this point it is absolutely clear that dany. Are definitely going down i think weiss would have been and even before these are dynamic these kind of diseases. Diseases all alive well radie bankruptcy public how care sector is in many countries because. As of their snow balling cost for example just in the United States about there is the federal budget goes into medicare and about their debt medicare is trying to diabetes now the question i want to ask you is about the prevailing social norms of the time being which tree how to turn signal is she getting back to a sustainable social norm at a time when society that expected to make such dramatic sacrifices to treat these diseases that are easily preventable we do not know the virus goes off so we have a lot of data but its data so far well be able to fully judge only when its over and 2nd i would not describe any disease as south its looking although of course there is a connection between go away or fly for the way are sealed as also genetics. Inclination or does inclination towards a certain type of disease so its not a thing you can blame a person on for having having made though those 2 of those deployed 2nd proceed to your original questions baldoni this specific type of privacy and this is our this is very interesting thing and this is my kind of thing because its social and its political. By a policy or by of politics the way the state or society the old and medium often the lawyers and. The lawyers interfere so on direct your physical. What things are and what about the doing. Of your body well what was a body off your loved ones with your children how far can a parent judge for example when to look to vaccinate their child. Before that weve been in all of this general liberal drop off my body this is. And if i harm myself a way of making this decision yes again its not all its melting isnt the fear with me society even liberal society it may be as tall as their parents are relations course on the one hand a week to perceive the family as cast as. Privacy at the same time we as a society cannot tolerate the full parental power over a child the power of other from merely a small aroma base as we do interfere our society and legislative systems interfere but it comes to you face all Development Well this jail house now this is the logical say for to is perceived as a kind of probably good to be defended by the force the full force of the lawyers forcing states is interesting how this things will develop but where we may be sure the day will develop maybe we will see for example for moments a risk in Public Places as a customary thing as we have no. Safe its a restrictions on the measured service and now where we got years during the last 20 years that reading search area searched oh yes we go straight. To airports at any public location maybe well see the same kind of range that will measure our got a temperature who are maybe you are an arab by the way because this is one of the. Major factors risk factors allo still diseases including comet 98. 00 its a major risk. Is by weight what you put in your bio idea is not going to be on li your decision is or isnt going to be at least inquire the matter of society because and the end of the day you ask a society to pick up the bill for your. Now im expelled but in later years well you may recall after how a number of scandals rob so its recently about high prices for airplane tickets 14 waiting over. Actual grams and it was it was a whole host of public questions whether companies have the right to charge high prices what its such a thing with its discrimination or not and now its that that was an innocent debate. Hes now would be. So. That the question the real question is the question off policy measures how do you. Know those things that you think beneficial for society will find people who are waiting more again as sort of a cigar or if you teach him healthy a lifestyle and teach every a school child to cook for example and in this way you try to make us a science it helps that you may not be the what the line between the line between christmas and democracy even make it into a distinction between the talkers in democracy as any other me know that democracy is on base from. Paralyzed i mean the challenge you raise in the United States from called it actually is the highest in the world and its the highest in the states with the highest rates of obesity and i heard you see recently that consumer is we just very directly related to the consumers mishear just a comment 19 is gone is not going to kill it and im just im just consumerism is a sick mix of well likely and perhaps mentally. Compromised individual that requires a lot of services when we talk about the value of human life is that really because of lives that we have. You cherish that me ask you aspire to protect me not of the United States which means a lot spend a lot on how your is on the verge of bankruptcy how carries on the verge of bankruptcy because its not sustainable there are doctors who are talking about dementia as type 3 diabetes because many diabetics go on to develop dementia and if you imagine you know this whole population of diabetics and people who are children will have to take carol i think its a question of intergenerational you know soul and diet and sharon its why should our children take care and pay for our excesses you imagine always children the general generational. As just isnt this sort of very Healthy People who want have any disabilities themselves and our children are the beneficiaries of this society which allows people to survive which helps people with various sorts of disabilities to adapt to the comment parts of society so we cant be going back to a spark and since you feel when you were born. With a 100 percent says that theres no point to what he can also go unchallenged notion of personal responsibility and stating that you owe your own good how to not only to yourself but also to society because at the end of the day this is and easily preventable problem you know we can talk about authoritative psyches but not authoritarian can actually control what you put into your mouth its only now control if it ensures very where you you know like you change a lot of money both to you and the state and also make people understand that this understanding who youll meet and dk tional program not as system of fines and on the police measures that was my point yes the society is going to be well and while diverse also in terms of house and sounds of your name were not going to change that were not. Going to have an area of the long healthy young people were going to have a lot of people on that a healthy no young. They are all a competitor its near also citizens at best they are sound workers they contribute to society and they demand subtle things decided from the side but they also contribute so this is the reality we are going to leave and were not going to make everybody house but we have as you say makes asides is currently have by by as i would say educating that i would very much argue in favor of changing did occasionally programs even gardens and in schools the younger of the children the better we do not teach them enough well we dont teach them at all meaning i am there and if i shining on their ol