A great show for you tonight lee camp sits down with b. J. Pushout a journalist and an author of 30 books a political philosopher and be executive director of the Tri Continental Institute for social research they talked about the failures of our government to deal with this crisis the demands workers should be making and much more than redacted correspondent Natalie Mcgill will talk about some mind blowing old news from Medieval Times the era the eatery then i will go into how big businesses are taking Small Business support good news for people who like breathing and how the virus is remaking the College ProcessCollege Education process but 1st lets go to that interview between we camp and v. J. The ship rashad thank you so much really there. Im a big fan of your writing you wrote an excellent article recently in which you said during a pandemic the private sector austerity model has fallen apart weve seen such a tremendous collapse of the capitalist state institutions that are supposed to help people during a crisis the guidelines for what to do have been all over the place the medical gear is not available the hospitals are overwhelmed that the test still arent widely available in the u. S. Can you talk about why it is that our institutions have failed us so it thoroughly. See you. Really. Should by the budget or government how do you know what is still gallus legal austerity should actually be called auditors or the United States government since the financial crisis of 2008 has deeply cut into these areas the area of education and social safety which is why on the one side there was no preparation for the emergency on the other side you know you have a relatively hallucination driven Political Class just not science you know they dont actually have an understanding of reality it seems to me so right. That the World Health Organization theyve led a group endemic donald trump and alex is expected 3 were trying to convince the public that this is not a big deal this was right up to mikes 11 so when you had a hallucination driven political blast certainly not going to mobilize whatever the source of that was the mood and because of austerity there are very few indeed you would try to mobilize these resources of course they didnt they did nothing this ad only hence and now theyre back. Yeah its a great way to describe it a whole use a nation driven class that that that Political Class not the ruling wealthy class youve said they are their world order is kind of crumbling the neo liberal world order is crumbling under corona shock can you explain. Yes you know i mean its 2 Different Things on the one side i think people the general public have come to understand that this austerity model has left populations otherly unprepared to deal with. Endemic and there will be more up and its a little bit more inward in the cities and if theyre not a bit slow its certainly not going to be for the next one unless you change things whether that link to this is you know the language of essential workers and the idea that medical workers nurses doctors or janet good ambulance drivers except censure is actually news to this because theres been at least 2 decades of the Union Busting against nurses against ambulance drivers and so on so i think theres a general understanding in the lack of resources lack of respect basic respect of these workers and when things are no longer an emergency will be remembered that i think thats a very important i believe that the memory of being in a crisis and seeing these essential workers must outlive the crisis itself linked to this of course was move seemed the biggest general strike global general strike which should now reveal to people that its a liver that creates wear and not entrepreneurs and once you remove leave work in the billions from the economy everything collapses its labor that creates well this is overvalued this is a. Major work in the 19th century you have spent you spent time in many countries you also study many countries and written about them how is how is india dealt with this pandemic has it been different in different areas of the country. India is the mirror of its i mean the Indian Government has this sort of new nish are as the worst you know these kind of events and it has been. You mean it sent hundreds of millions of workers Migrant Workers on the road some of them to walk almost a 1000 miles its ridiculous that mean but they have to be pockets where you see a completely different act in the indian state of get a little resistance in the southwest its ruled by ionas lived there the government. Best approach there was a lot of public action the state more or less resources exactly were moving under the tricon only institute for social research which youre the director of you put out a platform of 16 steps to confront this crisis i wanted to just talk about a few of them that you are said the the state must assume the cost of the wages during the korean teen the immediate socialization or nationalization of hospitals and medical centers so that theyre now worrying about profits and the Immediate InternationalCooperation Amongst them to find a vaccine easier testing and then the abolishment of intellectual property in the medical field can you talk especially about that one because that is something we hear nothing about on our Corporate Media airwaves. You see when a crisis in woods is governments come in with trillions of dollars of big money to bail out the private sector if youre building out of the private sector you know sensually it could be in the private sector why not just you know why would you build it out and then we drop it specially in that piece of the medical field and you know pharmaceuticals of president s and you see pharmaceutical Companies Drugs where there is dissipated profit in other words for. The rich more than that this is just a limited capitalism thats what a promise or a little governments do they all stoop would go back to on their drugs and therefore the price of the drugs a very high i wonder if you look at this carefully but most of the research for raw. We headed back to is done with money in the United States the national suitable government didnt see this you know finance universe their primary research which resulted eventually in a drug back to did by a private company a private company doesnt dilute any benefit to the government for the kind of money that is used in developing that drug because of that essentially this happens or intellectual Property Rights but private companies it doesnt predict people we need to ask what critics people that should be the primary focus for humanity is whats best for the people who know whats best for profit yeah thats a great point that were its our tax dollars that fund the research and then they exploit it and. Wont allow people to get access to it without spending our own money to get to buyback of the vaccine or the medicine weve created the platform also includes the suspension of the dollar as an International Currency why is that important right now. Weve seen what happens again in a crisis and you know crises ready or because theyve demonstrated whats normal in a room all of this crisis began and it looked like they had you know generally. A lot of rich people around the planet played really nice and came to the us brought forward all those abandoning of. This creates a big problem around the world do you whats happened is because the United States dollar by and large is used to settle. Outside the United States the u. S. Government essentially ruined as much money as it wants without having to bear the cost of its leases you know essentially exporting inflation at their best and this is ited States Government its not good for the rest of the planet and you know we have a sort of International Currency or the standard drawing rights we just use by the International Monetary fund but since the i. M. F. International Monetary Fund is essentially controlled by the u. S. Treasury department the i. M. F. Cannot make the s. D. R. Distended growing rights an International Currency in fact theyve just rejected an application by the government of venezuela to have access to its all standard or to grow rights which just sitting in washington d. C. So their own money theyre not able to access this means we dont have the ability to have i dont see outside the dollar the dollar that having the dollars and us are going to suitable for the American Government its to go to wall street but its not so good if you live in calcutta yeah but im glad you mentioned venezuela one of the other planks on the platform is to end the economic sanctions economic war on various countries and the u. S. Is doing exactly the obvious and where were amping im up we recently announced like a 15000000. 00 i think bounty on president maduro has had a which is basically unheard of for a country or. Ostensibly not at war with can you talk about venezuela and why the u. S. Is so eager to attack it well you know just when the bennett was developing the un security or the un secretarygeneral and only we did it has made a very important point keep order for the global ceasefire he said nor was lets focus on dealing with this Global Pandemic well the United States has been at war with and it will its not a conventional shooting war but its what we call a hybrid war its an inflammation or its an economic war diplomatic well its sort of what it is and so on why it is going to have to venezuela is an important its not a recent issue this is goes back to the election rule which i was in 1990 and the opening of a cycle of governments across latin america that for essentially for their resources to be used for their own you know right up to china is going to be elected the head of addicts who are which is one of the worst lie just Mining Companies in canada the head of this company used to. Call inch i was addicted to why this show is if he did it because he was going to prevent bad of gold for treating venezuela like its old property he wanted to and its really people who see him and his will as their sovereign property imagine that you kind of live in your own opposed this is a better word is concerned if you live in your old house during the day it yeah theres nothing more horrible to the corporate titans than the idea that a country might own its own resources and give the profits to their people. You know they get things are very grim right now for a lot of people a grim for workers grim for the environment grim for those of us who want peace where do you see hope in your in your work here youre studying so many of these issues and seeing this crisis unfold where do you see hope. Well you know there was a great lebanese marxist by the name of the enemy who was assassinated in 1970 in one of his writings you know he lived in Beirut Lebanon or one of his writings about the devil wrote as long as you are resisting you have not been defeated and i actually think thats almost a talisman real resisting their call we have not been defeated therefore history isnt who you know it would like to tell us that we have an extremist the things you say are crazy or whatever but that has no bearing on me what suffering is such that our resistance is essentially in fact moral and the very fact that were assisting means were not being defeated it means you know were all for the future we want to create the future and this cynicism is of no consequence to us it doesnt bother me or i agree and thank you so much i know youre always writing i think you have Something Like 30 bucks really you should work a little harder out there where work and people keep up with your writing where they should go do try going to the mental they are all very much book leave that when my next book comes out its called washington blitz with a preface by evo morales oh yes it will come out of the lockdown ends and id like to come back and talk with you or washington bullets that sounds great thank you so much thanks arrests we have to go to a short break by your 2nd home looking for something to do check out my podcast alien or versity and check out the free r. 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Received 4 point 6000000. 00 of Small Business funds yet such a Small Business sometimes Le Bron James has to clean the stadium hes just so good at getting those hard to reach places treasury secretary Stephen Newton the leader of the program and robot annoyed by human existence responded to the confusion over who and what qualifies as a Small Business certain people on the p. P. P. May have not been clear in understanding the certification so we will give people the benefit of the doubt were going to put enough a q. Out to explain the certification finally and f. A. Q. What are the questions like number one do you want to identify as a Small Business do you say like shake shack have about 6000. 00 employees are a publicly traded franchise and with a 15000000. 00 net profit and pay your c. E. O. 3800000. 00 a year then no youre not a Small Business you might have low selfesteem but if youre a big business you really are belief in yourself after some serious backlash the l. A. Lakers and shake shack pledge to return the money to the government so to 14 other publicly traded companies of which some have c. E. O. Pay higher than their multimillion dollar relief packages now whats in the governments plan for all that money that went into the wrong hands while. Theyre going to ask were. So so mr secretary are you going to request of those other countries obviously she was not alone in being a big company that got money in this region. Youre going to ask them to return the money yeah yeah were going to harvard to pay back the money. They should be taking harbor its going to you have a number of them are going to be other things partner has a 40000000000. 00 in down and i feel like they were just taking the money and make sure some businesses go under steve maneuver lay down the law if you pay back the loan right away you wont have liability to the s. B. A. And to treasury but there are severe consequences for people who dont test properly the certification there are severe consequences i dont know what they will be right now but they will be bad. And then he said oh no not this that Big Companies should apologize for taking Small Business loans now you go to your summer home in the hamptons with your mistress and you think about what youve done on that jet ski. A trump donor and multimillionaire Monte Bennett who own several Hotel Companies 1006100000. 00 in their Paycheck Protection Program loans and runs he said he given the money back the loans were originally intended for employers to continue to pay their workers when theyre shut down thats why it was called the Paycheck Protection Program and companies wouldnt have to pay the loans back of 75 percent of the loans were spent on employee payroll but monday isnt paying its staff partly because of the distribution of loans have been outsourced to big banks who collect fees for each loan they make but dont have to monitor whether the recipients used the money appropriately on monday when the fed injected another 300000000000. 00 into the fund computers crashed but