A surcharge of hundreds sometimes thousands of pounds to use the n. H. S. Themselves. Prime minister oh this is because food a great deal about this and i do accept i do understand the difficulties faced by our amazing n. H. S. Staff and like in my view the personal beneficiary of people whove come from carers who come from abroad and probably say my life as i know exactly the importance of what is on the other hand we must look at the realities that this is a a a Great National service its a National Institution it needs funding and those contributions actually help us to raise about 900000000 pounds and its very easy and very difficult in the current circumstances to find alternative sources so with Great Respect to the point he makes i do think that that is the right way forward only one day later the Prime Minister conceded the point others are warning there were 5 some extension to that since. National period many aspects of the mcgauchie a sense of being made more difficult and the looming recession may be timed into something much worse up until know the Prime Minister is having none of it and arent all jurisdictions are working hard to organise Contact Tracing on are so but the Prime Ministers off session whats the point rex that transaction extension means we are critically at risk crashing like what a data sharing dream were this critically under my article that each protect it from call it 90 where i am really cut the lakes of people in our community both have a narrow break city or politics i must respectfully disagree with your noble gentleman were working very closely not just with our car with our colleagues in the government in Northern Ireland but also with our colleagues in dublin i had a very good conversation we leo of record the other day and we saw eye to eye on on the way forward theres a huge amount shared between the u. K. And ireland and it will continue to be so. Im a normal world they come on a cruise a big gallop they say the just a slip a serious building in brussels waiting for the white smoke to map the sun in agreement in the negotiations the no of course the go she says of having to be conducted online but by skype than by assume and by all accounts theyre not going well the european trade commissioner islands phil holden has even suggested that the u. K. Is deliberately dragging its feet to cover of the impact of bracks that on though the call that recession i spoke to Daniel Kaczynski the tory m. P. From short tells us programme the euro skeptics like him and his colleagues who broke no delay in the transitional agreement the head of the new european Pressure Group and former labor m. P. Roger casale says it would be lunacy to reskin no deal breaker and make the coming recession much much worse meanwhile s. N. P. Parliamentarian neil wants a vital scottish some press may be sacrificed in the online negotiations these clear interviews are coming out later in the program but noted in glasgow we have to ensure emails and your messages thank you alex in response to last weeks you on the pandemic and you Economic Policy featuring economists the key price interest credit then got says that is a big looming recession coming mark says scrappy chance to see billions norma says scriptwriting and save money maybe white says i have to say ive to speak for a lack of independence since beginning of this crisis we could have done so much more and quicker additionally would have had a substantial all well fund by now which could have helped scotland enormously jim says i disagree we would have been in deep trouble and i voted yes for independence linda says when a scotland going to be out of luck to katie says. When our Scottish Government is absolutely sure the greatest risk is passed and not before louis says when its people are safe and thats been looked on she didnt know it before not enough people actually understand this pandemic people dont realize how close it actually is. Daniel kaczynski is an unusual conservative m. P. And now of the euro skeptic from structure hes also the greatest parliamentary champion of the rights of the polish community in the u. K. Is he happy with the current state of the negotiations Daniel Kaczynski many people are saying its time for a delay in the transitional a time table given the prevailing suck up stances why should opinion on that but i have the along with other conservative than these urged the Prime Minister to ensure that we respect that deadline of the 31st of december the biggest exports to the European Union to my constituency salop design and engineering big manufacturing exporters they say to me our biggest problem is the ongoing uncertainty of what our new trade relationship will be going with the European Union we want to get on with it its the uncertainty which is how bring our ability to make whatever necessary changes are required and to plan for the future how the a list is that given the 20 walking groups who havent been able to to meet physically have been doing all the conversations by zoom that the 2 lead negotiator as david frost and Michel Barnier above been ill is that really realistic to set this n. D. A deadline under the prevailing circumstances we joined the European Economic community on the day our it was all on the 24th of january night in 72 and since that time weve handed over according to the house of Commons Library 620000000000 pounds of taxpayers money these are staggering amounts of money and if the European Union brunson good healthy new relationship with the United Kingdom it has to be predicated on respecting the fact that we are an independent sovereign 3rd party and that access. That you are fishing rights is not going to be on the table in the way that they would like and we are not going to the fray agree to that hearing to the European Court of justice and all the rules and regulations that they want to impose on the United Kingdom we want to free trade deal we have a trade deficit with them of 71000000000. 00 pounds a year so if we went through went to w t o terms alec they would lose out for far more than we were because their companies would have to pay far more in judys than our companies would have to pay them so lets have a meaningful sensible Free Trade Agreement but showing one another jew respect as independent 3rd party interlocutors the the irish trade commissioner in the last week has said that he doesnt think the u. K. Are negotiating seriously enough heading for the dreaded no deal black said after all is that any truth and that allegation at no stage alec has the European Union sought to impose the sort of conditions on any other country whether its canada or any other country that they are seeking to impose on the United Kingdom that is practically not feasible and it will lead to when no deal unfortunately if the European Union dont change their stance to betray what the british people voted for to sell out at this stage to allow the European Court of justice to override that decisions of the British Supreme Court would not be delivering brecks it and it would create a massive disconnect between ourselves as the governing party and millions of people across the country who voted for and believe in bracks said and continue to believe in it daniel petitions. Youre been a great champion of the the rapes of the polish community in the United Kingdom your contempt and satisfied with the way that the settled status provisions are working out and has the home secretary come out of the bases and marking earth contribution of the european nationals to the United Kingdom well thats a very good question and by the way we celebrate the extraordinary contribution that poles make to scotland wales Northern Ireland and england there are now over 900000 poles living and contributing in this country and is the 1st ever polish born british member of parliament i take a great interest in how these peoples contribution is celebrated and how their rights are protected i dont want immigration to be in the top 5 issues june in the Election Campaign i want us to focus on our differences between funding schools and hospitals immigration should not be in the top far 5 issues at the general election and if we can convince the british people that immigration is working in their interests and is being done in the sustainable and managed way then i can see in our lifetimes immigration not being the key issue or the election times that unfortunately its become over the last 3 or 4 general elections and fight the way. You were celebrating as one of the countrys leading blacks of teals at the end of january of this year the formal exit from the European Union and you expect to be celebrating again on hogmanay the zambo the theft of fuss that the final seal was put on that exit by the salinger for a new trade agreement. Well alec ive heard some people say to be. Traitor to the polish cause because i have voted for brets it how can an immigrant to this country vote for brecks it and they call it hypocritical i would answer them by saying theres it is up to us now to demonstrate that having voted to lead the European Union we can have and will have just a Strong Military ties with these countries through nato and opportunities to engage with one another in commercial. Transactions but also academic and other exchanges to the to the degree that the European Union countries have done so thus far but without being in a Political Union without abandoning our sovereignty that is the challenge if we succeed then of course we will be celebrating and others will be joining us if we fail then of course the whole concept of having another referendum and taking us back to the European Union is one that we will have to grapple with but i would not recommend that this path to my constituents in 2016 unless unless i was absolutely convinced that after an experiment of 48 years of membership of this organization it was not working in the National EconomicStrategic Interests of the United Kingdom i stand by that decision and i look forward to working with the European Union countries try a new position of independence and sovereignty and that celebration will be conducted with scotch whiskey polish fought on english sparkling wine daniel. I have to admit i should not mean it but my always drink scottish whisky because its the best. Alcove. Thank you very much should be. Thank you join us after the break will be discussed follow well the end of the year will be the end of the light for britain and europe. No shots. Actually felt. A strong know. Which your thirst for action. Part of something is better than 100 percent of nothing and so losing money has is part of the Money Laundering model as a model of Business Model and we look at these unicorns the startups and Silicon Valley like the ones you mentioned we work. And waste there goober. We were list theyre all losing money exponentially so many after the asters stuff well maybe the model is to lose money and so cool there is laundering the money who is laundering the money. Welcome by the stake in the world demick to blow the european issue off the front pages of the russia to solly of the former labor m. P. Says the government still playing fast and loose with britains interests and get a budget consolidate joins me from italy great to be back and its great seeing. What is your key feels about the state of the negotiations on the. Table through the transitional agreement that are going on at the present moment what difficulties do you say well my principal fear alex is the one that ive always had and and its the one i think that is a part of the minds of creation of a good and the heads of states of the 27 e. U. Member states they must be asking themselves are the British Government in good faith i mean this was something that they can say public late but it must be this or in the back of their minds and this is something much in a campaign you know sation might you europeans can say it creates and we do its very difficult to understand what the British Government are playing absalom over what they think they are doing its what the British Government must do is to request and extension or italy or a little bit of an extension the British Government must accept that but at the moment it simply is no process that happening and therefore. Britain will leave without a deal but hope possible motivation for the u. K. Government david frost shaft the lead negotiator have for not attempting to come to an agreement what would be the political motivation for for such a stance it may well if you have i think a case we can wrap up the economic damage of no deal breaks it by blaming it on the fallout from the candidate crisis so d people somehow will not notice because it will be so bad anyway that is totally irresponsible calculating manipulative. If that is what the game is and it will be its behavior that weve seen for the 1st time were now youre all part of the labor party have been pretty quiet about the issue. Of an extension in the house of commons do you think that the new leaders of kill starmer just bought some clever and waiting is time or do you think the Labor Party Im genuinely ambiguous about whether there should be an extension or not well i it thats a very good question. And yes the labor party is a very broad church and there will be different points of view but theres just elected a new leader were going to overwhelmingly majority and he has a clear mandate in the im sure. Hes a very intelligent man he will see the folly of the conservatives policy its not request seen an extension and it is surprising that he hasnt been so stepped up and called for that extension and i hope he will do that there is a petition house who comes to shinku. Extension which has thousands and 1000 people signing uniting close your views to sign it we all need to not just clap our hands every every day for the n. H. S. Crocus and the wonderful work is going on around our communities when its also be carrying the drum for an extension because things are going to get much worse for all of us if britain leaves the e. U. The end of the year were going to do and one of your stammers early vote to lose has been to force the Prime Minister into concession on charges in the National Health service for m. H. S. And care workers who are or are cs nationals those that give the new europeans a cottage meant that there might be further concessions on the vexed the shoes of settled status and other matters which are jeopardizing the prospects as a Campaigning Organization do you see that as something of a breakthrough for for hopefully more concessions to come here that is very encouraging alex and help say that although i would like to some its a big. He called for an extension and im a little bit disappointed that hes not doing that i and he has been very very good indeed over long period of time to call he was leader as well very committed to the issue of rights free use of a centrist and that is continued now in which to the government he he took up our our calls so elusive a sense be given the vote in all elections as has happened in scotland very possibly therefore its close governments have given you citizens to vote on and id like to see only you citizens have to vote in the you cannot and case only. Finally raja consolidate the spite the best campaigning efforts of the europeans and many other pro europe argument is ations the reality is that the bread in the house brags that you see only the levels of hope for the future and your prime paling effort says the new europeans well what i often say to cliques in Continental Europe and inside the European Union is if you want to find the strongest pro european be in europe you need to look nickel tell me United Kingdom and especially scotland and so i think that its a case of not knowing what you have until its gone Something Else and we have to go in because i didnt leave it when they will rejoin the European Union when it does alex i think people need to understand as i think many do in scotland i may say said so europe is not just the interests also Community Values i think we can learn a lot from scotland and the way with scotland understands that we have multiple identities we can be scottish it is europe. And we dont have to kind of almost spite our face by meeting year in units just because we think we have to be british rather than european we can be toast and i think when that pa