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You can find more information about both of those verifications on our website and you tube channel but one irony our guest identifies in his new book is that britain was once the envy of the world when it came to handling epidemics Contact Tracing was pioneered against cholera in londons soho area and so what can we learn from past pandemics how they transform the world professor Frank Snowdon author of epidemics and society from the black death to the present joins me now via skype from rome in this early frank welcome to going underground before we get to the book which i think is being read by more and more people than maybe you even expected tell me about how you contract it coded in rome and why youve dedicated your life way before coronavirus to the study of pandemics and epidemics yes one devoted so many years to pandemic diseases because it seems to me there are a wonderful way forward. Understanding how societies function and their put together their values the relationships between people their Economic Systems that is to say i think that there are sort of like a Looking Glass in which society can see itself plus ive become increasingly aware that epidemic diseases have really substantially transformed societies and are part of the major picture of how societies are who volved and have a decisive impact in that so theyre also extremely important as were learning now with cove at 19 i was living in rome the virus broke out and i called that fortunately i had a very mild case that because arguably here is now a epicenter here in london to just say that it wouldnt surprise you that pandemics linked to capitalism in its destruction of forests say you talk in the book of the laws of the marketplace negative externalities at the end of the book actually yes indeed what youre saying i think is vital to understand whats happening that is to say we have a model of industrial growth that is rapaciousness and pays no attention to extra knowledge is as you say as we progress of leader story animal habitat were bringing animals and human beings into contact with each other in ways that never happened or sold them out and in the past that is now with increasing frequency and its not surprising then that we have. Ever greater number of spillover events in which diseases that is viruses in particular are transferred minted crossed the species barrier between out of wild animals and human being. And anyone reading your book would also not be surprised by the fact that today government say in nato countries are saying that the economic pandemic as it were will kill more than the coronavirus pandemic just tell me how in your book you show epidemics completely transform countries from the haitian revolution to the 812 french invasion of russia the Louisiana Purchase that created the modern United States as we know it we should expect political transformation from epidemics we should absolutely this goes back to the very earliest of. Demick pandemic diseases one can even go back to the playground thems everything about it and was transformed 1st geopolitically athens army is devastated and loses the war to sparta and sparta then becomes the hedge in modern power are rather than out and with in the classic war and we also hear from 2 cities that democracy is destroyed we hear out and something that sounds very familiar had long been a welcoming place for immigrants known as medics are but during the results of this pandemic things beat we see a surge of xenophobia and the great democratic leader paraplegia darrens of the disease i should say that anyone tuning in actually greece has performed very well come comparably than coronavirus terms but you mentioned para clis supposedly the u. K. Prime minister morris johnsons hero does it make you smile when you hear the especially warlike rhetoric about coronavirus employed by Bharath Johnson and donald trump of course now as the us in circles china with bases do you see parallels there as of the rhetoric really ramps up now about china. Being responsible as it were for the coronavirus pandemic to suit parallels in the scapegoating and blaming been very a red line linking these Events People were blaming immigrants and afternoons this we were just talking about and we see during hiv aids that homosexuals were blamed and one is shocked but not surprised to see the blame china and here and its ministrations saying officially that its the chinese disease the womb han disease and so thats i think a very unfortunate and very anti Public Health measure well arguably of course the w. H. O. Has fewer and fewer resources now the United States apparently have peers to be pulling back funding for it but you do say that we must understand the virus itself that the disease is not random and that it virus like corona virus is selective and exploits what humans create rather nationalities i should absolutely i would argue that diseases are known for its societies that create the power of ways by which diseases reach them and i would call this the 1st rate disease of globalisation and so no its not by chance that virologists have been saying for quarter of a century now that a pulmonary pandemic is in there to ball as part of our future and now weve seen that its actually arrived many people by know that cull mox predicted monopoly capitalism arguably but youre writing about how our Economic System is created the fault lines upon which. And tb or cholera travel you think theres something we can learn from marx prefiguring this too well. Marx was not thinking about disease on the other hand his description of a repair shows industrialization process on a global scale are rings true enough and i do believe that this virus is demonstrating something he would have understood which is the tendency of the disease to exploit the fault lines of poverty and disadvantage and we can see that that is precisely what coke at 19 is doing it is a disease if you look at a city like new york city that the its the poor and the United States poverty is inflected with ethnicity and so its ethnic minorities have double and triple the rates of death from coke at 19 and then internationally we see that now covert 19 is ramping up to become a great disease of the global south its impossible to practice our means of defense in the industrial north or social distancing and washing your hands if you live in. In the shores of mumbai these tournaments that are densely packed with 10 People Living in a room a social distancing is meaningless and hygiene is impossible in an environment in which so often and wonder are actually have to be purchased on a daily basis and are not freely accessible when youve been studying all these epidemics from time immemorial does it surprise you that elites dont seem to comprehend that they are only as strong as the most vulnerable time and time and time again i mean why is it that the mistakes are made repeatedly throughout the book by elites this is one of the distressing aspects of our past isnt it is. It seems people very quickly for one thing have amnesia after there is a sudden flurry of thinking about these events soon after theyve happened and also theres been a more sinister aspect which is this sense that the bar poor are actually guilty. Theres been a terrible tension between social classes particularly with those diseases that preferentially attack the disadvantage and so the blame game begins on a rich magnified level and we see this in the tensions this may be one of the factors that made the bloody repression of the not and the 19th century event such as the repression of the revolutions of 848. 00 tonight and the Paris Commune were in part i think the violence was magnified by the a sense of elites that the disease was the fault of what they called the dangerous classes and one can see this in covert 19 in the United States at the moment were of the far right of Rural America in the n. T. Lockdown protests was flaming places like new york city and the poor. And i was with the hoping to withhold sort of payments of social Network Benefits from places that they regarded as underserved playing and dangerous im not far from a so in london here do you think its ironic that i mean some estimates show britain being perhaps the worst in death numbers or excess deaths at the running averages in the world and you talk in the book famously of john snow under 50 years ago pioneering Contact Tracing and yet britain one of its words that actions here was to stop all Contact Tracing with entire. Really agree with that as a desperately sad irony britain not only did pioneer Contract Tracing but it also was the home of the Sanitary Movement in the 19th century with remarkable on making cities safe and hygiene ect so its terribly ironic that britain should be in one of the worlds leaders and thats partly because it not because its unhygienic but because it failed to be prepared and failed to follow the dictates of science which said that we have just a couple of weapons for dealing defending ourselves from this disease and social distancing and testing and Contact Tracing are the only weapons we have and so it was remarkable that britain and the United States were partners and also brazil in not being willing at the outbreak of this epidemic to put those practices into effect to protect the society well the books out now epidemics in society probably sales figures higher than your wildest expectations professor franks didnt thank you thank you so much has been a pleasure after the break as coronavirus likes worldwide Domestic Violence the un special rapporteur dubrovnik a similar of it john barths on the britain one of the countries like that to be a put is russia not to ratify a groundbreaking convention on violence against women plus indias socalled communist coronavirus level parallel population 35000000. 00 deaths fewer than 50. 00 or more coming over via 2 of going underground. Is the United States hell bent on self destruction and them if the dramatic economic turndown and then our massive civil. Rest on point to get my goodness to the point of also targeting our car watching the liberal or species playbook in our. Welcome back in the 1st hour of the program we discussed the conservative liberal austerity that arguably facilitated the u. K. Having the highest rate of deaths from coronavirus among countries that produce comparable data maybe but how has that austerity exacerbated the crisis for those at risk of Domestic Violence joining me now as governors are grabbing traitors the u. N. Repertoire on violence against women its causes and consequences to braga some of it thank you so much to the ruckus out of the coronavirus lockdowns in the main effect of violence against women thank you very much for inviting me during her career and i look down now it is clear that whom is not safe place and during global downs we mean and children are confined in different places that could be places of domestic weiland serve even Family Services and there is problem with services that are needed to prevent such cases a while and in such situations hole is not a safe place so there are now all situations something crease just remain and the government should be aware that they need to provide their for different measures that are needed to prevent such even during because wed like to bounce now heres the expected to say that as a un special rapporteur but i understand you believe that cove id is illuminating preexisting conditions in societies that especially with respect to Domestic Violence against women youre right because there are preexisting inequalities in shortcoming send forms of gender based violence that. His wife spread in different parts of the world there are Different Levels of violence and there are Different Services available or not available even before the court so for example in some stays there are no shelters but in states where there are shelters we have to see if shelters are only libelled then for example protection orders hotline schell clients different types of for Police Interventions they should be open and accessible is essential so we have to really call all governments all around the world tool or look into prevention measures to see which type of player helplines could be available source sometimes it is even s. M. S. Messages differently the types of floor messages that could be sent to all Grocery Stores or or pharmacies are signaling the Domestic Violence and so on and so there are there are good examples there giving a vision can i just talk about the core centers because britain is one of the last countries to ratify the 2012 Istanbul Convention i mean what would you say to countries that say they couldnt afford it here in britain we had to bail out the city of london in 20008 came under some criticism from your then colleague un special rapporteur on poverty and thats why britain could not adhere to the convention of requirements for 24 hour help lines that alone the plight of Migrant Women is that by convention is providing girl eagerly binding standards in area of preventing domestic role in central and 2nd stream in the same level of standards serve we also have in United Nation Nations Convention on diminish an a for forms of discrimination against women there are more general but through our soft leuchter pretty chanelled. Convention basically those requirements that are in the symbol convention are also to global level in c. The convention sold those states that are not seeing possibility now like u. K. Orders from our council of europe or region to ratify the symbol convention they should be aware that they have those obligations also under United Nations see the convention and the correlation and elimination of while and 2nd suman we should be aware that are you know cases of domestic current context family sites are done by intimate partners are done by family members there right there is served increased risk for women in such a tree and when we look at data from the naked nations. Un r. D. C. Agency a whale a bowler its their website we can see their turn out of 10 persons killed in the context of intimate Partner Violence more than 80 percent are women and as United Nations special report on my aunts against women i should call all states to establish a family said watch ok weve ever just very quickly though if the obligations are there anyway under the u. N. Charters or resolutions then you can understand why britain or russia russia has not rather 5 the convention you can feel dont want to maybe because of the obligations of their area what the point of is they will go over to obligations clearly expressed in the Summer Convention because theyre very specific and theyre showing what are those legally binding norms they should be included International Legislation so are there are more precise soul for that reason countries are seeing them in a more legally binding manner that is really spelling and our education but in the long grants all those states that are not yet able to react if a simple convention they will do it because there are. Theyre currently also using some buyouts of those standards in order to improve down issue legislation so the point is that each symbol convention is you know a as a legally binding stronger it is charmed or implementation the mechanisms server and monitoring mechanisms there are Different Levels of morning touring that are really showing back at the National Level what i have gaps and what the governments are not doing in line with International Law the u. K. Is either 49 percent apparent increase in helpline calls a drink over it spain 30. 7 percent and reported cases in russia doubling under the lockdown i just want to finally in the time we have are about what youre hearing from palestine because i understand your one of the 1st rapporteurs to visit palestine in 2016 after a long absence of un rapporteurs britain sending record amounts of arms to israel what are you hearing about the effect of Domestic Violence from kovi of invalid respect to all states since we are also under a log announces a special report not able to travel i am receiving information so also sure well my sources so i can also include it on my website all for all stakeholders whats been states nongovernmental organisations in the bent institutions to send me information about trouble and related still violence against women during the current 19 pandemic so now i am receiving a lot of informations and we are so much in the middle so its not easy to assess for example they tell you is not truly comparable the same is solved palestine israel and all of the states and when i resisted the state of palestine and israel i here we commended collection for example of family say they and eve duelled also inclusion of genocide watch analysis of cases in order to see how to prevent such cases and if. But in general it is a problem the data because many steves will not collect as many city of the town different forms of violence against women and we have to all are now law in direction of really connecting the towie to laws and policies and government responsibility is to act and to prevent so while incidence to men and girls you have special operator thank you thank you. Well if the side of communist cuban doctors in nato countries saving lives is one thing news of a coronavirus slayer in communist carol or in india is another arguable nightmare for supporters of near liberal capitalism joining me now via skype from carola is carolus communist Health Minister k. K. Shall a job credited with masterminding a coronavirus strategy that could have saved countless lives all around the world thank you so much minister for coming on obviously carrying our population of 35000000 if we took britains maybe 60000 dead figure we would expect maybe. 30000 dead in carola but you havent seen 30000 dead in kerala what is the situation there like that dont make the guard over 100 and dark its as false a few cases i am because of largely of the barriers the individual desires out of there are many that have been buried 8 of the baby get their day and or their governor and discharged from the hospital. But our 2nd phase started again very new globe it irgun did it let locked up in march and april it. It was easy to remember the floor from our safe to get lunch and we did now do with that but some sort of dont order need to go and because our goal was to court and isolation and treatment the curator the was in 2 cases and they plan to make good out of it but im a graph become low and weve lived in the gulf but after that event a lot of them leave dead and the again their target begin the graphic it shows that ace and that there has been or there has been a rise i understand in the in the past few days but up until recently you have only had a handful of deaths the 4 International Airports were closed down but why is it that you and your policy was to test and treat us in britain the decision was made to stop all tracing yes we have testing the symptomatic cases yes cleaning. Yet leasing and screening them limited and or so if they are coming from someplace you know what jack was to be up testing each and every body and symptomatic cases we actually fitting to the hospital as implementing it you dont want current day stick to plumb current day and we have rights in each houses and with the help of the doctors have government and police and help are good its good to do not need a mobile phone app or are you doing this with people yes we have it good and that it would be a man as the nation among the poor and evicted joint vote would be going to do what we have doing everything here if people travel to britain they have to pay for their own quarantine in care or the government the communist government pays for the quarantine. Made of a Public Health system here and. Be percent dead approach and to be have a. Diverse everybody can create Awareness Among the people here to implement our strategy 157 we have. Had all of us dont go home and here and it is under the leadership of communist party and also. Socialistic approach and the centralized approach and after that given for that to be centralized planning and i think because we have a system be created a system here and c debt under the base of that system. Managing these things with the help of the poor in associated manna and just finally and briefly carola is now producing its own p p Protection Equipment is that right we are reducing now but it is not some fission we have buying from other places also look to riyadh collecting from our that part of. The country dont even have their scarcity for these been b. But now because it would amount and now we have sufficient using b. P. A profit of it and we are protecting our had to have it because property and we have separate b. P. At night and 95 miles to each individuals been do that then we have protecting our theres probably Health Minister thank you. Thank you very much and thats it for the show will be back a wednesday 73 years since goldman later killed by the ira proposed indian politicians which would kill or displace 16000000 people until that wash your hands join the underground by following us when you present a Facebook Instagram account. Seemed wrong. Rowles just dont call. Me. Yet to shape out these days thats ok and in detroit equals betrayal. When so many find themselves worlds apart we choose to look for common ground. Thinking of getting a new phone the ones we got in here shows no problem was he didnt know until he was trapped in this tiny little wired how much were going to need a crate with him he will just start freaking out and he will want to spray them anywhere near. 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A truck plows into protesters as bylane demonstrations rage across america over the killing of black man george floyd while white Police Officer solidarity process take place across the u. K. Despite warnings about social distancing. Englands next stage of lockdown easing comes into force with the reopening of the Outdoor Markets and car show rooms. In the schools begin to reopen for today but one puts back the date of a member of staff to test positive for corona virus thats as a county Council Advice to schools to delay reopening i meet fears of a 2nd ill be joined by the leader of Lancashire Councils labor tory. And privacy campaigners prepare legal action against the u. K. Government after claims that personal data from the n. H. S. To Contact Tracing out could be stored for 20 years ill be talking to a previously activist. Welcome to r. T. U. K. To the us 1st where tens of thousands of protesters have again been venting their anger at the death of an unarmed black man at the hands of police its not a week since george floyd died in minneapolis as a result of a white 0 percent kneeling on his neck with city is a blaze ravaged and looted at least 40 have imposed curfews to try to contain the on the most. Well in washington d. C. An initially peaceful march descended into another night of disorder with several fires breaking out near the white house while in new york violence escalated as night fell. I. Was sprayed about like 15 minutes ago. There was a person. Why is john by a cop in like a white uniform in that a couple cops in the uniforms i dont know the difference. I tend to feel like i put my body was legal and there were times i end up just breaking the. Rule. Was bill in minneapolis where floyd died a tanker driver speeds street protesters on a road that had to be closed to the Public Officials dont think anyone was hit the driver was then apparently assaulted by protesters and spent a short time in hospital has since been charged with assault georget floyds entente spoken to r. T. About the loss and says the publics reaction has been overwhelming. Everybody go to jail if you dont believe you can watch that and you know why but i probably am but you come from you know our you know no one will. Know what i mean show no 5. To do that to any human being im just so you know im overwhelmed by the response that were getting to the love and for us. Just trying to take it all in because we really like me because im grieving my nephew with the world and justice is there for for joe wage floated. To be convicted of murder. And is murder 3 just planning to just trolling murder a murder spree just toying with the Family College for the 1st time i call it what it is thats murder. That could be anybody sister brother mother and what she said. My mama was my heart. If you were young if you dont look like theyre. Normal hard. Well meanwhile solidarity process of taking place in cities across the u. K. Including london manchester and cardiff in the capital thousands gathered at Trafalgar Square before marching to the u. S. Embassy despite the sets to disperse the crowd 5 arrests were made 3 for breaching coronavirus legislation. The mississippi today i dont think the government really. Do you i know i know we are human we are human beings thats what the government needs to realise the i. Q. Beings we are not animals we are. And the reason why we do the protests weve got lies lies because black lies havent moved since the beginning of time and the way that the system is designed serves of protect every other community that is not black and every other nation that is not black white people who have been on the receiving end of the please retell it see and use and the murder and the constant genocide every day that happens to our people and we need to raise awareness because that of white people going somewhat what we have to experience is that people do experience that to use their oppression dont think its a feeling so yeah were out here starting out today to stump for that and fight for that distance but instead of that were fighting for that today and hopefully we can raise it with raise more awareness but all the process justified as a time when mass gathering still pose a health risk to the wider public would discuss the issue in the next hour. Nightengale its not down easing has entered its 2nd phase today with the reopening of primary schools and Car Dealerships and families are to meet in private gardens that statistics show that britains fear of coronavirus is decreasing week by week well i had ever been i was born this year so what is the latest well today is of course the start of the 10th week of the lockdown period but today is also the day where we move into the next phase as well so primary schools and Outdoor Markets and car showrooms are all back in business as of today and while many people across the country would really welcome the lifting of the lockdown not everybody is completely happy especially considering some scientists are still warning of that our number and how it could possibly go up we could also see a 2nd wave and 2nd peak of the corona virus so some saying its far too soon of course though today as i say schools are reopening but its not all schools its only years one and 6. 00 and indeed reception however 50 percent of parents are saying that they will be keeping their kids at home looking wider afield than of easing off the lockdown measures were seeing that markets are also reopening of course the iconic camden lock is preparing to get back into business however with strict with strict restrictions being put in place to keep it as safe as possible now the chancellor rushes soon up here today was actually at one of londons markets and he says he wants to get Public Confidence back up and running its absolutely safe and weve got a very clear plan that weve been sticking to throughout this whole process is dealing with the road of ours and were now at the stage of that plan where we can get our lives a little bit more back to normal. So vicious or not theyre really quite optimistic and of course he is the man at the center of the Economic Impact of the Coronavirus Crisis so he as well as others are try and encourage peoples attitudes to be a bit more optimistic Going Forward and according to the office for National Statistics attitudes are changing as data shows that fear surrounding corona virus has gone down significantly with 9 out of 10 leaving their homes between may the 21st and the 24th now last week 41 percent of people did feel scared or vulnerable leaving the house but that number has gone down quite a lot just 29 percent of people feel unsafe however 98 percent of people claim to be abiding by the social distancing rules so that certainly didnt look like the case if we look at images coming from londons parks where people were clearly flouting social distancing and meeting many more than just one of those today again we have a new rule in place whereby now people can meet 6 people outside the house at any one time however as far as the government is concerned its all about that number and they want to keep the number well below want to stop the 2nd wave of the coronavirus and just as a reminder Boris Johnson has always said that he would not hesitate to reverse any measures if a need when being made. Thank you very much indeed thank you. Well lets take a look at how corona virus is affecting the u. K. s home nations according to individual Health Authorities there have been 115 deaths across the u. K. Since sunday n. H. S. England house reported 198 hospital death the scottish 1st minister i Northern Ireland post reported one death across all settings wales has announced 5. Or the scottish 1st minister has warned scots that if they keep breaking the law going into law a warning comes off to Scottish Police reported over 700 dispersals on saturday alone. The 1st minister of wales has announced that more people from to have souls are now allowed to meet out of doors for up to 6 the currently allowed to meet in england absent all the islands and up to 8 for them to have souls can meet in scotland. And Northern Ireland is facing a potent threats to its stability and prosperity according to the house of lords and European Union committee it says the impact of coronavirus and post threats it trading uncertainty could undermine the countrys economic model and potentially even its political stability. And now lets see how the condom make is looking globally over 6100000 people have been infected according to Johns Hopkins university which collates worldwide data there have been more than 372000 deaths and over 2600000 recoveries. Coming up after the break. Primary schools in england start to reopen but Lancashire County Council Advices its schools against the move ill be joined by the leader of the councils labor group. Privacy activist ok legal option one of the governments Contact Tracing out amid claims that officials could still personal data for up to 20 minute is obviously looking to a previously campaigned on. Is the United States hell bent on selfdestruction and then make a dramatic economic turndown and now massive civil unrest all point to decline could this have been avoided also targeting hong kong watching the new liberal for species playbook indians are. Joining me every thursday on the alex salmond show and ill be speaking to guest of the world of politics sports business im show business ill see you then. Welcome back englands primary schools are preowned as britain further eases its coronavirus restrictions the government insists classes are now safe but parents teachers and educational thought she is a still wary about their health risks r. T. C. Is around the reports the United Kingdom england the worlds and throw england in particular has decided to open the doors of schools in the in the country however not everyone seems to be going along with that plan here in northwest london this girls school has decided not to open its doors as have many others and it would also appear that local authorities as well disagree on but also interesting lee and most importantly sage the Scientific Advisory group for emergencies which have been acting as the main Government Advisors throughout this crisis have also warned against opening schools too quickly for fear of a 2nd peak bill really concerned that the level of being to be across the country as a whole is too high at the moment to open the schools now the Prime Minister Boris Johnson has announced 5 tests that must be passed in order for different areas of the country to reopen once more but as far as some teachers are concerned the decision to reopen classrooms should be left and the Risk Assessment for that should be left down to the schools themselves and every individual school will have to. Assess us to see it for students for teachers all the staff etc. And even each assess the east. Will be small models of maybe 67. 00 depending on the size of the classroom however for those schools who have followed the governments advice to. Reopened there are new rules and regulations in place including having no more than 15 children per classroom and encouraging more regular washing but also trying to get children to keep to the 2 metre social distancing rule which is difficult if anybody whos a parent or a teacher will understand that it is for those reasons that some parents and doubtful that these measures will even be effective in the 1st place my son of my niece nephew has been very worried they dont know whats gotten school that i couldnt say my concern is that my son will be coming back with a virus as he will be the scientists and my stanley a little its a Little Family members and at the moment number of peace actually going up. And we dont have to simply now for those teachers who perhaps are fearful of their own safety and dont want to return back to School Government dont seem to be implementing any type of punishment for them it seems to be a decision that will be left to teachers whether they themselves feel like its safe to go back to school again thats just a problem in england and wales scotland and Northern Ireland these issues of all been delegated to the local authorities there and theyve all decided not to open their school doors just yet since some cases it wont be until august at the earliest and so there are thats left some questioning why the apparent rush to reopen school gates here in england you finally we can punch we need which is on the border between scotland and england. Street children will be looking to reach. On the either side to st because here in scotland they are not reaching to school so it does make sense i think step with scotland wales and all my linde. Well meanwhile a Government Spokesperson says schools remain open over the summer is not being ruled out that says Lancaster County council a northwest england has advised as local schools to delay reopening the move comes to to fears the governments 5 tests for the easing of lockdown measures have not yet been met before june the 1st scores were open only to Vulnerable Children and that was a key workers the council has said they have no confidence that reopening schools to more pupils now wont risk a 2nd peak. Well for more on this and are joined by the leader of Lancashire Councils labor group has our alley as i think you very much for joining us well any measures lets look at what they are they include thing that classrooms more had washing and cleaning of the classroom why isnt your council confident with these new safeguards all these measures are going to contribute to try and minimise the risk or interaction but whats clear is many of our schools are quite old school the classrooms are very small and of cities arent suitable for green or a large number of kids back into school and many schools are also concerned that retention its a real problem and there is a set of rules that the School Governing bodies are reacting to the teacher should and our responsibility as a local authority is to make sure her look looks are good work with the suits but we also make sure that we minimize the risks. And because of the governments Foreign Tourists very clear that we want to share which is one of the big disappointments whos in the country that the capacity to test interest is not rare and we dont have the resilience systems employers which can support the schools and therefore we are schools who actually yorker the problem is that theres a balance and i mean children in the meantime theyre missing out parts of their education are by and also the social activity thats necessary for them as well. Absolutely i mean are lots of parents im a parent percent of will say that kids of a word that you know theyre watching to get that school and thats absolutely right but we know a lot of schools that are more schools have been setting more works through i mean zoom calls or sending things through switzerland which means electronically and contact intruded on a daily basis and contacting parents schools our teachers have been working throughout this whole lockdown and working really hard in diligent rate but what were going to ensure is that we do not believe that schools airy and risk a 2nd marriage because that would be absolutely chances for each other or that there were some bored children at home lots and children who are really sick and end up in hospital the problem is that its not just a kid says its also we have to look at the parents i mean schools have to react because the parents are having to go back to work out like. Absolutely we cant be in lockdown as dominant rob said forever however were going to balance that with safety and sage the governments very own and scientific advice is sent very clearly that didnt think schools should reopen on the 1st of june and not some schools have and obviously they feel very sorry for them to do so with reception in year one and year 6 children we cannot open a whole school and risk that chance more is also important is in lancaster we had to run a campaign because the Political Leadership wasnt prepared so very schools and because the unions that had teachers governors parents actually all rallied together and said to the conservative ministration you will keep answering them say it in a safety 1st response were able to get that advice and i think its really important and every school reevaluated sells every week or every 2nd week to see whether or not access but well take advice from our director of Public Health dr sceptic karen if they lose one of their senior lieutenants because in the country and once we have the capacity like your test interest then i think its the right time for schools to reconsider their position of the issue they said about Sick Children ive been a scientific were such a test that children are less prone to catching the virus. Well theres different virus in those children weve seen it on several recent screens youll true got Congress Actually diseased if this is linked to the 19 theres a little going to guard the younger teenagers so theres not. Actually children are immune to coleridge 19 but they can be carriers and if there are 2 areas theyre going to bring all so thats only some of them even extended families with only grandparents or move to generational comeliest a separate room where youve got going to seize to lose still a significant risk and it only needs one person or want to actually contract coleridge and the school have to be short brown and then we have to have do cleans and you have to then test interest under 2 children and their families and work and worried and that she would cause a lot more problems for the n. H. S. A lot more problems which. I think thats where we need to be careful but were going to also be mindful that you know we want to get to school but interrogation and thats something that Everyone Wants cancer as i really thank you for joining us if you. Were present campaigners are preparing to launch legal action against the government amid concerns over the collection of personal data relating to the n. H. S. Contact tracing app the open rights group is that a draft and open letter detailing its worries about how much patient data will be collected by the n. H. S. And for how long that data will be retained it follows a statement from Public Health england which warn that personal information including phone numbers and addresses will be kept by the government for 20 years Health Officials say the state always needed to control future outbreaks but campaigners have raised concerns the data could end up with Government Departments such as the home office the government claims existing Data Protection laws are sufficient what discuss the implications and im joined by professor campaign a touch of as tom thank you for joining us doesnt the government need full scale access to personal data or the test of trace am simply wont work. To be honest i think theyre collecting far too much data is what they currently needs i think this is a variance the likes of which the u. K. They really hasnt seen before and frankly to be honest because they are now isnt ready to launch. Where they are they would need to collect it quite as much states as and they couldnt be art because they could lose the essential element or essentially what weve made again because there isnt why theres no way for these and trucking traces who are going from you to the ends of the time so its so essentially anybody could follow that as an expense if i can trace it under century stammen so really this is quite secure as an issue im right in where theyre going to describe what is the decentralized model what is a defense or what the government is proposing now and what people like you are suggesting as an alternative ok so what the governments are going with at the moment is essential as mobile so that means all data they store is on a centralized which means whoevers access that segment that has access to all d where does it get essentially eyes mobile data that would be stored on a persons phone and could only be cared for and so it as a social. Whole saying that would still tell you if you are encountered a person who is the quote the op and co 1000 and it will pick up Public Health thing and say they need the state of the 20 years to help control future app breaks i mean to make set that argument. No to be hoist honest i feel with the 20th century paid is far too long or my opinion and it dont make me question exactly why it is they need it for so long because on the current data loss they are technically allowed to share these this data with relevance and arties now whos to say in the future that these their parties wonder where kind of moment for some sort integration with you chad i think thats really concerned well weve been hearing for years the government spawn peoples personal data these are the allegations i mean given that people care any more it is a total data privacy in the 21st century actually impossible. I do see the point but i think thats a really negative way of looking out to be honest because in my opinion data clive sees a human rights and the think its definitely something we all should be fighting for now ive seen a lot of people arent saying that they simply wont use they are homeless the government steps them into rice so i think people do so care to be honest what do you think that we have to accept some limits on our personal liberty in order to say safe should there be a compromise. I agree with compromise but i dont think we should be off it was more states as a company are and i dont think government can really use the funds arent as a reason to get the care of their past lives existed so check those statements help us so what more would you like to see the government today i mean can the out be time limited can everything be reconfigured in time because we need to get the system up and running running fast that way yes to be honest i think there are ways this fancy much time not spoken to the central argument so i think personally to get this out to where it loans sure they should really move to not mo because i couldnt do it creates the framework for this so it wouldnt be a. Rush and so we dont i think that people are very suspicious of the government at the moment under way this up to lex they search so really less base for their small i frankly dont think they would say the numbers of people downloading you know any. 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To discuss this and more im joined by my guest Marcus Papadopoulos in london hes the editor of politics for us magazine and in budapest we have george so muley he is author of bombs for peace nato is humanitarian war and he was right gentlemen crossed out rules in effect music in japan you know what i always appreciate when i was going to george lets talk about whats going on in the United States because there are theres a lot of elements to address here 1st of all that the Mainstream Media want to say its racism racism racism and of course there is racism in the United States and what happened in the george floyd in minneapolis is unforgivable though there are still information we need to learn about. Jumping to conclusions too quickly as has been shown to be a very bad idea and we have to get to the point of this civil unrest me what i see this is rioting this is not protesting here and at the end of the day george the biggest victims of this riot team are poor people and people of color at the end of the day ahead or youre absolutely right be that. There really is very little excuse for this