With a single payer or medicare for all system the kind of things that people in other developed countries in the world this is the richest country in the world the United States other people take medicare for all for example Single Parents as they take that for granted and so now you have the absurdity of a country that is on top of that continuing to murder people of color in the streets without cause on video and you expect people to somehow react and have no reaction to that and so you know the definition of a failed state of Political Science is a government that they also protect its people and doesnt provide basic services now in the United States more than a 3rd of families with children and no longer or food and and more than a 3rd can no longer afford shelter those who are renting you know it in looking at the Public Discourse over the last few days particularly since the death of. Mr floyd. The mainstream liberal media and im pointing this to r. C. Right now as it is. Grabbed onto systemic racism and then and thats part of their mantra and a case i suppose can be made for that but the phrase i cant repeat that resonates with me because i think that talks of beyond race its actually a class issue but then the ruling elites do not like to to frame things in terms of class and i think nate did a very good job of doing that and im coming from this from a complete servitude perspective here because watching the elites in washington bail out the richest people in the world i think they were are no chance these people are going to go under here and im really disappointed with the g. O. P. I have are not going into the lame stablish when democrats will need to put their toes didnt believe in helping working class a little better ways is its good policy is good oh it takes but its not happening r. C. Go ahead well i think that there is no i. Sure exactly could have done a better job but he got her package that would appease a wire for right the americans blow a lot of america. I think if they got few 1000. 00 youd probably still see these protests if they had gotten 3500. 00 youd probably still see these protests i think that its highly academic and a little bit of spin in nature to say that since im now to turned into a class struggle i think in actual quality what youre seeing youre seeing are radical groups doing a very good job using issues as a cover for their motives and theyre just saw their justice and. Are seen and heard well can be true with the same time would you agree both can be true at the same time because i think there. Is there is a perspective theres an Older Americans who are still in a little bit of economic aches. But you say that aids is merely predicated on a g p. Or bailouts that would appease the american system it is a bit misguided my accent i think. I got in trouble of the amount that they did yet i still think you asked and i think you see protests not necessarily because of cost structure but because these are sort of the worst errors and. You have one or america or any i think its all making the claim that this anger is because of what the g. O. P. Did or didnt do is really a footnote to a whole of this year i think they mean let me go back to nikki i mean this is the neil liberal model of being judged in and being judged by oh why a rate of members of society i mean we went from. The apparent murder we havent had a complete due process year of an unarmed black man in the i me up list now weve gotten to riots all across the country and i think it is left that that specific tragedy and it is being people are expressing an enormous amount of anger because the system isnt working for them it has nothing to do with one check or a 2nd check if the system isnt working go ahead nick. I agree the system is not working for a ball. And i think that that cannot be overstated when you have so many people in poverty at this moment and you know when you have for example for even those who when there was a there for example there was a freeze on. Foreclosures earlier you know early on in the end amec a couple months ago but that freeze was temporary and so that is going to become you for example and you will see thousands tens of thousands of people get kicked out of their homes just like you saw in the Great Recession i mean some of the figures that i brought up earlier about a 3rd of americans with children not being able to order food anymore i mean this is a reality this is why i describe this as a state not being able to provide basic services it goes beyond that and what i want to add to this is the fact that you cannot continually tell. I think a people who have lived through centuries of slavery bent a century of jim crow and balling that Mass Incarceration Police Brutality prison took for a school to prison pipeline and then say that somehow ah after decades of that one peaceful protest has not worked that somehow they are the problem or an expression of desperation that is happening now across the country you set it up very well and i and i understand the argument and its Campaign Compelling in many respects but lets go back to our see here im sorry i will have to disagree nick this kind of looting and violence is completely unacceptable it is against the rule of law it is it turns into a hobson war of everyone against everyone and and i find that an excess. It will and you know watching a 90 s dollar being cleared out that has nothing to do with what happened in minneapolis again anyone that makes that claim is wrong ok now im agreeing with the nit with nate in the sense that this is that make issue and its being full of pound wanting so would agree with you r. C. On that i want to talk about m. T. V. A little bit later but thats why i asked the question in my introduction but as a protest and a right go ahead r. C. Well see if i can and i think you know nick i think you and you are perhaps a good service to the Democratic National committee righties are talking quite use i think the way that nick is trying to construct a reality is exactly what the far left wants you think they want you to think that this is all about racial inequities in our country and they want you to think that this is a had this kind of mindset that america is a Current System is a prevailing mice and among most americans well guess what it isnt like americans were serai. Or coronavirus was unleashed are however it was. From the east so i dont think that america is a failed state when you look at failed states like i dont know places that were stabilized by drugs. Or perhaps by psych the great a horn of africa those are felt states what happened and what happens and chatted and in europe when someone really needs a surgery they come to the United States united state provides much more than what is needed is much more then ever m. R. Slow start it needs americans are doing fine whats happening right now is not a result if you are in justice in america it is simply the result of as a result of the coronavirus and a desire by a status meant our last hours to create a kind of tension going to america to create a kind of you know kind of an environment where you know. The talking points he talks maybe get a couple of swing voters to vote just for me than how they voted. 2016 as an oversight and power as you did back in 7 you know what role you know over more its and it will be business as usual so i get asked so that the meal liberal project that has not is not party specific ok i mean theyre all in on that ok and i this big player biker audience i dont think the democratic establishment would really give nick any time of day because i speak as a concert and this is much against the g. O. P. Establishment as i am against the d. N. C. Because im trying to reimagine politics here maybe a progressive im a conservative but i think we can do it because the people who are separating us are the ones that want us to keep us separated and dont want to talk about a reasonable politics or a lots been said here nick go ahead jim. Likewise. I actually left the Democratic Party in 2016 after watching them cheap Bernie Sanders and after i didnt work on his campaign actually lobbying that the n. C. A. Members to try to persuade them of the kinds of things that i was saying that was the job i add on that campaign and so if that is it the heel of roger is a bipartisan projects you know you have seen for decades on end working people have not gotten arise the minimum wage in real value in 1968 and so that is consistent through democratic republican administrations both parties that helped all control of government during this on their bill clinton we worked with the democrats across obama with democrats as well and that is basically why im working with an organization actually called the movement for Peoples Party who just was out was a major new progressive up those already in the United States and that has nothing to do it with the democrats are taking over to get away from both of them because so much access and able. To see how do you respond because the interesting thing is if it and again in principle i would agree. He would make and everything he said it just how he would get there thats when we get into the minutia ok and thats fine i like politics i like debate ok i like to honest people ok now people that constantly love you in the news because thats what they do best but i agree i agree. You see i agree with everything he said by i dont think youre on and youre making the right score meet with neo liberalism is a bipartisan project and so is anti strong and the reason anti progress and you are similar is because that trump is a populist strong is one National Conservative we are not trump has a lot more in common with Bernie Sanders populist voters. You know and and dents maybe centrist democrats so youre right you know who isnt is an art. Trump is the actual system that i think. I am an interest from trump on a bipartisan model from members of us hours on end up quite strong kind of thats why trump is able to you can actually read a part of because national it was brand is something that speaks to both parties its actually i established and you know a lot of what i mean you know im. Very silly to. Say on our slate it is that i would have hoped that donald trump would have taken the lead in dealing with this crisis but no he let congress do it and that conduct really remarkable that he didnt want to take any responsibility for that i tell him im going to jump in here were going to go to a short break and after that short break you know our discussion then demick and its reaction and writing in america safe. No whats a clip of she told morning is the. Way its always ok it was a little more one of the late. You know. Media. Today they can put us in the mood at the court put up a small slow motion to open the capital quickly that i thought i. Knew they had a yes. Yes. He took millions of years of evolution to get to this place of federal activity and now its become on thats how bill how brave is that. Millions of years of work to give you this big brain which functions with this many people believe the most human beings are suffering what is a magnificent machine human being to do a 1000000 man affecting machine. Welcome back to cross talk where all things are considered im you know about to remind you were discussing whether United States is becoming a failed state. Ok nic let me go back to you lets go back to a topic but it was just touched upon in the 1st hour of the program minutes on t. V. And thats something that really really irritates me here and there is ample evidence now video footage of these a professional troublemakers from all over the country invading communities and just causing a ruckus and destruction and whipping up all kinds of. Emotions when we dont need that right now because you know i say this to anyones support and cheaper is that whatever you do where everything you do it you hurt or. And working people ok and theyre very selfish these anti people and they are i would say the antithesis of what they claim to be bait they have a very sick mindset its my way or the highway how do you respond to that of course there are people attempting to exploit the crisis but to focus on those people is to deny i think the justice that actually created this systemic problem and its a beginning whether thats what i would say ok ok but it is so you would condemn though their tactics and their behavior of course and there are those who are exploiting the crisis to do by lines to loot you know and that is that that should be condemned it doesnt you know it doesnt necessarily have to do with with george soit there are people who are using it you know as there always are you know just like i mean but at the same time if youre going to condemn that you know i mean you have to condemn the conditions that created this in the 1st place and i think we agree there and you also have to condemn those who exploit crises on orders of magnitude far greater than that its like exploiting coronavirus asked the base up or transfer of wealth in American History i mean the reason i eat it really kind of is that its a special court with me nick is that the the middle class has been looted for 40 years ok they have experienced that here and 2 wrongs dont make a right because our c i am very mean phatic about this think the number of stories ive been told from people that are in the know theyre up ended and many out was a firefighter or i dont know if he was active or retired he was going to start his own bar for the community and it was supposed to open up on monday today but hurt the ground. And i think it was an africanamerican on top of the class a race should matter but i mean theres a who are person to pull himself up ok addict you think that he and then you have these. Suggs ago burned to the ground he didnt have insurance he says out of luck ok this is what your e. F. May buy this type of behavior because this kind of behavior is unconscionable and yes its very and counterproductive r. C. Its very counterproductive and you know what nicholas said and its something that i actually said a few days ago and now i do what not many people do you have to look at rose just admit i was wrong is a go i said. He condemned the hooters before we stop the hooter a prerequisite is arresting George Lawrence murder and guess what he was arrested days ago and already has continued under the worst. In addition to the man store and how he ever went to all of our. Oh theres no radio trying to get beaten down by a man with a wooden plank i mean we cant continue to say before we can get back we should also condone violence by. You know the long time ask congress down and he and recognize that this just isnt happening on the ground the discussion. On top and youre out in america its being signed shocks hijacked by whites isnt just popping by in secret and in the streets its also having a high of small holes when it comes to the span of a narrative and once you see being spun by the establishment media make this a class struggle well at that with they want to make it into a race struggle and i dont i dont buy it and im americas original sin is racism ok and itll its something a project it will have to work on for our entire existence but its there if you like but i insisted i go back to nic here it is much more of a class issue here because there are so many myths and many more people in public need to think and looking at the reaction to the coronavirus and now the tragic events i have just come to the very scrambled. Inclusion that the elites no longer have any answers for the problems that theyve created you know why because theyre just insulated from those problems ok great or are Mainstream Media all cable you know you can have all of these you know these are talking heads on t. V. Talking about how sad and poor and terrible things are theyre 2 all earning 6 years they go back to their gated communities i mean its almost as if theyre watching a Netflix Series you know im just waiting for the next episode. It is as its really. The well the richest americans millionaires has increased by 434000000000. 00 during this crisis and so you have a section of society this happened and this also happened the 21st that separates off from the rat this is during you know during the gilded age of thats why when there was massive inequality right before the depression and the stock market crashed and black to say that set it was like an american a stock aristocracy and that is whats happening again when you have one family go out and am like that as the wealth of the bottom 43 percent of americans and their consult and theyre using this crisis to consolidate even more well then you do you have a segment of society that is no longer connected they do not experience its not only that they do not live the conditions of the majority of americans the mass of working class americans but they no longer even experience them or come into contact with them in their own lives like you mentioned they live in gated communities there are varied around either. Limousines they go to you know there are. The glass op you know massive glass Office Buildings you know in steel skyscrapers and they never have to see or encounter the ramifications of the kinds of all that you know and im including members of congress here senators you know the average of which is about a 1000000. 00 and well and many of whom enrich themselves in the course of what office. They never have to see earth experience the consequences of the laws that they passed down the brunt of which is borne by working people you know her see if i was just astonished and go by the fact. When the lockdown started in you know 1st you had the markets crashed and all the. Which of course is a subset of all the oxygen the markets and all the markets dont really have much into the average person ok most people are not invested in the market it is they put so much attention into it ok and then with this stimulus or aid packages i mean i just find it astounding the concierge treatment that the richest people in the world the richest concerns in the world the treatment they and then we have both parties is 2nd guessing the maybe we have to wait and see thats more the g. O. P. Being and then you have the democrats its not their christmas list of it is every kind of special interest they want and most of it deals with local allat exposed bast majority of people are sick and