Discuss this and more im joined by my guest r. C. Maxwell and being next is the arizona director of the black conservative federation as well as a Brand Ambassador turning point usa and in mclean virginia we have the brown that he is the founder and National Coordinator of the movement for people are actually cross means you can jump in and be what. Ok nick let me go 1st oh youre you told one of my producers in preparing for this program that you believe that the United States is is a failed state and the recent events of the last week or so are is is evidence of that explain yourself please go ahead. The reason is that in the response to this crisis pandemic we have had a government that got him. Within. The week had marched past the cares act and what was that it was a multitrillion dollar bail out wall street and big corporations did not in sacks address the actual problems or before the crisis you had 80 percent of americans they were living paycheck to paycheck less an i phone or dollars in savings for more than apple americans and now youre telling them that theyre supposed to live articularly that or its the americans without any any income so that they cannot afford rent and they can still be evicted in the middle of it and then act while not providing them universal basic income or universal Health Coverage with a single error medicare for all system because the things that people in other developed countries in the world this is the richest country in the world the United States other people take medicare for all for example Single Parents as they take that for granted and so now you have the absurdity of a country that is on top of that continuing to murder people of color in the streets without cause on video and you expect people to somehow react and have no reaction to that and so you know the definition of a failed state of Political Science is a government that they also protect its people and doesnt provide basic services now in the United States more than a 3rd of families with children and no longer or food and and more than a 3rd can no longer afford shelter those who are renting you know it in looking at the Public Discourse over the last few days particularly since the death of mr floyd. The mainstream liberal media and im pointing this to r. C. Right now is. Grabbed onto systemic racism and then and thats part of their mantra any case i suppose could be made for that but the phrase i cant repeat i bet resonates with me. Because i think that top of beyond race is actually a class issue but the the ruling elites do not like to do frame things in terms of class and i think nick did a very good job of doing that and im coming from this from a complete servitude perspective here because watching the elites in washington bail out the richest people in the world i think they were are no chance these people are going to go under here and im really disappointed with the g. O. P. I have are not going into the lame dabblers when democrats will need to put their toes didnt believe in helping working class middle bellies is oh its good policy it is good oh it takes but its not happening r. C. Go ahead well i think that there is no i you know i dont care sure exactly could have done a better job but he got her package that would but shes a wire for right the americans below a lot of americans want to go i think if they got few 1000. 00 you probably still see these protests if they had gotten 3500. 00 you probably still see these protests i think that its highly academic and a little bit of spin in nature to say that this is now to turned into a class struggle i think in actual quality what youre seeing is youre seeing are radical groups doing a very good job using issues as a cover for their motives and theyre just saw their justice and. Are seen and heard both can be true with the same time would you agree both could be true at the same time because i think there. Is there is a perspective it is an Older Americans who are you know still in a little bit of Economic Experts say that it is nearly predicated on a g. O. P. Or bailouts that would appease the american system it is a bit misguided in my accent i think. I got in trouble of the amount that they did yet i still think youd see protests and i think youd see protests not necessary. Only because of our cost structure but because these are sort of the worst errors and mark you know what to wear and i mean what i think. Making the claim that this anger is because of what the g. O. P. Did or didnt do is really a footnote to hold this year i think they mean when we go back to next year i mean this is the neil liberal model of being judged in and being judged by why a rate of members of society i mean we went from. The apparent murder we havent had a complete due process year of an unarmed black man in many many outlets now weve gotten to riots all across the country and i think it has left that specific tragedy and it is being people are expressing an enormous amount of anger because the system isnt working for them it has nothing to do with one check or a 2nd check if the system isnt working go ahead nick. I agree the system is not working for a ball. And i think that that cannot be overstated when you have so many people in poverty at this moment and you know when you have for example for even those who when there was a there for example there was a freeze on bishops and foreclosures earlier you know early on in the end amec a couple months ago but that freeze was temporary and so that is going to become you for example and you will see thousands tens of thousands of people out of their homes just like you saw in the Great Recession i mean some of the figures that i brought up earlier about a 3rd of americans with children not being able to order food anymore i mean this is a reality this is why i describe this as a state not being able to provide basic services it goes beyond that and what i want to add to this is the fact that you cannot continually tell. I think a people who have lived through centuries of slavery bent a century of jim crow and following that Mass Incarceration Police Brutality prison took for a school to prison pipeline and then say that somehow ah after decades of that one peaceful protest has not worked best somehow they are the problem or an expression of desperation that is happening now across the country you set it up very well and i and i understand the argument and its Campaign Compelling in many respects but lets go back to our see here im sorry i will have to disagree this kind of looting and violence is completely unacceptable it is against the rule of law it is it turns into a hobson war of everyone against everyone and and i find that an. Acceptable and you know watching a nike store being cleared out that has nothing to do with what happened in minneapolis again anyone it makes that claim is wrong ok now im agreeing with the nit with nate in the sense that this is a systemic issue and its being fought for one thing here so would agree with you r. C. On that i want to talk about m. T. V. A little bit later but thats why i asked the question in my introduction because the protests in a right go ahead us well see if i can and i think you know nick i think you and you are perhaps a good service to the Democratic National committee righties are talking quite use i think the way that nick is trying to construct reality is exactly what the far left wants you think they want you to think that this is all about racial inequities in our country and they want you to think that this is a had this kind of mindset that america is a Current System is a prevailing mice and among most americans well guess what it isnt like americans were serai. Or coronavirus was unleashed. However it was. From the east so i dont think that america is a failed state when you look at failed states like i dont know places that were stabilized by drugs like ne trifle crap spices like the great horn of africa those are felt states what happened and what happens and chatted and in europe when someone really needs a surgery they come to the United States united state provides much more than what is needed is much more then ever m. R. Slow start americans are doing fine whats happening right now is not result in justice in america it is simply the result of as a result of the coronavirus and a desire by a status meant our last hours to create a kind of tension going to america to create a kind of you know kind of an environment where you know. The talking points he talks maybe get a couple a swing voters to you to vote just for me then how do you go to. I dont see 1016 as an oversight and power as you did back in some you know what role you know over more its and itll be business as usual so i get asked so that the meal liberal project that has not is not party specific ok i mean theyre all in on that ok and i this big player biker audience i dont think the democratic establishment would really give nick any time of day because i speak as a concert and this is much against the g. O. P. Establishment is i am against the d. N. C. Because im trying to reimagine politics here maybe a progressive im a conservative but i think we can do it because the people who are separating us are the ones that want us to keep us separated and dont want to talk about a reasonable politics or a lots been said here nick go ahead jim. Likewise. I actually left the Democratic Party in 2016 after watching them cheap Bernie Sanders and after i didnt work on his campaign actually lobbying that the n. C. A. Members to try to persuade them of the kinds of things that i was saying that was the job i added in that campaign and so if that is it the heel or a project is a bipartisan projects you know you have seen for decades on end working people have not gotten a rise the minimum wage in real value in 1968 and so that is consistent through democratic republican administrations both parties that helped all control of government during this on their bill clinton we worked with democrats across obama with democrats as well and that is basically why im working with an organization actually called the movement for Peoples Party who just was out was a major new progressive up those already in the United States and that has nothing to do it with the democrats are taking her to get away from both of them because so much access and able. To see how do you respond because the interesting thing is if it and again in principle. I would agree with nick and everything he said it just how he would get there thats when we get into the minutia ok and thats fine i like politics i like debate ok i like to honest people ok now people that constantly love you in the new style because after they do best like i agree i agree i jump in you see i agree with everything you said by i dont think youre on so youre missing the core meat really neo liberalism is a bipartisan project and so is anti strong and the reason anti progress and you know liberalism are similar is because that trump is a populist strong is the National Conservative believe it or not trump has a lot more in common with Bernie Sanders populous voters in utah and you know and and gets maybe centrist democrats so youre right you know who isnt is an art. Trump is the actual system that i think. I am an interest from trump on a bipartisan from members of yes hours on end up quite strong kind of nuts like trump is able to you can actually read a part of because National Brand is something that speaks to both parties its actually i established and you know a lot of what i mean you know. Personally just. Playing on our selected that is that i would have hoped that donald trump would have taken the lead in dealing with this crisis but no he let congress do it and i can that really remarkable that he didnt want to take any responsibility for that i tell him im going to jump in here were going to go to a short break and after that short break you know our discussion that demick and its reaction and writing in america say. A. I dont have faith in this. Government official a president i dont have faith in the system. Ive got it im just a broken system designed for people like. Different people who are here for Different Reasons also job loss the whole. Most people in philadelphia ballot 2 paychecks away from home. The world is driven by a dream shaped by. The day or think. We dare to ask. Welcome back to cross talk where all things are considered on Peter Lavelle to remind you were discussing whether United States is becoming a failed state. Ok nic let me go back to you lets go back to a topic that it was just touched upon in the 1st of the program minutes on t. V. And thats something that really really irritates me here and there is ample evidence now video footage of these a professional troublemakers from all over the country in dating communities and. Is causing a ruckus and destruction and whipping up all kinds of. Emotions when we dont need that right now because i say this to anyones support and cheap is that what every few do where every human do it you her poor and working people ok and theyre very selfish these and heap of people and they are i would say the antithesis of what they claim to be they have a very precious mindset its my way or the highway how do you respond to that of course there are people attempting to exploit the crisis but to focus on those people is to deny the justice that actually created this systemic problem and its a beginning whether thats what i would say ok ok but it is so you would condemn though their tactics and their behavior of course and there are those who are exploiting the crisis to do bylane loot you know and that is that that should be condemned it doesnt you know it doesnt necessarily have to do with george soit there are people who are using it you know as there always are you know just like me but at the same time if youre going to condemn that you know i mean you have to condemn the conditions that created this in the 1st place and i think we agree there and you also have to condemn those who exploit crises on orders of magnitude far greater than it is like exploiting coronavirus asked the base up or transfer of wealth in American History i mean the reason i keep it really kind of is that its a special court with me nick is that the the middle class has been looted for 40 years ok they have experienced that here and 2 wrongs dont make a right because r. C. I am very in phatic about this think the number of stories ive been told from people that are in the know there are up ended and many out was a firefighter or i dont know if he was active or retired he was going to start his own. For the community it was supposed to open up a monday today but hurt the ground. And i think it was an africanamerican on top of the class a race shouldnt matter but i mean theres a who or person to pull himself up ok and you think that he and then you have these thugs to go burning to the ground he didnt have insurance hes just out of luck ok this is what youre e. S. Me by this type of behavior because this kind of behavior is unconscionable under us history and counterproductive r. C. Its very counterproductive and you know what nick and its something that i actually said a few days ago and now i do what not many people do you ask what it is admit that i was wrong is a go i sent. He condemned to hooters before we stop the hooter a prerequisite is arresting George Lawrence murder and guess what he was arrested days ago and already has continued under the worst so. In addition to the man store and how he ever went to all of our men. Oh theres no room for your trunks to get beaten down by a man with a wooden plank i mean we can continue to say before we can get back we should also condone violence i. Know a lot of time has come. Down and see and recognize that this just isnt happening on the ground the discussion. On top and youre out in america its being signed shocks hijacked by whites isnt just popping by and secret and in the streets its also happening at the highest malls when it comes to the span of a narrative and what you see are being spun by the establishment media to make this a class struggle well and that was they want to make it into a race struggle and i dont i dont buy it and im americas original sin is racism ok and itll its something a project it will have to work on for our entire existence but its. But i insisted i go back to nic here it is much more of a class issue here because there are so many myths and many more people involved in the thing and looking at the reaction to the coronavirus and now the tragic events i have just come to the very same conclusion that the elites know how grab any answers for the problems that they have created you know why because theyre just insulated from those problems ok i mean they can or are Mainstream Media cable you know you can have all of these you know these are talking heads on t. V. Talking about how sad and poor and terrible things are theyre all earning 68 years they go back to their gated communities i mean its almost as if theyre watching a Netflix Series you know and just waiting for the next episode you had. It is as its really. The well the richest americans millionaires has increased by 434000000000. 00 during this crisis and so you have a section of society this happened and this also happened the 21st that separates off from the rat this is during you know during the gilded age of thats why when there was massive inequality right before the depression and the stock market crashed and black to say that set it was like an american a stock aristocracy and that is whats happening again when you have one family go out and am like that as the wealth of the bottom 43 percent of americans and their consolidator using this crisis to consolidate even more well then you do you have a segment of society that is no longer connected they do not experience its not only that they do not live the conditions of the majority of americans the mass of working class americans but they no longer even experience them or co