White house bunker on monday after tweeting tough and hiding out most of the weekend after thousands of thousands of black lives matter activists took to the streets of washington d. C. To protest the murder of george florida and the harassment unwarranted incarceration and killing of thousands upon thousands of black and brown citizens by u. S. Law enforcement over the years standing in the rose garden our chickenhawk in cheapie declare that if a city or state refuses to take the actions that are necessary to defend the life and property of their residents then i will deploy the United States military and quickly solve the problem for them. Because i want to be tough guy up there trying to act like he actually knows what hes doing but lets find out what does trumps law and order look like well apparently my friends it starts by deploying chemical weapons and states states. Sanctioned violence on Peaceful Protesters in front of the white house just so once again our chickenhawk in cheap along with members of his family and his administration could stand off quickly in front of St Johns Episcopal Church with a bible in hand for a campaign boto up when asked if the bible was actually his old trumpery said quote well you know hey its a bible Church Officials were not told of the plan in fact the bishop of the ep a pisky pulled diocese of washington wasnt even given a Courtesy Call after witnessing this p. R. Stunt she told the media quote he did not pray he did not mention george void he did not mention the agony of people who have been subjected to this kind of horrific expression of racism and White Supremacy for hundreds of years he has done the opposite of that. And if or rather when the president deploys the us military inside the United States to keep his version of peace many are now asking is that even legal or was it another one of those protections that democrats and republicans in Congress Gave away in their post 911 war on terror to destroy our constitution and bill of rights these are important questions that we need to start asking and lets find out as we start watching the hawks. Whats going on on a cd. Player so lets see this is this you always state this is a. Great city desolate systemic dissent says so which. Brings up the bill as. Well for boehner watching the hawks i am tire over the top and i will make a cross. And joining us now to discuss the many legal ramifications of president Donald Trumps news deal to unleash the u. S. Military on main street as the host of americas loyal lawyer mike papen tonio mike always a pleasure thank you for joining us. Mike i want to start by asking you the obvious can donald trump illegally unleashed the u. S. Military on protesters is posse comitatus is that act still valid. Well the act is valid but theres exceptions to the act one of them is the 81807 it was a general purpose kind of element that was used to get around what with the restrictions where the posse comitatus of course is you cant use military and domestic soul but heres what happened you had they they had to get the Klu Klux Klan under control down south so they said were going to make some exceptions here they sit in the federal troops there that was the 1st time it was used in an l. B. J. Used it in. Dealers used it george bush has used it so absolutely trump is going to be able to do what hes threatening to do theres no question here and theres some triggers though tyrrell one trigger is is you have to say has the governor as of a state asked for has the legislature of a state asked that the military brought in or if they havent is there such unrest that Constitutional Rights of individuals are at risk and they seem incapable of protecting those Constitutional Rights then trump can do that sue a sponsor he can send them in and you know look. This the Bigger Picture here this is this is all a show you know youve got youve got call rose in the in the white house right now call rove you might remember is one of the people that put together really atwater program for winning the south and win the win in the president ial election for Ronald Reagan and more importantly. It comes lee out were winning for nixon in the biggest landslide that the country has ever seen the purpose of what he did were saying this is this is a replay completely theres a wonderful book out its called nixon the land nixon land again and Rick Perlstein wrote nixon land and he described how nixon swept in the election in the end 72 biggest turnout ever by americas middle class white middle class labor class 2 showed up because they were terrified what were they terrified when they were terrified with the demonstrations of the riots that they saw on the street they were terrified with the weathermen they were terrified with the black panthers they were terrified by what they were seeing on the news every night and so what what nixon did is embraced all that and he said look im going im im going to use that to win the white house the biggest turnout ever from Middle America showed up trump is using that same thing to go. And you know what the bad news is its probably going to work you see biden right now slightly ahead trump if he does this just in to use the same playbook that has been used in the past youre going to have a terrified mom and pop Middle America that are going to show up theyre going to be outraged by the Counterculture Movement taken place in america just like Rick Perlstein described in his book nixon when its a big threat so can he do this yeah hes not only chance to do this he must do this in order to stay with his playbook. That was an awesome description mike and i feel like there are so many people that give credit to donald trump for being new and innovative and it seems like a lot of his ideas weve seen republicans run the playbook for once again in previous years and then to switch gears just a little bit and get on to Something Else you know that many of the right wing pundits and supporters of the president are citing the insurrection at 1807 how do you think this will be used to justify a military response in the protests and does it actually hold legal weight. Yeah it does and weve seen it used historically heres the balancing act thats the this 1807 issue comes and it comes into it comes into this question is that do we have Constitutional Rights that are being affected by the average citizen where where we can say that those Constitutional Rights are being so affected that it trumps it trumps the right to assembly and the right to free speech its what we call is part of what we call our Police Powers and right now if you look at the facts if you had to argue in trial of an Appellate Court you would be arguing look we have a policeman being shot policeman shot in back of the head just the other day property on fire entire cities basically a blaze if you follow the media youve got city blocks that look like theyre burning down if you follow the media you have bystanders being shot so the question comes down to this does the right assume to assemble does that is that stronger than the right for the president to say look i dont care how i dont care what the issue is you have Constitutional Rights of people that dont have a dog in this fight that are being affected and because of that im going to send in the military he has a lot of latitude here a lot and as i say if you follow his playbook this speech that he gave in the rose garden go back and take a look at some of the speeches that Richard Nixon gave where he talked about unrest he scared the bejesus out of mom and pop he said this is going that we have people what marching in the streets we have a drug culture thats out of control we have all of these things that are taking place in if you dont vote for me youre going to have youre going to have this nimrod this liberal nimrod that has to correct all this problem and it works you know work like i want to so. I want to jump in and just ask you you know if you are arguing against the president s use of you know martial law. Long putting you know u. S. Soldiers on the streets if you are arguing against that if youre the lawyer on the other side how would you argue against that i would argue i would make a states right argument to the issues they understand the local issues they understand the nuances of what goes on the Police Departments they understand the nuances of how the public reacts to certain elements of day to day life so your best argument is to say how dare you federal government. To come in here and tell a state that we dont have the good sense in minnesota for example we dont have the good sense to gate to gain control over this problem we have legislators that have been elected to do that on the governor i was elected to do that that is the argument between states rights and the feds thats that would be the strongest argument to me i think i have a very strong argument quickly i want to also ask you to weve seen tear gas being used quite a bit in the last week now tear gas in a war zone is completely illegal thats completely considered a war crime how are u. S. Police forces being allowed to use something thats illegal in war like tear gas on our citizens left and right it seems like yeah unfortunately unfortunately tear gas is used all over the world its a big industry the tear gas industry makes good zillions of dollars selling tear gas everywhere from jinnahs whalen to hong kong to the United States and you know what its been explored by the a. C. L. U. The a. C. L. U. Is what at least half a dozen lawsuits saying look heres the problem with tear gas its indiscriminate you know even what you do is you affect old Young Healthy unavailable the you affect people who have a dog in the fight and people who dont and because of that a display indiscriminate nature its too dangerous to allow it that argument has been made at least a half a dozen times the United States by the a. C. L. U. And other human rights organizations and its lost its been made around the world and its lost most countries allow tear gas right now even though its a complete contradiction what you say is correct you cant it is considered a war crime if you use it in a war said. Its amazing that we can get away with war crimes on citizens because that argument that you just laid out just seems to keep losing it absolutely blows my mind mike i want to thank you so much for coming on today and giving us your perspective on these issues that are affecting all of us here in the United States and will affect everyone around the world thank you so much sir. Thanks for the invitation. All right as we go to break remember that you can also start watching the hawks on demand a brand new portable t. V. App available on all platforms and coming up my friends we begin the statistics behind Police Brutality in the United States and are to americas major broke blevins later joins us to discuss what u. S. Lawmakers are considering to do in order to bring accountability to Law Enforcement gone wild street to watch the whole. Thing. Is it real or is that fake should i stay or should i go now is it real or is it fake thats the question of our age. 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Flag despite calls for justice from blacks whove been treated as 2nd class citizens for hundreds of years in the land of the free in the home of the brave those in the highest places fail to listen and blacks are fed up tired of being hunted in our own communities targeted because our skin bare to be milla needed but even with all the facts many across america fail to fully grasp Police Violence that permeates this country protest over George Floyds murder have now gone on for over a week protesters have been met by curfews Police Officers in riot gear armored tanks in the streets and all of the fixings of a militarized zone though the cop seen with his neil floyds nick has been arrested and charged the 3 other officers who assisted him have not this may seem abnormal to some of these but its painfully reoccurring though there is no comprehensive official database for tracking Police Violence there have been efforts at the federal level to change this but data compiled by researchers paints a picture that many taking to the streets know all too well last year more than 1000. 00 people were killed by police according to mapping Police Violence a Research Group black people are disproportionately murdered but the most startling find is that 99 percent of killings by police from 2030 to 2019 have not resulted in officers charged with a single crime 99 percent. Cops shoot and kill choke and kill beat and kill and get off without a single charge nearly 100 percent of the time. Only Police Officers can get away with killing people in large number and barely ever being charged for it steep hurdles to conviction often keep prosecutors at a distance and qualified immunity protects them. Why is bringing charges against cops the 3rd rail and what can we do to change this image should you summed it up right there that question should be whats being asked over and over and over and over and over again in the media in all of our Public Discourse but were not seeing it we hear we see more about you know people talking about the right way to protest in the media seems all focused on the looting in the scatter of violence and all that but there are ignoring the real root causes correct absolutely in the level of frustration is really high as it should be because we see it and im after it im that these officers are killing murdering people in many of these cases weve seen the cell phone footage in some cases weve seen the video cam from the officers themselves showcasing this and yet those officers face no state penalties they dont even get charged for anything they walk away and many of them are even put on real leave others who are just move on to another policing in city a couple of towns over and people are fed up for good reason and its amazing to when you look at those numbers that you mentioned about those being charged i mean when you when you break that down that is incredible to me when you see that you know what is it like to go nearly 100 percent of cases in which theyre not even charge me when they pull the trigger thats thats insane absolutely and its very its very frustrating its something that many in the black community assumed was happening now we have data to actually back it up that in the majority of cases if you are able to walk free what does that say to the next officer who commits a bylane act how does this stop excessive use of force how is this in any way tailing a lot of the violence that were seeing across across Police Policing in teens and across communities of color specifically if there is no real penalty to you for your actions you know and the tragedy of it is not like we didnt see this coming i mean i i was working at our to burst youre working here was one ferguson happened you know and its like you thought like after that round you know the whole well came out would see some accountability and all the. Really didnt see through kind of technological marvels of this body. That we didnt really get to the root problem the problem with and i like that you brought up body cams is that weve saying that those dont work by their body cams are only as affective beneficient as the officer who turns the body cam on even in cases where it is always seen that there are defenses that are made for officers who use Excessive Force and those officers still are not charged with anything the body can industry has done nothing but put money in the pockets of the lobbyists who are actually pushing to happily thing in its use them they are not stopping by less they are not preventing violence and they dont want to sure arent helping the black community or s