But i dont see it really making much of an impact on the electorate because there are so many other issues theres the pen demick there is an economic turndown and all the sudden its all chinas fault somehow believe me i understand what that feels like living in russia there yeah i think that you know thats certainly something that birth handler illiberal have afterward for us because china has been such a big part of president trounced whole you know policy agenda and so i think thats something that is really important on the list some experts think that its you know one of the top one or 2 or 3 issues d i dont know that it has that certainly agree with that but its something that they have to address but i think you know both candidates are talking about china in a negative way grainy things on chinas certainly the coronavirus endemic race you mentioned you know president trappist stated that its led to a mass worldwide killing. And said that china covered it out and biden hasnt done much better to be honest about it and you know both candidates have talked about being tough on china weve definitely seen president trumps track record in terms of the trade war weve heard yet it biden talked about the fact that he wished prohibit u. S. Companies from abetting repression wanted quote at supporting the chinese Surveillance States also talking about imposing economic sanctions on beijing and so these are this is something that definitely is in the air although right now i think the coronavirus issue is on the top of the list its going to be seen here i mean yeah i think as i said i consider my introduction and its a lot of written rhetoric because the captains of industry in finance have done extremely well in their interactions with china over the last few decades i dont think they want to see that change one iota so im on the one hand i think its very rhetorical. And in the end it incites passions and emotions but i dont see the c. E. O. s and president s of companies doing very much about. Putting into play the rhetoric of either candidate and i think its real its actually quite hollow though it does seem designed on ice some people. Well the problem is that the companies the congress the pollock remark that has been benefiting from you know disco and a trade or asian ships as well as investment ratios china dont get any sympathy from present trump and his folks i think this entire campaign in 2016 going to a white house has been built on a series that china has be steering the jobs Market Companies go moving to china together we just shops and hes appealing to is Political Base that ive been pretty much you know perceived as the victims of that the move but. This is actually you know fundamentally as a comic some work but unfortunately you know his entire political pop 8 though is based on death b theory so unfortunately you know compromise test benefit the message he found the child the relationships the trade between the 2 countries amount to a 700000000000. 00. Market operation here in china will reach somewhere between 400. 00 to 500000000000. 00 of revenue. As a lot of money for america but the thing is that. Is political but it doesnt benefit or not from dad and he had to have any sympathy yet you did tax these people this Corporate Leaders of being you know operating again in china so so his entire mandate is to quit in my opinion of Corporate America out of china and his entire you know can carry on towers against china is based on a theory that you know should go to congress. But United States and china so ok i dont know if this actually benefits United States from economic one of you but unfortunately thats what he believes and you know we can debate about that after x. Off this trade. Theres no empirical evidence showing up in you just a hook as a trial strategy doesnt matter to me is it is not a hallmark of 4 years about. You know that that. You know thats thats his sources coming from unfortunately he wanted to have china being a champaign issue in 2020 an actual problem is that today you know china has entirely in fact an operation is less than one day sofa 4 in fashion United States that this white you know the china issue is inevitably connected to this mismanagement and total fiasco in content of house and house this so this is not coming as forward on one side he has to clean up the childish you im just on the other side it reminds of American People of the shah contrast between china and United States respect to the congo policy issue but dont give the American Media that much credit and the American Public knows virtually nothing about china at the end of the day here sir im going to put you on the spot here can you name can you think give me what a one job one shot that china stole from america if you think of one job because i know a lot of jobs that were taken out of america by americans and brought to china to give to Chinese Workers i hear this china stole just didnt steal one job its the captains of industry and finance that moved their operations is that chinas all or is it their fault but its certainly an american can and i think thats thats really where the jeffrey is wrong here go ahead yeah i mean i would agree that. The rhetoric is incorrect it was you know politicians and also the captains of industry as you say who are in charge of moving jobs especially manufacturing jobs out of america manage to china and here the not mention mexico into all these other countries in the name of free trade and while i believe that free trade is a good thing because it helps us to buy lots of cheap stuff you know and raise our standard of living our low salaries can help to a more eroding salaries can help to to buy more stuff as a result of that. Government has not put into place appropriate protections for american low income or middle income workers and you know thats really the big concern but notwithstanding all of that you know there really are some issues with china that i think that you know theyre trying to administration has not really guy since here its not about china causing coronavirus or stealing jobs or whatever or having a trade surplus with us none of that makes sense but it is true that china has and continues to steal and selectional property from the u. S. That is a major issue here is also that china continues to be to ramp up its aggression towards hong kong as another piece of this long qantas part of china if im not mistaken correct it is that it was supposed to be governed separately one country 2 systems. I really didnt want to go into hong kong as you but if you want to so what should the u. S. Do i mean i mean what do you know beijing is watching whats going on in portland you know its a good time to Say Something about that to china to punish america for whats going on in oregon i mean its i mean double standard. Huge double standard errors it is i mean i dont think they you know i dont subscribe to the view that the u. S. Has to be the policemen of the world i think that is too much of a. You know a loaded role though for it and for us to take on but i do think you know that the u. S. Needs to respond and that the west somehow needs to respond to this type of promotion of authoritarian as a violation of human rights those are basic things that i think there should be some response year now why should the response be i dont know that it should be economic sanctions per se i think thats fairly unique it seems to be watching after a year of these protests in hong kong as if these are the leaders of these groups that actually ended up with a net loss for all the people of hong kong ok so i think it was kind of a fools errand and now you have people like mike come pale talking about human rights are you kidding me the secretary of state is talking about human rights i mean gitmo is still open ok so i dont see any moral standing on the side of the United States to talk about chinas human rights record at all john you want to jump in on that go ahead laurie asked me 1st address this issue not needing to knock your property as. So ross mansion i think this is of course why i think this is a. Gross country again a campaign coming from white house coming on this trump im afraid i mean lets talk about you know cyber theft of intellectual property now there are many going to have. Access from russia from china have from the United States these are 1st of all i dont think in trying to trim that to the government 2nd china has the largest population we have. People so natural republic the largest population of. Cyberspace you know you shipment this to a sort of space concert. The whole of the nation approach to syria market its not 2 properties thats just crazy i mean give me a warning example of one technological achievement as a result of you know americans in Action Properties you know that scan any advantage if you didnt have a lot of talk about this in the past in the media the last 2 years or so but if you dont show all of this this this profit and ill just acquisitions you get down to the details find one example that actually substantiated when i had earlier and. I went through a lot of my does sessions we dont report is 200 page report. Is talking about were going to cut your properties after that kind of thing is i mean these are the examples 1st of all i think youre 2nd now more than 20 years ago did not have a clear theres a kind of a middle ground on this is well is it is my understanding and im happy to be corrected if im wrong here but a lot of the joint ventures in American CompaniesForeign Companies have in china it entailed Technology Transfers as part of the deal do you business there so i mean if you signed the dotted line you cant say you didnt know go ahead. Yeah i mean i would just say you know what i was saying is that there are actually inside of it in there is state sponsored hacking of american firms and european firms and also Government Entities and you know im actually pretty pro choice that i you know stealing intellectual property is is not a good way to compete on the world stage and it doesnt create a good feeling or a sense of fair competition. Most recently their work you heard it on here i have to jump in here we have to go to a hard break and after that hard grateful to you more discussion on chinas role in the American Elections david art. Join me every thursday on the alex salmond show and ill be speaking to us on the world of politics sports business im show business ill see you then. The sudden forced and illegal takeover of the government by a small group. Rather than revolutionaries or soldiers conduct small group the operation when you have a tiny drip of people who have all the power you have to have some means to make sure the rest of us dont get together and take it back. These are sacrificing. Places that capitalism exploited and destroyed for profit and left behind misery poverty environmental devastation and so you see things like Voter Suppression building more prisons you seem gerrymandering all sorts of undemocratic practices are well in that world are well into. Question the. 54 jets and more than 1300 military personnel are headed to heal some air force base in alaska where is that to say come on ill show you whats the reason for any type of enhanced u. S. Military presence in this area russia. What is it suddenly about the South China Sea that makes it so of added 11000000000 barrels of oil. Take a look at this map who really owns what kind of says no it belongs to us india says no we claim that that belongs to us both of these countries have Nuclear Weapons capabilities there is reason for concern so thats why were going to drill down on the story for you today right here on the news with rick sanchez where you know as we always like to say we do believe by golly its time to do news again. Welcome back to cross up here all things are considered one Peter Lavelle to remind you were discussing chinas role in the u. S. Election. Ok lets go back to it now its all share a theyre going to throw you into the break you try to make a point already your most recently there were 2 hatters you were indicted by the u. S. Least now you and your and they were accused of hacking not only you know for their own benefit but also have to be how. The governments and their actual individuals from governments one particular individual. Friends and history a security issue is age and if i was working with the. Hatters so the. Narrative about these hackers inside know and spirit types of attacks that they carried out is also known and they were indeed stealing intellectual property from biotechnology firms from. Medical device engineering firms and from the military you know of course china is not alone but china is responsible for 40 percent of global had well he lives in the interim i think we need to be fair the way its reported by the u. S. Government in the media is that only countries that america doesnt like tax them ok hacking is going on all of the time its a very lucrative illegal profession for a lot of people and some people do it for governments no doubt about it but to single chinatown only it is doing that its like you know russia hacked the American Election well there were certainly individuals that were if your password was password you probably would get hacked ok mr podesta ok sorry were hearing so so sorry i did not already to date thats a lot. Going to claim that im going to claim that the cia and n. S. A. Im not engaged in any of these activities i mean this is the biggest foreign tell if you tell me that right everybody does that so you know this is no surprise to me and also when you refer to one part of the history that is not a states was engaged in a massive. Amount of fighting National Astronauts i was 9 and i was an 80 hunter and that sort of i wasnt im good at 900 why not a states engage in that you know activities to steal. Attacks now technologies frank ring of Benjamin Franklin being the embassador to house was look. Its been a house now to welcome stealing textile technology. Castle a name gun. That was a wonderful time in history that yes they. It was pretty much you know simply just china right now being the United States so im going to this is something that i think that of us i think you know im not going to you know. The comments and he shook up tell activities like this but i think china is trying to do this i mean i think as part of the trade agreement. The 1st phase of the trade in agreement is something regarding that aspect that theres much im not and hes from the state governments a perspective its not going to you know a sponsor all as well as you know trying to tell who try the activities going up going to be trying to do these things for commercial benefits so these on issues that can be addressed not to row. A sense trying yet to meet with. I mean this is going to be very very broadly it and in one of the things thats really misunderstood about china at least from an American Point of view is that its very difficult for americans in the american political elites to see china as an equal peer because the United States hasnt had one for 6 or so very long. And you know if we could go back to you people are talking about the new a new cold war with china that i think thats true ok but you know during the original cold war the United States versus the soviet union is that the soviet union had very specific high technologies in the military but not other places china has almost everything that you could imagine to be an american peer industry Wealth Technology actually it has a unified people america is very very divided here as well and one of the reasons why its hard for americans the tape china as a peer seriously would you agree with. I dont know yeah i think that certainly people of your china as a pet it or at least a competitor. Or worse but so is you know germany for example but i think you know people see china as an increasing aggressor that is thats the major issue i think between the u. S. And china and you know these intellectual property issues have been going on for many years i should also point out that you know under obama his agreement with the president and it because of their diplomatic strong diplomatic relations trying to stop attacking us or several years until trump was an office and so you know these are theories there are some things that can be worked out diplomatically but at the same time we see chinas increasing aggression in the South China Sea. You know you also see where American Interest is there in the South China Sea because if im not mistaken its called the South China Sea because its near china not to put that money in california it might be my problem i think the idea is that you know that the u. S. Needs your feels the need to and im not saying that you know this is necessarily right but the u. S. Feels the need to contain what it views as an increasingly aggressive china and even under obama you know secretary has made it inside Hillary Clinton iraq trying to find aggression here what do you mean by. Well the countries china invaded recently. Well were talking about is increasing military activity certainly thats a side of aggression. Even though in other there. You noted statements from the Pacific Islands merican lake i mean it dont you think it was maybe an opinion on the head john. I wouldnt say problem well. You can offer regrets aggression i mean 1 i dont know if youve heard about them the dean principal Michael Ledeen used to work for the pentagon