The tragedy. And when she grows up she can know. She will know what happened. She will know. Theres the headlines this morning just a few. Back at the top of the hour with the latest news updates. Hello and welcome the crosstalk where all things are considered. What is the difference between embarrassing gaffes in elder abuse joe biden certainly excels at the former and maybe is the big them of the latter we are told mention of Mental Health is off limits to what degree does the public have the right to know. Cross talking joe biden im joined by my guest jane kearns in new york she is a g. O. P. Strategist contributor to the daily caller as well as founder of women for a Great America in washington we have jason. Hes a Democratic Political strategist also in washington we cross to walter some a lot of he is a answer Coalition Organizer rules in effect that means you can jump in anytime you want and i always appreciate jan let me go to you 1st i mean i said in my introduction here i mean you know you have you have a lot of gaffes coming from joe biden and hes been known for it ok its not you know all of a sudden but the intensity of them are is mounting and that maybe just because of the medias watching more closely im trying to be really fair here but we i think we have every right to know about the mental facilities the capabilities of someone that is running for the highest office in the land i mean how do you come out on this go ahead john. Well i agree i said last tuesday on super tuesday that the good news was for joe biden he won the primaries and i also said at the same time the bad news is he won the primaries and that the spotlight would soon be getting super hot on him and his numerous gaffes i mean this is a man who wakes up and on a daily basis is not too sure what state he zen he mistakenly called his wife his sister last week and the list of gaffes really go on and on and on and luckily there are always video cameras around to to record those and youre very right peter they have hawker see from the left is rich here because they began calling President Trump then candidate trump crazy in june of 2015 shortly after his an ounce made here in new york city that he wanted to run for president of the United States and that is something that continued through his inauguration in january of 2017 and really has continued through the entire impeachment investigation you know talking about his mental faculties talking about his fitness to be president and their Mental Health issues and so you know whats good for the goose is good for the gander if theyve called the President Trump that for the last 4 or 5 years they certainly are going to get their share of scrutiny going into november this year you know jason let me go to you in washington because the interesting thing was and i commented on at the time is that you know when they were commenting on on donald trump they all acted as if they were trained psychiatrys but now they say how dare you say that youre not a medical Health Professional how can you even make that assessment i mean you know what its going to be one of the other here ok and is ginger said theres just ample ample Video Evidence here joe has a hard time string in sentences together and i think thats a pretty fair statement ok and of course we all. I want to be kind and gentle weve probably all known people in our family elderly people this is what happens ok sadly this is the case here but i am not going to deny reality and say well thats thats not representative i mean its becoming the norm go ahead jason. Well 5 i would agree 1st of all we need to parse out a little bit of the difference between the twitter chatter and actual people that matter people in the media and others people who have challenge President Trump usually challenge him on his outright lies rather than his mental faculties or anything like that and you know one of the things we did see that i think is an outright lie is talking about the fact that he was 6 foot 3. 23 pounds which hes obviously much heavier than that you know so again i think we have a lot of things that we need to parse out in terms of well i mean a president should say its more he said but i mean its just well his whole although ok but jason i mean i think youre comparing apples here youre comparing apples and oranges lying about your weight. Isnt a National Security threat ok but thats a physical but if youre is the thing i know from his physical ok i mean and i will agree with you heres the heres heres what will agree steve is that someone who has not examined you know who is not a physician and certainly even if you are a physician or a person who has an exam and someone cannot make a medical diagnosis so therefore im not going to say that President Trump has some sort of narcissism issue when i when im not a psychologist and i havent examined President Trump same thing with. Joe biden ok and say that he has dementia or all these kinds of changes that you havent actually a cemetery but i think going to grieve jason i think we can be fair here after theres a lot about him lying about his when i have a question and an observation hang on hold your horses here. You know. Go to google and type in is donald trump crazy and youll get a go youre going to get search results that will take you days weeks and maybe months to read im sorry your argument doesnt stand any scrutiny whatsoever now i know that were going to look now its other say theyre going to say or sort of let me go to let me go to walter now ok let me go to walter you know crazy is not a real diagnosis so you could thats not a diagnosis walter why dont you weigh in here ok go ahead well sure i mean specific diagnoses aside its clear that joe biden doesnt have the Mental Fitness to veeck of the president to carry out all the tasks that that compass says i mean not only does joe biden have these horrible right wing positions that have harmed so many millions of people when it comes to Health Care Cuts to social spending the war in iraq mass incarceration not only does joe biden have all of those deficiencies as a candidate but he also he cant complete a sentence i mean the Washington Post just put out an article about how the Longest Campaign speech the Longest Campaign event that joe biden was capable of doing over the past few days was about 15 minutes alon 15 minutes and this guy wants to be the most powerful person in the world but the real question is i mean sheer incompetence alone can explain the Democratic Partys elites decision to go with a candidate who clearly who clearly is not mentally fit however you want to frame that specifically clearly not mentally fit the reason why theyve rallied around this figure who has i think after this act of god absolutely no chance of beating donald trump is because they absolutely cannot tolerate there are going to stand or near thought that Bernie Sanders would be their nominee thats absolutely true i agree with you jan i mean that leads me to believe i mean i think any common sense person would listen to joe over there are after the array of debates that the you know its probably good that he gets what. 45 seconds or a minute because he can hang on just barely then but i mean now you get to go one on one with donald trump if he becomes the nominee i mean thats going to be more than an embarrassment given what weve seen over the last few months imperial evidence dictates thats the conclusion you will draw in the future debate go ahead john. Yeah look im looking very much forward to i think its President Trump has agreed to 3 general election debates and those will be i mean the popcorn guys thats going to be very entertaining to watch but they do have some time to prepare joe biden and his 1st test really is coming up this sunday when he goes mana against Bernie Sanders and and look hes got to get past Bernie Sanders 1st this week and if he does not do well at the sunday debate i think the Democratic Party goes back to the drawing board and says we may have a problem on our hands i would not be surprised if they were able to substitute Hillary Clinton and substitute Michelle Obama and some time between now and the day that the d. N. C. Convention starts which is july 13th i think it will be very unlikely but that is still a possibility and look even jasons right here in the can prescribe someones Mental Illness to them and in fact theres even an American Psychological association guideline that says if you are not a physician actually treating the individual you are not to assess their Psychological Association however that didnt stop him s n b c c. N. N. From having people on for the past few years talking and talking about present times Mental Fitness but heres the big reckoning in the Democratic Party peter and that is democrats have to ask themselves youre looking at Mike Bloomberg who has a 1000000000. 00 with a b that he said hes going to spend taking down President Trump well if you have that 1000000000. 00 focused on President Trump but you also know that your own guy probably doesnt have the juice it takes to win in november what are you really doing and i think the Democratic Party has some soul searching to do here theyre going to take down the president of the United States but they dont have someone to back fill that position youre youre only damaging america at that point. In your opinion is joe biden to keep your candidate the partys candidate because i tend to agree with walter is that they just dont want Bernie Sanders theyre willing to lose donald trump to avoid seeing Bernie Sanders succeed go ahead jason. Well im more in line with Bernie Sanders myself but the thing is the same thing in 2016 the voters were not and you know you can talk about some of the things that the d. N. C. Did in 2016 that theres no evidence that theyre doing now but the fact is that you know while i have been out advocating for Bernie Sanders on many different outlets and saying that Bernie Sanders is a better candidate you know gabbert as my friend advocated for her on certain occasions joe biden is the person whos winning and thats the democratic process and it seems that hes the person that people are choosing and want to be the nominee and we have to respect that now again about joe bidens you know Mental Fitness and all of that and President Trump people are acting as though President Trump is i agree with jen that hes very entertaining but this idea 5 that hes so incredibly sharp we wouldnt be having this conversation if you if you were that sharp so i think youre going to have 2 elderly men on the stage going after one another and you know debates number one dont really make a huge difference in peoples decisions number one and number 2 its going to be 2 elderly old men sitting there trading barbs and its well i mean whats going to you know that jason jason say about turnout but i have to i have. To hang on were almost got to go to a break i just want to Say Something and you can kind of compare the way trumpet spoke in 2016 to now its changed very little ok i dont i dont always agree with what he says but if you compare joe from 2016 to now theres a huge difference there ok and the fact that they keep him away from media gives gives rise for a reason to have this program in the 1st place its not trunk trump mental facilities that were talking about here hes consistent all the way through all of the time remarkably so has it he doesnt even seem to push each other. Remember jim you just heard about is getting all right on that im going to have to go to a short break it will go back to jason after that short break after that break well continue our discussion on joe biden stayed with our to. Join me every foes on the elec simon chill and ill be speaking to guests of the world of politics sports business im show business ill see you then. 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Go back to jason in washington i hate cutting people off but when you have to go hard break you have to go to a hard break go ahead jason. Yeah you know i would just say that we certainly cant say that President Trump is this incredible debater you know hes not necessarily someone who comes with facts hes somebody who repeats himself over and over what were going to have is 2 elderly men who are going to trade barbs one you know one after the other apologize for calling you steve peter i also want to say that debates dont really matter and the reason i say that is because a objectively speaking a loser with war and won the democratic debates on several occasions as a matter of kamel herse 6 want to debate you know early on and yet he didnt even make it to the pros jason jason idea that j. C. Are they have but i mean. Theres an old myth i will give you all of that jason agreed fine but let me. Jason all of the candidates you mention spoke fluently if they won or lost the debate we have one candidate that looks like the presumptive nominee they cant finish sentences jan youve been trying to get in go ahead George George w. Bush had problems speaking we can agree on that peter jordan. George w. Bush looks like youre already there george w. Bush will take it or greater next joe biden its going to jan thats going to generate new york it was hang on its no use to come on no no no it isnt it wasnt it it was that he couldnt speak dont jones. Go ahead go ahead. Jason is absolutely wrong here if you want to suggest that debates dont matter ask Mike Bloomberg what happened in nevada i mean look Mike Bloomberg should have never agreed to be on the stage who was. Very much this isnt that bad a debate look no but look at debate that proves that debate Elizabeth Warren became the defacto moderator of that debate debates do matter if its an unscripted moment anything could happen on the debate stage i generator for a president ial debate for a major t. V. Network and look if you think debates dont matter look back at the august 2015 debate where meghan kelly went up against donald trump he ended up winning that he won every debate since that he became the nominee because of it so debates do matter they might not matter in a way that you can draw the dotted line from a disease but they do matter what Mike Bloomberg why hes not in the race today its because this is a battle of debate all right real quick jason real quickly want to get out of the area. Here. Real quick jason go ahead real quick go ahead. Yeah i just want to say with Mike Bloomberg heres the issue it wasnt just a debate the problem with Mike Bloomberg was that whenever Mike Bloomberg speaks no one ever comes away liking him or hes a surly person he doesnt really have a whole lot of personality he has no charisma and thats whether hes on a stump speech whether hes in a church or whether hes on a debate stage it doesnt matter you never listen to him and come away like and youre more its different with President Trump its different even with joe biden its different with Elizabeth Warren d ok but this guy im sorry doesnt have the ok i dont know i mean ive been watching reno i think what youre. Saying is that she doesnt have to go ahead once or start over again well if youre going to have it so that lets let walter speak go ahead well well well this is but this is just an absurd scenario that were talking about here i mean why does it have to be joe biden versus donald trump why does that have to be the ultimate most consequential decision that the people of the United States have to make between these 2 right wing serial liars who are in the pockets of big corporate interests joe biden somebody has been figure for decades donald trump somebody whos a member of the you know this hated billionaire clas