American election because i said in my introduction both biden and trump want they like to if theyre shown these apps ok that ad versus ad very anti china obviously but i dont see it really making much of an impact on the electorate because there are so many other issues theres the pandemic there is an economic turndown and all the sudden its all chinas fault somehow believe me i understand what that feels like living in russia there yeah i think that you know thats certainly south think that performed at work ill it. Afterward for us because china has been such a big part of president trounced our whole you know policy agenda and so i think thats something that is really important on the list some experts think that its you know one of the top one or 2 or 3 issues d i dont know that it has that certainly agree with that but its something that they have to address but i think you know both candidates. Theyre talking about china in a negative light blaney things on china certainly the coronavirus pandemic which you mentioned you know President Trump has stated that its led to a mass worldwide killing and said that china covered it out and biden hasnt done much better to be honest about it and you know both candidates have talked about being tough on china weve definitely seen President Trumps track record in terms of the trade war weve heard yet it biden talk about the fact that he wished prohibit u. S. Companies from abetting repression wanted quote at supporting the chinese Surveillance States also talking about imposing economic sanctions on beijing and so these are this is something that definitely is in the air although right now i think they occur on a virus issue is on the top of the list its going to be a junior i mean yeah i think as i said i consider my introduction and its a lot of written rhetoric because the captains of industry in finance have done extremely well in their interactions with china over the last few decades i dont think they want to see that change one iota so im on the one hand i think its very rhetorical. And in the end it incites passions and emotions but i dont see the c. E. O. s and president s of companies doing very much about. Putting into play the rhetoric of either candidate and i think its real its actually quite hollow though it does seem designed on ice some people. Well the problem is that the companies the culprit the pollock remark that has been benefiting from you know disco aint a trade or asians ships as well as investment ratios china dont get any sympathy from present trump and his folks i think this entire campaign in 2016 going to a white house has been built on this theory that china has to be steering the jobs Market Companies go moving to china together we just shops and hes appealing to is Political Base that ive been pretty much you know perceived as the victims of that the move but. This is actually you know fundamentally as a comic some work but unfortunately you know his entire political pop 8 though is based on death theory so unfortunately you know compromise test benefit the message he found the child the relationships the trade between the 2 countries amount to a 700000000000. 00 company marcus operation here in china the reach somewhere between 400. 00 to 500000000000. 00 of revenue. As a lot of money for america but the thing is that. Is political but it doesnt benefit a lot from dad and he had to have any sympathy yet you did tax these people this Corporate Leaders of being you know operating again in china so so his entire mandate is to quit in my opinion of Corporate America out of china and his entire you know can carry on towers against china is based on a theory that you know should go to congress. But United States and china so ok i dont know if this actually benefits United States from economic one of you but unfortunately thats what he believes and you know we can debate about that after x. Off this trade. Theres no empirical evidence showing up in you just a hook as a trump strategy doesnt matter to me is it is not a hallmark of for his approach. That it. Is and thats thats his source is coming from unfortunately he wanted to have china being a champion issue in 2020 an actual problem is that today you know chinas entire intractable operation is less than one day sofa 4 in fashion United States that this white you know the china issue is inevitably connected to this mismanagement and total fiasco in content of house and house this so this is not coming as strong on one side he has to clean up the childish you im just on the other side it reminds of American People of the shah contrast between china and United States respect to the congo policy issue but dont give the American Media that much credit and the American Public knows virtually nothing about china at the end of the day here sir im going to put you on the spot here can you name can you give me what a one job one shot that china stole from america and you think of one job because i know a lot of jobs that were taken out of america by americans and brought to china to give to Chinese Workers i think i hear this china stole just didnt steal one job its against the captains of industry and finance that moved their operations is that chinas all or is it their fault but its certainly an American Carrier and i think thats thats really where the jeffrey is wrong here go ahead yeah i mean i would agree that. The rhetoric is incorrect it was you know politicians and also the captains of industry as you say who are in charge of moving jobs especially manufacturing jobs out of america manage to china and here the not mention mexico into all these other countries in the name of free trade and while i believe that free trade is a good thing because it helps us to buy lots of cheap stuff you know and raise our standard of living our low salaries can help to a more eroding salaries can help him to buy more stuff as a result of that. The government has not put into place appropriate protections for american low income or middle income workers and you know thats really the big concern but notwithstanding all of that you know there really are some issues with china that i think that you know theyre trying to administration has not really guys and cheer its not about china causing coronavirus or stealing jobs or whatever or having a trade surplus with us none of that makes sense but it is true that china has and continues to steal antal actual property from the u. S. That is a major issue here is also that china continues to be to ramp up its aggression towards hong kong thats another piece of this long qantas part of china if im not mistaken correct it is that it was supposed to be governed separately one country 2 systems and yeah i really didnt want to go into the hong kong issue but if you want to so what should the u. S. Do i mean i mean what do you know beijing is watching whats going on in portland you know its a good time to Say Something about that to china to punish america for whats going on in oregon i mean its just i mean double standard. Huge double standard errors it is i mean i dont think they you know i dont subscribe to the view that the u. S. Has to be the policemen of the world i think that is too much of a. You know a loaded role though for it and for us to take on but i do think you know that the u. S. Needs to respond and that the west somehow needs to respond to this type of promotion of authoritarian as a violation of human rights those are basic things that i think there should be some response year now why should the response be i dont know that it should be economic sanctions per se i think thats fairly me it seems to be watching after a year of these protests in hong kong as if these are the leaders of these groups that actually ended up with a net loss for all the people of hong kong ok so i think it was kind of a fools errand and now you have people like my campaign or talking about human rights are you kidding me the secretary of state is talking about human rights i mean gitmo is still open ok so i dont see any moral standing on the side of the United States to talk about chinas human rights record at all john you want to jump in on that go ahead well let me 1st address this issue not stating to not your property as. So ross mansion i think this is of course why i think this is a. Gross country again a campaign coming from white house coming on this trump im afraid i mean lets talk about you know cyber theft of intellectual property now there are many going to have. Access from russia i have from the United States these are 1st of all i dont think in trying to try not to get a comment 2nd china has the largest population we have. People so natural republic the largest population of. Cyberspace you know you shipment this to a sort of space monster. The whole of the nation approach to syria market its not 2 properties thats just crazy i mean give me a warning example of one technological achievement as a result of you know americans in Action Properties you know that get any advantage if you didnt have a lot of talk about this in the past in the media the last 2 years or so but if you dont show all of this this this profit and ill just acquisitions you get down to the details find one example that actually substantiated one i had earlier and i have i went through a licensed section 30 report is 200 page report house times talking about hoarding to Dr Properties after that kind of thing is i mean these are examples 1st of all i think your 2nd now more than 20 years ago did not have a clear theres a kind of a middle ground on this is well is it is my understanding and im happy to be corrected if im wrong here but a lot of the joint ventures in American CompaniesForeign Companies have in china it entailed Technology Transfers as part of the deal do you business there so i mean if you signed the dotted line you cant say you didnt know go ahead. There yeah i mean i would just say you know what i was saying is that there actually is evidence that there is state sponsored hacking of american firms and european firms and also Government Entities and you know im actually pretty prochoice that i think that you know stealing intellectual property is is is not a good way to compete on the world stage and it doesnt create a good feeling or a sense of fair competition. Most recently their works you heard it on here i have to jump in here we have to go to a hard break and after that heart breaking to your discussion on chinas role in the American Elections david our. World is driven by dreamers shaped by foreign troops and those with. Dares thinks. We dare to ask. She stressed to us take a surrender but as a in the bill of books you know the war was a terrible. Job she was so here she needs to taste it if shes going to push caution. Which she doesnt have time oh look what you. And i must get youre going to me what you. Want to talk to me show that youre my if youre going to contribute. To the mr so its a quarter im going to put them to get over your decision to be but you both to to its a studio actually of course the soldiers live on pushing. To spin. Spin the. Welcome to cross talk your all these are considered computer labelle to remind you were discussing chinas role in the us election. Oh it was go back to it now its all share a there right before we went to the break you try to make a point already here you are still most recently there were 2 half years you were indicted by the us shall you and your and they were accused of hacking not only you know for their own benefit but also hacking out to be how. The governments and their actual individuals from the governments one particular individual. From the ministry of security who is identified as working with these hackers the. Narrative about these hackers is known and types of hacks that they carried out is also known. And they were indeed stealing intellectual property from biotechnology firms from. Medical device engineering firms and found the military you know of course chinas not alone but china is responsible for 40 percent of global had well he went a little bit interesting i think we need to be fair the way its reported by the u. S. Government in the media is that only countries that america doesnt like tax them ok hacking is going on all of the time its a very lucrative illegal profession for a lot of people and some people do it for governments no doubt about it but to single chinatown only it is doing that its like you know russia hacked the American Election well there were certainly individuals that were if your password was password you probably would get hacked ok mr podesta ok sorry were hearing so so sorry i did not already to date thats a lot. Less are you going to claim that im going to claim that the cia the n. S. A. Im not engaged in any of these activities i mean this is the biggest foreign tell if you tell me that right everybody does that so you know this is no surprise to me and also when you refer to one part of the history that is not a states was engaged in a massive. Amount of fighting National Astronauts i wasnt one that was an 80 hunter and that sort of i wasnt im good at 900 why United States engage in that you know activities to steal. Attacks now technology is frank bring Benjamin Franklin embassador to paris was look. Its been a hot snap welcome stealing textile technology. A castle a no gun. That was a wonderful time in history that you have states was pretty much you know simply just china right now because the United States so im going to this is something that i think that in a i think you know about it you know why the government and you should. Tell active it is like yes but i think china is trying to do this somehow i think as part of the trade agreement. The 1st phase of the trade in agreement is something regarding that aspect that theres much im not and hes from the state governments a perspective its not going to you know a sponsor all of us want to know trying to tell who tried activities going up trying to do these things in all 4 commercial ballots so hes not issues that can be addressed i would not throw. A chance trying to get to meet with him intimately i mean this is going to be very very broadly it and in one of the things thats really misunderstood about china at least from an American Point of view is that its very difficult for americans in the american political elites to see china as an equal peer because the United States hasnt had one for 6 or so very long. And you know if we could go back to you people are talking about the new a new cold war with china that i think thats true ok but you know during that the original cold war of the United States versus the soviet union is that the soviet union had very specific high technologies in the military but not other places china has almost everything that you could imagine to be an american peer industry well Technology Actually has a unified people america is very very divided here as well and one of the reasons why its hard for americans the tape china as a peer seriously would you agree with. I dont know yet i think that certainly people of your china as a had it or at least a competitor. There are worse but so is you know germany for example but i think that you know people see china as an increasing aggressor that is thats the major issue i think between the u. S. And china and you know these intellectual property issues have been going on for many years i should also point out that you know under obama his agreement with the president and it because of their diplomatic strong diplomatic relations trying to stop attacking us or several years until trump was in office and so you know these are theories there are some things that can be worked out diplomatically but at the same time we see chinas increasing aggression in the South China Sea. You know you also see where the American Interest is there in the South China Sea because if im not mistaken its called the South China Sea because its near china not to put that money in california it might be my problem i think the idea is that you know that the u. S. Needs to or feels the need to and im not saying that you know this is necessarily right but the u. S. Feels the need to entertain what it views as an increasingly aggressive china and even under obama you know secretary has made it inside Hillary Clinton i mean to say mind aggression here what do you mean by. Well i dont know countries china invaded recently. Well were talking about is increasing military activity certainly thats a side of aggression and also. The other there. You noted statements from the Pacific Islands merican lake i mean it dont you think it was maybe an opinion on the head john. I wouldnt say problem well. Speaking of regret aggression i mean 1 i dont know if you heard about them the dean principal Michael Ledeen used to work for the pentagon is a very famous saying abbot 10 years ago every 10 years also you know states need to pick up some crap in a new country just sort of has to walk to mean we were to meet we took to Thomas Street in a war that we mean business i mean if you look back at history as not was every 10 years ago or so its like you know once every 3 or 4 years a whole. States pick up some crappy Little Country as they were against the war to show toward. Europe to. Tell us also to just to say that you know china