A melting pot as a city and we really celebrate that but we should not force our citizens to look up to have to look up at you know monuments of confederate soldiers whose goal was to uphold slavery and this is a thing certainly a traumatic experience for someone to see and someone especially someone of color will inevitably see that and wonder well am i actually in a place where i belong culturally does this place actually represent my values if its willing to you know have a monument that celebrates my ancestors and slaves meds and i think that culturally and psychologically it is important to make sure that those kinds of monuments do not remain are going to those those that are using 90 minutes came down after a Broad Community discussion correct sure because they would see this is well you know i have no attachment to confederate statues and monuments 0 i dont i simply dont i was born that outside boston massachusetts ok and so i dont have that kind of. On the ground cultural history however tyler my point in asking this was that you know it should be communities that decide because people come together and they make a decision if they want to remove it have it moved someplace else as a historical artifact because we all except the fact that slavery did exist in the United States and we should never forget that it did and ensued through history particularly at it after the civil war there were political reasons why these statues were put up some im reading but im during the Civil Rights Movement as a as a protest and we need to understand we have to understand where these statues came from i dont think they should be. Destroyed i think we should preserve them and understand them ok well i think that the us has a lot of reminders of the consumer see out the monuments now on the one hand for tribune are to make that. You know a friend of mine started saying americas history wasteland a lot of people prefer to just get rid of things rather than deal with them and theres some debate to suggest that that is whats going on with what we call the market wars not the other hand i advise for people who want to tear down these monuments simply because a case example being the university of North Carolina there is a structure called silent sound which was supposed to represent all of those who fought for the confederacy and attended that particular school and if you look at the history behind i mean the speech that was given when it was read to us actually horrendous and recent it made it very clear what do you intend she wasnt honoring the confederacy and it was deliberately White Supremacy now when the protesters asked for it to be removed or when they actually removed it themselves there was a deal struck between the University Administration and a local group of those who were sympathetic to the confederacy memory so wish it was going to be over a 1000000. 00 to essentially preserve the monuments that was going to be i think they are the taxpayers expenses or through that wish and it was paid by the students so i understand the argument that communities should decide but on the other hand it seems that its a number of people who are at the top who are making these decisions are more interested in just getting the problem away and willing to donate money for that which i dont think represents the Community Centers and i think thats a disservice to history is well ok i mean like i said in my introduction we dont remember things just fairness ows you to feel good about something we actually remember most things because theyre very painful and i think the if i go out i think its really important you know when this actually that was just mentioned here i think that it and i want in your opinion of course to preserve that and explain why it was put up what the meaning was then and how we should interpret it now i think thats it i his be last and all and it all in itself. So i cant speak to that particular statue but i will say that i do agree with putting confederate statutes in museums so all that we can still preserve that history and understand that history in the proper context but to have those statutes put on pedestals and to have the confederacy and its value celebrated and glorified is an obvious problem and i would echo the professors point that there is an issue when you have you know institutions claiming to be for justice and for equality but really theyre just trying to silence people from protesting more sort of divert attention away from whats going on by whether its donating money to people who are interested in preserving the can or glorifying the confederacy his legacy. Of perpetuating other issues so i hear what youre saying about Community Input and i agree obviously this is what happened successfully in new orleans but i do think that the statute should be put in museums and that is the proper context that they should be observed there is going to go step through the current lets take a look at robert e. Lee ok one of the most important if not the most important veteran general during the civil war but he also was commandant of west point before the civil war and hes now in for reforming it in some of those reforms stand to this day should his legacy and west point for example be wiped away disappear well i think whats interesting about robert he leaves ugly she said himself shortly after the civil war to not correct i mean. For consumers to me it was it was very clear that what happened was traders add to the fact for us for days and so many others it is reflective of how i think a number of people want to move on now with the monuments being read to that was a deliberate act much of the view the united daughters of the confederacy in the early 20th century was an expression that they expected and wanted to maintain america as a white. Premise this country in the intro to black people throughout all of these airlines was never considered and i just want to go in this point of you know cultures g h i mean we talk about the wrecking of culture all the time and i think thats a misunderstanding of the term culture is not static i mean what we believe now a verse is 100 years ago i think is drastically different and has progressed to a large degree and i think thats a good thing and so when people talk about preserving heritage we have to be honest about what their parents are just and since the mid 20th Century America is a very different place as far as diversity than it was prior to 965. 00 so the degree to which any of these monuments represents the communities under which they were placed is now questionable and i think within this particular moment communities are rising up because they feel that they have an actual voice and input that is now salyut those who are leading clear how can how can we cant with physical culture remember this is a whole war what is a way what is an obvious to do that without glorifying or without dividing us so i think there can be an educational approach to this and addition to putting these confederate statutes in museums there should be an educational push to have folks really esteem those who fought on the side of the union who learn we can learn so that we can learn more about these individuals. And really uphold though the values of those individuals this summer actually read team of rivals which was about you know the political sort of strategizing of Abraham Lincoln and his character and what what shaped him and as a president as well as his you know upbringing and it seems to me that we dont actually teach that much about these individuals again who fought on the side of the union so i think that if we could have an approach our Education System by emphasizing the values of the union and emphasizing. Those soldiers who died on behalf of america and who did not you know prove to be a traitor so the country i think of that would provide a good balance and again to reiterate putting those confederates that should shouldnt be destroyed but should be put in his saddle so that they can go place in a proper hot college should we read joe actively people 100 years ago by their words and their way their way their viewpoints but equally on race i mean even at Abraham Lincoln if you look at it very closely i mean he he he believed ending slavery was in principle as a christian thing but he didnt particularly like black people ok but he did it on principle all right and if you go to his lead recent things like that it doesnt come off as this you know this squeaky clean abolitionist ok i mean he had he did it on principles and i think are universally agreed now i mean obviously but he was a pioneer and particularly the president of the United States living as far as judging people who passed under present circumstances i think most historians and most people who think about this would generally agree that its not if you really believe that in the end in the kind of atmosphere that we live now i mean the statues are being defaced abolitionists are being defaced ok Francis Scott key ok im sorry to interrupt but i think that you know we have to be very careful thats why were doing this program well i think its an indictment against mr is traditionally hot degeneres and that we i think ever since weve been attached to monuments throughout the u. S. As we valorize individuals and i think thats always a problem i mean if youre going to position marty minute around a particular individuals memory the idea behind that is this is a mess this is a persons message histories to how youre supposed to perceive them now i cant speak for all protesters or people who are too facing the monuments but one thing that i would suggest is you cheat and judge people based upon the circumstances of their own time and what i what im seeing with you know discussion. About washington and jefferson is not that what they eventually did was a terrible thing as far as writing the constitution or the declaration of independence which eventually will open up freedom and liberty to numerous people is that they were talking about freedom and liberty while who explains so the d. Indictment against them is that they were hypocritical in their entire process how they Construction Industry and was asked suggest to descendants of slaves people or descendants of Indigenous People or anyone else whos been marginalized in the prestons country is that there were a number of men who were not willing to extend the full benefits of all that really they were talking about to start. And they were aware of that at the time and if you look at the debates they look at the federalist papers you look at the then its the basis even of the declaration of independence i mean basically were going to kick the can down the road they were ok where they can say they didnt know any and they were very strong abolitionists and there were those there of course works were going to jump in here were going to go to a short break and after that well continue work its question on statues id say. During the vietnam war u. S. 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Signatories and writers of those of the bill of rights were slave owners now i have to say i think on this point i disagree with the professor i dont think i think if the standard is do not put up statutes of any human being period i think thats a consistent standard but if the standard is do not put up statutes steaming the Founding Fathers because they were hypocrites i think thats a bit of a slippery slope because who knows that we will be a. To esteem our own values in 2020 and moving forward who knows that we were not also proved to be hypocrites and trying to stem the values of morality and equality moving forward and i think that the statues that were put up to honor jefferson and washington and the Founding Fathers in contrast to those put up to honor the soldiers of the confederacy were not put up to celebrate their vices but to celebrate their virtues and to celebrate the ideals that they represented in spite of the fact that they fell short of those ideals and i dont think that theres anything wrong with that and i also dont think that theres anything wrong with putting up a plaque next to them to highlight the hypocrisy and to expand upon the complexity of their of their lives and what they did in the brutality that they did uphold but again if the standard is to not put up statutes of people who are hypocrites then there will be no statutes of anyone and perhaps that is the way we should move forward and thats an argument thats thats worth making perhaps but again i dont personally have a problem with statutes that were put up or not of the Founding Fathers but tell a little sex a lot of people do and this is one of the things like i said at the very outset i dont mean to be can can better its that is and monuments at all 0 but a lot of good there are people that do that and what bothers me is that what weve seen during the last few weeks is that this is kind of bled over to all down views that are somehow. A day are going to fight with the establishment or traditional history and it seems to me this is a slippery slope that people are going down i mean some of the graffiti written on some of these statues were written by people that are illiterate i mean do they know what theyre doing or is this just some kind of rage go ahead well i think once again it might be time to he goes through american Education System and then i think a lot of younger people still lie to him that they have not received the full context. What the u. S. Has done and allowed people to do i mean the fact that a traitorous region was then reclaimed and defended in their envisions to put up consider monuments not just within that region but all over the United States i mean there are reflections of this in california even in las vegas where i live to the degree that what we are seeing is a number of people feel that this is something that shouldnt it should have been reckoned with and it should not should not have been tolerated strugar early 20th century in the war was over but a number of people wanted it to be alive and even in the textbooks of that time that for trade a very benign version of slavery and so when i say that we have a lot of reminders of the confederacy and thats inference in American History now in regard to the degree to which they should be moved to museums i sense who agree with that but we also have to recognize that moving these to museums requires a lot of money and a lot of museums as you just said that they received calls from state legislatures who say look we want to reduce money keepsake and they say no were not equipped we dont have the finances so if the state wants to actually invest in the preservation of monuments and build museums tell the truth about the confederacy or its just that i think whats happened within the United States is that government funding has not been sufficient to actually sell the history of the United States for those who go to these places to try to learn about it so what i see with what young people are doing is that they might be destroying monuments as a way to get attention to i think larger issues this might be symbolic and literal toppling the confederacy in its nunnery but also ensuring that structural change is actually implemented by the government but its clearly what about the federal statues because weve been talking all about statues that are in cities and. Theyre under a local administration in control and this is turning into a really he. Good debate right now because some of these statues are federally owned and theyre protected in the taxpayer subsidises them how do we deal with that i mean would you like to see congressional action an executive order how would you see this play out. Yeah i mean its an interesting question in terms of the process that would need to be embarked upon to take down problematic statutes that are put up under the jurisdiction of the federal government im sure thats a conversation we can have in congress weve had congressional testimony is whats a guide to reparations for example im sure there can be another kind of session in congress that where we can talk about this and perhaps secure that finding that for us or just mentioned to put that in place i dont see why it should be such a barrier in theory just because were talking about statutes that are held under federal jurisdiction why do we stay with you why is this so how can he you know i mean. He was like i mean we just got to see i think its been a complete 3 years that weve been talking about now is