Choices id like to have. And then if that was the case id written this book you know of running which has been read by millions around the world and that book says you must carbohydrate load and i knew that if people followed that advice that they would get type 2 diabetes just as i did that so i had a choice either to keep quiet or to say gosh im sorry im going to be harming people and that if you are insane resistant and eat a high carbohydrate youre going to die from diabetes so i came out and said im sorry i was wrong but that turnaround only came around the age of 60 and until that you were already have pretty astonished big name and to fill this question actually your company pretty is the 1st. Drink and you are people. You know if you want to stay fit and healthy you have to eat a lot of credit to get yourself and the ultimate prize didnt ever are on it any dollar ever are actually our friend your mind i know could not not for one moment thats how brainwashed i was my problem was that were not going to see my medical training and when to just science i went straight into cardiology and wikked with some of the talks cardiologists and type something in south africa and it was. Back to the time when the new dodgy guidelines came out 976977 and semiprecious there was a new current each bottle you cant eat bacon and eggs you cause to eat sausages and he was strangled necked in the bin that you it if you had breakfast with him you had to eat your cereals in grains and so what was i mean just think yes there will be one of the wilderness archies telling me what the American Heart Association and says is good for me my wife fortunately never listened to it and she continued to eat the butter in the cheese and then says he was lost at me she says how could you have been brainwashed by these people but the reality is youre with them every day its very difficult thats think otherwise. I dont want to downplay your legacy but i think thats probably the most important thing that youve ever gotten your life you know what i mean she had her delusion searing and that extending from it and then that and i think that it was misguided and actually you know taking the i prefer to reverse the damage because this is what me need our governments from south africa to the United States to russia you to recognize that this economy bishan to prioritize carts was in a state of gigantic proportions of. Billions of dollars and yet for some reason theyre still very slow in doing that even if they arent current because our Public Health system is our last bad guy because of the car so why do you see yourself. Because the industry controls everything thats being done they control what tor to medical schools not think thats important in their control that dietetics advice thats given out and if you stand out of line as i did then the industry would try to take you out as they tried to do with me and i was fortunate that i could stand up and because i knew the literature and i knew that i could beat them on the literature and so in my trial we presented all the evidence to prove that the low carbohydrate diet is very beneficial for a majority of people then we could show that and they they actually didnt try to contest it. They tried to make out that i was harming patients and getting advice on twitter was very dangerous because millions of people will die as a result i mean that that was the level of this year kitty and we were able to show that thats not the case and say i can absolutely that its extremely difficult to change what industry is going to shouting and i know as seem a lot to you youve interviewed him and he makes the point that the British Government has a choice and Doris Johnson is has kind of had 90 and just survived at midseason ive a right but why does he say im going to start cycling when youre caught up cycle as ive seen said youre caught out cycle a bad un but he but johnson concept you gotta eat truck and he neither can the South African government said right eat broccoli because the industry went allow that to be stayed and thats thats the reality imagine call it 19 i truly hope that the Silver Linings are based academic would be robbing them a sense and see all changing the way people eat you know on the freezer Public Health officials. I wonder whether they him out of the information we have about this virus right now is it safe to say that it would have never become a calamity of such little proportions if it didnt land on the populations whose house has already been undermined by day case of car bingeing yeah you know that the the c. D. C. Came along a few weeks ago im sorry a few days ago and said that youre not dying of kind of 19 you dying of the camel but if you didnt quite say that that thats the that is an argument and i have this argument with people what do you die from are you dying from the diabetes or their credit 98. 00 and its a close run thing but i think you can make the argument that if you are metabolic you healthy you can survive this virus so the virus is not a killer and then theres a paper came out 2 days ago she just bought a 2nd many would get him a d. And reduced the mortality dramatically and and reduce hospitalization so it seems surprising to me that this virus actually can be read treated with relatively simple interventions like that and d and certain medications so its not the killer but its become the killer because its it affecting a particular group the old elderly and it was and as with with the metabolic syndrome i dont want to bore our audience with too many medical details but from my understanding of these that the way this virus operates its actually. The marine mate for people where addicts of parts consumption my understanding is that if your glucose levels are under control sorry mate jacket virus but it wont be just like any other in france its only when your body is on to mine by you know day kids our hearings are consuming those things that are strong here on the inside its only that and that would be become so exposed to what you call rb that. Yeah i think you have said iraq of ours needs glucose and it needs a damaged body you know to to replicate and thats a key if it replicates directly and in large numbers then youre in china but if it doesnt contribute because your blood because it is normal and join you in system is in good shape then youre going to get it without serious infections and i think that thats very care you know its interesting people say that this is one of the few viruses thats really a tech the european populations and its not as if its us not its africa and thats why people have 72nd saying about it if it was just in they in the underdeveloped will satisfy that people wouldnt be as concerned about it as they are so theres another sort of political side to it as well up until recently it was sort of to soon that people who try to report cards for doing that in part out of that it to look younger to the barrier by keeping their waiting chat but i actually think that the comment not in these redefining the danger posed by cars because its not longer about the exterior its actually about whats going on inside your body and to add a social dimension whether your countrys Public Health secretary can deal with so many metabolically challenged people at once i wonder whats the most striking cannot. Carps and call it 98 for you. Yes so you know its really interesting because i spoke to some members of parliament in 22000 and south africa and that was again from trying to gauge news and from that moment i was targeted by my own university and so on and in that talk i said so that again is sitting on a time bomb that has its metabolic syndrome so last week when there is a major newspaper report in south africa some effort is sitting on a time bomb because of their relationship with talk to diabetes and kind of at 19 so many were they were just 7 years too late and people ask me so what have you been doing to make sure you dont get credit well ive been doing jane use of this diet and supplementing with that im a d n sync and trying to be metabolic eat healthy you need at least 2 months probably if youre us metabolically unhealthy if you get it started eating a low carbohydrate diet within 2 months you might well be in a state where youve recovered enough to cope with that so that the big message is its never too late and thats what maybe this this disease is teaching us president s i think you would agree that its not about all or nothing even slice changes to die especially round they can sound crass japanese in a pretty constant pressure results i heard you say mind you that you know just sad days of cutting out the capsule it seems you will of course profile in a way that. May not necessarily make your last susceptible to the virus back well i have or are you rather a batter right nicety right said austudy saying that that people with because its like elevated when they catch the virus and was shocked and those who got normal get kind of concentrations and youre quite correct we do know that you can take recent onset diabetics and in 7 days you can normalize their view because control im not saying theyve reduced their diabetes but their gear because control can be normalized in 7 days. Thats insane not to seriously diabetic and it said recent onset which tells me that the vast majority of people dont yet have diabetes but they have an abnormal glucose response to a couple hydrates so it just takes you 7 days of eating 25 grams of carbohydrates and thats all you have to do and you can start normalizing your because control and if the virus hits you off to 7 days you definitely be a better shape and at much lower risk and thats much more a factor that has it to do rather than you know talking about what the government is doing or not doing and thats not to mean that we should not keep an eye on what their game but i think people sometimes. Fail to recognize that they have a lot of that own agency and when it comes to color and i think thats critically and its not the government but rather your own efforts that can protect your proper miss. You know i just wish all these governments would come along and say you know us where the face most of do all these things but they should all know if a small skit should say if you eat you if you eat junk you will get sick dont stop. That would be a decent message gone bad just add that you know the bottom line. Yeah its a its a very good day here the South African government picks up the pace and thats me how do you short break now the people that battle just your mom and. Says hes just to make sure that the but national and the bill of blood turned out that he had the will to. Stop the show so you see then the statistic it is easy to see why bush cut off from. You what you got to what you see death happened and what you. And i must do to her moment and what you should. Want to talk to me short of your might youre going to perceive you believe. Its a mistake so its a horrible im going to let them talk to spirit or does it seem to be a valuable piece that its a stupid actually a person or so grossly wrong or should stop them spinning. The. Welcome back to all the part of that process and you know some prominent South African athletes scientists and Health Advocates prison noakes i know youre full wastes at least on the surface. Taking good care of your body and your rod i dont know how many restricting more than 17 years are marathons and also marathons i why do you know being an athlete if that actually salaried or. Slow down the onset of insulin resistance because you have to consume carbs in much greater quantities than the rest of us. I think it is generates a quite frankly so what i learned you know the richest make its easy to go richest make it one of the reasons i love danielle to marathons was because i would go to these very long runs last year 4 or 5 laws and did not feel fantastic and i realized what an. I was getting into ketosis which i never was because i was eating so much because i was finally getting rid of all of the crops once i cut the cobs im felt like that will the time i was chris found the instant existence from a very young age and it it took me 3040 years to come out with type 2 diabetes and i just eaten the high fat diet low carbohydrate diet i would never have got into this state at all so the point is that all the running couldnt offset the problems with a couple hideouts you know one of the 2 studies i ever did was to look at why people were dying in marathon races and the we were the shows to show that you could have that balance carnie archly disease carnie as a rescuer as you said that heart attacks even if you were marathon runners and at the time that jerry was if you ran a marathon youre immune from a lot disease for ever your knowledge of studies showing that connery archie disease is quite prevented in marathon known as if you define not reducing your risk now i am not mistaken its at his sons yes reverse era type of diabetes despite being very very resistant that you are current take are rather its a count that ive seen being very not say here having seen your father being taken away but if these why did it take you so long because a lot of people i now i mean they were off the mat but then months. Parts out because i think that said im quite good at all in stage or type 2 diabetes as it were and my pancreas is probably not succeeding enough insulin anymore and and you do it kind of there is a gradual recovery of instance accretion and i suspect thats what happened with me that as i got my do because under control b. The tank that excels good read drive properly and start producing a bit more insulin but i mean i was right at the end stage you know i shouldnt be alive essentially i shouldnt be alive to that my dad died 10 years off to the diagnosis and and he typically went through all the problems lost his legs and then died and so i should have 10 years into the diagnosis and remember i probably had the disease for about 4 or 5 yes before and then the diagnosis. And so i might be 16 years down the road and i should know i should have kidney failure heart attacks strokes lost and you mentioned your dad after is still in terror painful subject for you but i want to bring out once again partially because of my own pain of seeing my loved ones indulging themselves compulsively under the pretext of you know we only once or i have to give myself a bit of steel see these difficult times. Diabetes death and and fast diabetes live what does it look like. Its awful you know i know that cancer deaths are awful but i suspect that diabetes days are much worse and the problem is that the 1st thing you are likely to have is a strike a heart attack is ok because you have lived through it but it strikes you then it can leave you unable to speak like my father couldnt speak so when he died we couldnt say goodbye to each other you didnt can go blind and or you can go to reno state and i mean australias probably the worst because now youve got to go into dialysis if youve got the the privilege of having dialysis machines nearby your witches and then your docs change etc you cant eat salt so the time doesnt taste very good and then you lose your limbs and once you lose your limbs you become totally dependent on someone to carry you to the bottom for example and how humiliating is that because my father was a very powerful strong men independent man he became dependent on people to keep him alive so the reality is you know that you can choose you can choose i think the way you die and my goal in life is to die in my sleep and without taking credit medication that that should be everyones got that choose that your web death and that led to the biggest threat is to die in a safe and then youve had to then youve done to extremely well. I notice but. What are the x. Rays and x. Rays and if i something along the lines that were not living longer anymore we have done longer parts and they call for the best of making the later stages of life theyre pretty difficult not only for the people are living those lives but also for everybody around them i think the worst and the cruelest of all is that its even bring it myself you cant reverse it and its also meeting on that hard to do that yes it takes a bit of a discomfort bread its easily damper millions of people reverse that type to die be. Yes and everyone watching us today can do it if not for themselves then at least for that loved one so that they dont have to carry you to the bathroom when youre you know going to thank you for making those points because they the points that also got to met my fathers death had a great effect on me because we couldnt say goodbye but will say on my children and grandchildren it has a huge impact on them because now they only remember their grandfather in this that this way and i dont think its fair for me to do that to my children and my grandchildren this 2nd point you said about travis we have to understand that diabetes is a choice and i think thats the point youre driving its a hevia you choose to have type 2 diabetes and you do not die from type 2 diabetes you die from it in appropriate treatment and thats the key so you have the choice and all you have to do is to restrict couple hydrates to listen 25 grams a day and to probability is that you have a 60 to 70 percent has some of the disease and 90 percent youll be able to stop taking insulin and isnt is the killer insulin is the key driver of ill health and arterial disease that if you decide to make that choice one of the things you will have you will have to contend with is hunger and this is one that i want to talk to you about in medicine we have people are usually afraid of and understandably so i mean our alison happened at the time of scarcity is no longer the case for the majority of our your disbelief in the time of chronic abundance and it is my deepest convictions that during this can be not the only but the one of your best friends what do you think about it the agreement that well you know the book the reason i went on the stock was because i saw an ad on on my email new 6 kilograms in 6 weeks. 36 pounds in 6 weeks without hunger it was that without him and i said thats a lot you cant lose weight without anger and then i noticed the book was written by some friends of my doctorate chrisman and his colleagues and i said they sold out this is compete for wrote so into a book a book and then having read spirit i realized they were promoting the atkins diet and i tried it and im going to sit yet and i reduced my calorie consumption genetic data were lost will the whites i needed to lose and then i realize that hunger is the key says yes i say yes now is the key you have to find the foods that satiate you and destiny doc that will allow you long term to lose right its got to satiate you in a wider interview that you sort of have it or that hunger has different personalities and there seconds you know that in certain people its driven by probably innocent people driven by fat. People its driven by sugar the sugar cravings that we have its actually from what i understand is not the real hunge