To discuss that im now joined by a professor its you know some prominent South African athlete scientist and the author of the lore of the attrition practice i know so its such a privilege for me to talk to you so great to see you thank here thank you very much as an illness be on your show i dont want you to hear it in the beginning of our conversation but your an extraordinary your great. What i find most impressive about you is that having it humiliated all thats left is. You actually had the courage to recognize that much of your lives were misguided that it actually cost harm and you had if you just say it out loud that shakespeare and authentically strong person do that how was it like for you. You know its on that thank you very much you know i didnt realize what the outcome would be when i changed my mind but i like the truth and i had watched my dad dive type 2 diabetes and as a medical doctor you know i would have sort of like to help him but i couldnt because i was raised in the paradigm which holds that diabetes is an irreversible disease its progressive so what i saw happening in my father that i expected to happen when i didnt have time to donkey cheese and then by chaunce came across a book which convinced me that the low carb diet was the solution to diabetes and then i tried it and i reduced my diabetes and i knew i had one child i had 2 choices id like to have. And then if that was the case id written this book you know of running which has been read by millions around the world and that book says you must carbohydrate load and i knew that if people followed that advice that they would get type 2 diabetes just as i do so i had a choice either to keep quiet or to say gosh im sorry im going to be harming people and that if you are insane resistant and you know high carbohydrate youre going to die from diabetes so i came out and said im sorry i was wrong but that turnaround only came around the age of 60 and until that you were already have pretty astonished big name and to fill this question actually your company pretty is the 1st. Drink and you are talented people. You know if you want to stay fit and healthy you have you know a lot of friends and you get yourself and your plea to the ultimate prize do you ever are on it any dollar ever our friend your mind i know that not not for one moment thats how brainwashed i was my problem was that were not going to my medical training and when to just science i went straight into cardiology and wikked with some of the talks cardiologists and type something in south africa and it was. To the time when the new dodgy guidelines came up 976977 and semiprecious there was a new card each bought a you cant eat bacon and eggs you caused it sausages and he was strangled next in the bin it you it if you had breakfast with him you had to eat your cereals and grains and so what was i mean just think yes there will be one of the wilderness archies telling me what the American Heart Association and says is good for me my wife fortunately never listened to it and she continued to eat the butter in the cheese and then says he was lost at me she says how could you have been brainwashed by these people but the reality is youre with them every day its very difficult that think otherwise. I dont want to downplay your legacy but i think thats probably the most important thing that youve ever gotten your life you know what i mean she had her delusion serving him that extending from it and then that and i think that it was misguided and actually you know taking the i prefer to reverse the damage because this is what me need our governments from south africa to the United States to russia do you to recognize that this economy bishan to prioritize carts was in a state of gigantic proportions of. Billions of dollars and yet for some reason theyre still very slow in doing that even if they arent current because our Public Health system is our last bad guy because of the car so why do you see yourself. Because the industry controls everything thats being done they control what tor to medical schools not think thats important in their control that dietetics advice thats given out and if you stand out of line as i did then the industry would try to take you out as they tried to do with me and i was fortunate that i could stand up and because i knew the literature and i knew that i could beat them on the literature and so in my trial we presented all the evidence to prove that the low carbohydrate diet is very beneficial for a majority of people then we could show that and they they actually didnt try to contest it. They tried to make out that i was harming patients and putting advice on twitter was very dangerous because millions of people will die as a result i mean that that was the level of this year kitty and we were able to show that thats not the case and say im absolutely that its extremely difficult to change what industry is going to shouting and i know as seem a lot to you youve interviewed him and he makes the point that the British Government has a choice and Doris Johnson is has kind of had 90 and just survived at midseason ive a right but why does he say im going to start cycling when youre caught up cycle as ive seen said youre caught out cycle a bad un but he but johnson concept you gotta eat truck and he neither can the South African government said right eat broccoli because the industry went allow that to be stayed and thats thats the reality imagine call it 19 i truly hope that the Silver Linings are based academic would be robbing them a sense and see all changing the way people eat you know on the freezer Public Health officials. I wonder whether they him out of information we have about this virus right now is it safe to say that it would have never become a calamity of such little proportions if it didnt land on the populations whose house has already been undermined by day case of car bingeing yeah you know that the the c. D. C. Came along a few weeks ago im sorry a few days ago and said that youre not dying of kind of 19 you dying of the camel but if you didnt quite say that that thats the that is an argument and i have this argument with people what do you die from are you dying from the diabetes or their credit 98. 00 and its a close run thing but i think you can make the argument that if you are metabolic you healthy you can survive this virus so the virus is not a killer and then theres a paper came out 2 days ago she just bought a 2nd many with them in d. C. You can reduce the mortality dramatically and and reduce hospitalization so it seems surprising to me that this virus actually can be read treated with relatively simple interventions like that im in d. And certain medications so its not the killer but its become the killer because its it affecting a particular group the old elderly and it was and as with was the metabolic syndrome i dont want to bore our audience if too many medical details but from my understanding of face that the way this virus operates its actually. The marine mate for people where addicts of parts consumption my understanding is that if your glucose levels are under control sorry mate jacket virus but it wont be just like any other in france its only when your body is on to mine by you know day kids our hearings are consuming those things that are destroying he on the inside its only that and that would be become so exposed to what you call rb that. Yeah i think you have said iraq of ours needs glucose and it needs a damaged body in order to replicate and thats a key or if it replicates directly and in large numbers then youre in china but if it doesnt contribute because your blood because it is normal and your immune system is in good shape then youre going to get it without serious infections and i think that thats very care you know its interesting people say that this is one of the few viruses thats really a tech the european populations and its not as if its us not its africa and thats why people have 72nd saying about it if it was just in they in the underdeveloped will satisfy that people wouldnt be as concerned about it as they are so theres another sort of political side to it as well up until recently it was sort of to soon that people who will try to avoid cars for doing that in part out of vanity it to look younger to the barrier by theyre waiting chad but i actually think that that comment 19 these redefining the danger posed by cars because its not about the exterior its actually about whats going on inside your body and to add a social dimension whether your countrys Public Health secretary can deal with so many metabolically challenged people at once i wonder whats the most striking cannot action carps and call it 98 for you. Yes so you know its really interesting because i spoke to some members of parliament in 22000 and south africa and that was again from trying to gauge news and from that moment i was talkative and university and so on and in that talk i said so that again is sitting on a time bomb that has as metabolic syndrome so last week and there is a major newspaper report in south africa some effort is sitting on a time bomb because of their relationship with talk to diabetes and kind of at 19 so many were they were just 7 years too late and people ask me so what have you been doing to make sure you dont get credit well ive been doing 10 years of this diet and supplementing with that im a d n sync and trying to be metabolically healthy you need at least 2 months probably if youre us metabolically unhealthy if you get it started eating a low carbohydrate diet within 2 months you might well be in a state where youve recovered enough to cope with that so that the big message is its never too late and thats what maybe this this disease is teaching us president s i think you would agree that its not about all or nothing even slightest change just about especially round they can sound crass japanese in a pretty constant rational results i heard the same whine to you that you know just 7 days of cutting out capsule it seems you will coast profile in a way that. May not necessarily make your last d perceptible to the fire effect well i have or are you rather a batter right nicety right said all studies saying that that people with because its like elevated when they catch the virus and was shocked and those who got normal get kind of concentrations and youre quite correct we do know that you can take recent onset diabetics and in 7 days you can normalize they give you cause control im not saying theyve reduced the diabetes but your cause control can be normalized in 7 days. Thats insane not to seriously diabetic and it said recent onset which tells me that the vast majority of people dont yet have beaches but they have an abnormal glucose response to a couple hydrates so it just takes you 7 days of eating 25 grams of carbohydrates and thats all you have to do and you can start normalizing your gross control and if the virus hits you off to 7 days youre defending me in better shape and at much lower risk and thats much more a factor that has it to do rather than you know talking about what the government is doing or not doing and thats not to mean that we should not keep an eye on what their game but i think people sometimes. Fail to recognize that they have a lot of that own agency and when it comes to color and i think thats critically and its not the government that probably your own efforts that can protect your proper miss. You know i just wish all of these governments would come along and say you know you were the face masa do all these things but they should all know if a small skit should say if you eat you if you eat junk you will get sick dont stop. There to be a decent message gone they just edit you know the bottom line. Well yeah its a its a very good day here will be at least the South African government picks up the pace and not so we have to use your and break now to rebuild the baton to your mom and. What weve got to do is identify the threats that we have its crazy. Let it be an arms race. Theory Dramatic Development the only im going to i dont see how that strategy will be successful very critical time to sit down and talk. During the vietnam war u. S. Forces are also bombs neighboring laos there was a secret war. And for years the American People did not know. How much it is officially. Country per capita. Human history millions of unexploded bombs still in danger lives in this Small Agricultural country jordyn wieber. Even today kids in laos full victims of bombs dropped decades ago because the us making amends for the tragedy in laos wont help to the people need in that little land on. Welcome back to her part of the professing to nelson on a topic of 3 scientists and how advocates prison alex i know that youve always said at least on the surface so good at taking good care of your body. I dont have any racing more than 70 and there are marathons and ultra marathons i wonder if you know being an athlete if that actually salaried or. So down the onset of insulin resistance because you have to consume carbs in much greater quantities than the rest of us. I think the center writes a clock frankly so what i learned you know in retrospect its easy to go in retrospect and one of the reasons i loved running ultramarathons was because i would go to these very long runs lost in 4 or 5 hours and then not feel fantastic and i realized what an f. And i was getting into ketosis which i never was because i was eating so much cause i was finally getting rid of all of the crops once i cut the carbs im felt like that all the time so i was chris soundly in some resistance from a very young age and it it took me 3040 years to come up with type 2 diabetes and i just eaten the high fat diet low carbohydrate diet i would never have got into this state at all so the point is that all the running couldnt offset the problems with the carbohydrates you know one of the 2 studies i ever did was to look at why people were d dying in marathon races and the we were the shows to show that you could have that balance coronary Artery Disease carnage as a rescuer as you said that heart attacks even if you were marathon runners and at the time that jerry was if you ran a marathon you were immune from all disease forever your knowledge of studies showing that carnie arent you diseases contribute on to marathon as if youd actually not. Do you see your risk now i am not mistaken its of his sons yes reverse your type of diabetes despite being very religious and that you are part and take our brother intake and i see him being very motivator having seen your father being taken away by the nice why did it take you so long because a lot of people i know i mean they were often mad within months of hiding the parts out because i think that said im quite good at all in stage or type 2 diabetes as it were and my pancreas is probably not succeeding enough to use it anymore and and you dear it kind of there is a gradual recovery of you since you creation and i suspect thats what happened with me that as i got my dear cuz under control b. The tank that excels good read drive properly and start using a bit more insulin but i mean i was right at the end stage you know i shouldnt be alive essentially i shouldnt be alive to that my dad died 10 years off to the diagnosis and and he typically went through all the problems lost his legs and then died and so i should have 10 years into the diagnosis and remember i probably have the disease for about 4 or 5 us 4 and they can assess and some might be 16 years down the road and i should know i should have kidney failure heart attacks strokes lost and your mansion get out after a silly pair of painful subject for you but i want to bring out once again pressure because of my own pain i have seen my loved ones indulging themselves compulsively under the pretext of now we only once or i have to get myself to have teal seen the difficult times. Daddys death and and the past agonies live what does it look like. Its awful you know i know that cancer deaths are awful but i suspect that diabetes days are much worse and the problem is that the 1st thing you are likely to have is a strike a heart attack is ok because you have lived through it but its shaped you then it can leave you unable to speak like my father couldnt speak so when he died we couldnt say goodbye to each other you didnt can go blind and or you can go to reno state and i mean aside is probably the worst because now youve got to go into dialysis if youve got the the privilege of having dialysis machines nearby your witches and then your docs change etc you cant eat salt so the time doesnt taste very good and then you lose your limbs and once you lose your limbs you become totally dependent on someone to carry you to the bottom for example and how humiliating is that because my father was a very powerful strong men independent man who became dependent on people to keep them alive so the reality is you know that you can choose you can choose i think the way you die and my goal in life is to die in my sleep and without taking credit medication that that should be everyones got that choose that your web death and the web the biggest threat is to die in a safe and then youve had to then youve done to extremely well. I notice but. What are the x. Rays and x. Rays and if i something along the lines that were not living longer anymore we have done longer perhaps they may call prevent making the later stages of life pretty difficult not only for the people are living those lives but also for everybody around them i think the worst and the cruelest of all is that its even bring it myself you cant reverse it and its also meeting on that hard to do that yes it takes a bit of a discomfort credits easily damper millions of people reverse that type to die be. Yes and everyone watching us today can do it if not for themselves then at least for that loved one so that they dont have to carry you to the bathroom when youre you know going to thank you for making those points because they the points that also got to make my fathers day had a great effect on me because we couldnt say goodbye but also on my children and grandchildren it has a huge impact on them because now they only remember their grandfather in this that this way and i dont think its fair for me to do that to my children and my grandchildren this 2nd point you said about travis we have to understand that diabetes is a choice and i think thats the point youre driving its a hevia you choose to have type 2 diabetes and you do not die from type 2 diabetes you die from it in appropriate treatment and thats the key so you have the choice and all you have to do is to restrict couple hydrates to listen 25 grams a day and to probability is that you have a 60 to 70 percent has some of the disease and 90 percent youll be able to stop taking incident and incentives the killer insulin is the key driver of ill health and arterial disease that if you decide to make tha