The president ial candidate for the democrats he had an interview with the news outlets are stars and stripes and the men are very clear that he would continue the foreign wars in the middle east should strips would remain there he had doesnt contemplate any kind of cuts in defense spending and at the same time we have like the Eurasia Group foundation which is kind of in the sec its a very centrist and they have research tend to be overwhelmingly the public supports less militarization of Foreign Policy and decrease in military spending and are on the side of ending these forever wars why is joe sticking to the bush obama agenda go ahead mark well i think that its the white the American People want is probably in line with like joe biden wants no one wants to be an endless wars apennine change man is sometimes necessary and you know everyone would last you know in the Defense Budget after 19 years its still worth it how. Well look i think you know but look we can we can just you know different decisions made by different president s and i would say that there is a diversity of the lassa fever among the different president s that you names but i will say were talking globally about engagement versus isolation as also mentally this is about fomenting and trying to encourage peace in a very particular way and very tricky way and i think its i think its challenges and that doesnt mean just in that you know military engagement means diplomatic engagement needs Economic Engagement it means figuring out how to balance the tools in our tool catch to try to create stability and peace around the world and ultimately that is in the American Interest so i think that when we reduce these arguments into something about do or not do this is its you know yoda and starwars this is this is a complicated Foreign Policy you know discussion and i think we have to take it case by case but but youve got you can go ahead make a play get out but its a difference with all due respect i think the American People are tired of its complicated ok thats why we need leadership and i dont think President Trump has been a very good job in this respect to make a line here why is that the binary isolationism interventionism i see that all the time its a false argument well im im still trying to get over there ocean of fomenting peace i love that notion of were going to do were going to enrage people were going to to increase the courage of the vortex for peace by by engaging our military to foment peace we are forgetting the fame and if you will of the the essence of this issue and that is simply this what is our mission nobody is against military involvement military action defending our allies but the idea that our of being there does something magical to keep our enemies and why we need to know why are we there look i dont want to go deep state police state intel. Stage shadow government ruling class but this is the military Industrial Complex that has been a part of the american political system irrespective of party thats what this is this isnt going to do with beach nobody can explain what were even doing in afghanistan yet if you ask people that had something remotely to do with 911 and that said there was nothing unamerican by demanding that we have a clear and cogent and limpid system of protocol and a message and a mission and thats it you know lowered it it seems to me because if we quit you know campaigning as campaigning promises or promises ok were all political junkies here but it seems to me that no matter what a candidate says maybe with the exception of hell ill see gabbert which the democrats dismissed quite quickly. And i feel very unfairly is it doesnt really matter what your political stripe is the permanent state or what people call the deep state theyre just going to keep calling the shots because you know ill give trump credit for at least trying to get out of his quagmire ours but the deep state or the permanent bureaucracy constantly blocks dont you think thats going to happen to biden to go ahead well im not going to disagree that the military Industrial Complex is tower fall but they do i think that they are calling the shots alternately i think thats a tin hat Conspiracy Theory accent look that under the globe all the gloves the distribution of global power is something that no single president can ultimately change but the u. S. Has a responsibility as a leader to unite our allies and to try to ensure that we have it because ultimately he helps us in and it protects our American Security and you know you cannot let go of the military option entirely i think thats naive i think you humble and i dont disagree with no 100 is employing a minute i didnt say that i didnt say. Ok again its a false binary cut and i dont want to engage on the fastener but im just telling you what im hearing here when i say bad that theres this conspiracy that the military deep state is is directing and calling the shots i will say best donald trump is making big moves but the impact of those moves does not seem to be beneficial unilaterally removing troops from situations before ensuring that there is debility and a vacuum is not created also met lete doesnt do any good us any good it can be a great talking point so they can petri out but will after this and take out a sound withdrawal and the culprits hollaback will beseech the Afghan Government i have a more stable in gauge event will we see the peoples livelihoods if the us isnt the American Peoples responsibility to maintain peace in afghanistan while what is why is the United States in syria why its even legal under International Law it was not invited there and it is not about it im sorry its protecting its oil its not that its not americas oil to protect ok legacy lesleys my point here no one likes to talk about these things are very inconvenient or presence for peace think it keeps the civil war going on but here youre arguing against it without ad out without advocating for a solution so i suppose you know youre saying if you did everybody out lucian its very simple if you get out then the parties on the ground will have to figure out how its i think its how you get out name take no get your on the airplane then you get out no go out if this is ridiculous see this is an argument you can see i do this all its not to result in the kick the can make i tell you what if you get out there are people turn. Well 1st i love whenever something is promoted that is true that has been spoken of since eisenhower is valedictory the military Industrial Complex when you dont know what to say with all due respect to our guest some measure of the facts coming my way or so. You bring up this this fact need trope about conspiracy theories just become the Climate Change whatever you dont know what to do why are there fires Climate Change now if you want to just say you dont believe in Climate Change either just to be clear i believe in Climate Change i believe in weather and the sun but i do not believe in an anthropogenic cause a genre. No never how was seen none of the housing maxima thermals anybody who really knows anything about this when are you anyway aside from that is what im going to do battle of the bunkers and youre already have a big problem i dont visit they get bigger ready but yours they look no further than a whoa look no further than the Atlantic Council look no further then people are trained to read old cold war rousseau phony tropes there is a murder sure that is going on in the idea lets just go back to afghanistan where people have this this is they create this fantasy that by our being there were teaching villagers how to drill for well means or something just so happens in afghanistan is the saudi arabia of libya and every conceivable precious metal that you can imagine that a friend of mine one time said what would have been the chances of our invading iraq if their main export had been progress we have to stop repeating these wonderful tropes and throw isnt about how theyre defending the world and somehow maintaining peace but heres a question you asked me if we were to leave lets just next year or less you say we just sat right there is our syria figure out why. What happened how what our oh and our in the United States how our or anybody elses National Security meet just so happens there are some pipe or here its about gaps its about getting straight to the mediterranean and rusty he reminding us that the frank capra wonderful idea is you know were going to spread liberty or never i mean this is your 2020 where were past. I dont take it for how but laura did but it seems to me i mean we have to remember on obamas watch was the catastrophe in libya and i see the same kind of intimacy susan rice a whole ring around joe biden i see Samantha Power hurrying around actually they both spoke at the the r. And c. I mean you want it with people with resumes like that should would you would you be happy to see them in a biden ministration well listen im just id like to place on one basketball that some of the things that have been sent here ultimately you know that there is a binary being advanced by lionel here and its that being involved no good can come of it you want to talk about syria for a minute lets talk about syria for a minute there were the complete absence of the u. S. President s president s leaves room for russia and turkey to gain a foothold in the middle east it creates instability in the middle east and it leaves a pathway to peace as as a shimmer existence and this is as absolutely ridiculous to say that there is no impact when you remove american troops now it isnt an ideal situation youre be advocating for that again you know why is this important here but i dont hear any of that over here all the while you decry this binary that doesnt exist so as american presence in syria bringing about peace now what it does is it doesnt allow the government to rebuild ok i mean i mean the u. S. Government continues to say action syria after the u. S. Lost its last there and its process is let me do you a seat is easy and i dont croak unsalted really not a credit its all in every case and i just allow them places you know foreign governments that are adversaries of the United States russia being one of them turkey being one of them just taking over the power and and im leaving a power vacuum everywhere why do you say you are lacking is that where it sounds right it would actually make people sit down and talk instead of funding terrorist groups in the middle east you know if you know if saudi arabia is a close ally be United States. Only not when saudi arabia is is exploiting the most noxious ideology you can possibly conceive of do you have you know youve never met or end up ok know that man is a one of the big in the region would have figured out youre ok and then about the military im just saying why is this in the American Interest to be in afghanistan in syria and iraq when the Iraqi Government and people want us to meet how can we help the iraqi people and nothing all right on this point i have to go to a hard break im like im trying not to be rude here oh well we did it when we return well continue our discussion on a river war say. Elderly forward to talking to you all. That technology should work for people. I robot must obey the orders given by human beings except where such orders would conflict with the 1st law show your identification or should be very careful about our personal knowledge and the point of view see is to create a trance. Very thing with Artificial Intelligence where some of the demon. 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Ok laura you and i were having quite a heated discussion before we went to the break i think i owe you a time to reply im going to be to let me just say i dont know where to start because you just keep tossing in countries the game but ultimately we have to also get to know about the other day that the other instruments that were talking about here which is the erosion of the diplomatic work is this is an entirely military solution this is an economic solution that needs to be with the instrument about solution being the work you need to have diplomats in gauging and you also need to have alliances i mean america is at its strongest when we have our allies moving forward when were at the center of these negotiations were working she use our influence and pride so that we can defend our economic interests and ultimately promote democracy because we know that liberal democracies dont fight with one another and only by worse than one another do you know why didnt i just let. Finish one sentence and that would be great you didnt interrupt lionel but you got sure you will at some point but liberal democracies dont fight with one another so we should be advancing peace and that you may say that thats naive but that should be the ultimate goal with these sort of moves and that so youre not going to agree with me even on the diplomatic you have no right in the cloud and the votes are here and our lives so well be democratic ok that is i didnt say that i didnt say or i did was say anything like let it go ahead jim. Can you do that you went back in time and took somebody who lets see right around the vietnam era brought them back listen to this conversation and ask. Which one do you think of those people talking right now is the democrat whos a republican or if you would say well this this very very well spoken woman i think is she must be shes a hardliner shes a hockey shes a republican so where are you sending about. Writing him arguments we did in beat it not we never learn to shower him back you know we have to go there let me explain you one thing that you will never hear joe might claim for honor or speak through his wisdom decrepitude you will never hear the country china or. Mention anything we will continue with the intro zooming team over russian or in this room so old thinking bating because bad has been the theme from the get go so the idea is simply this the Democratic Party has sold out to whatever you want to call it another Conspiracy Theory it was a conspiracy in fact of the people who have won this country for ever and that is you when it comes to military Industrial Complex whatever joe biden is a manchurian candidate a man who does not know where he is a man who was basically changed who were radiator in a root cellar somewhere was going to be some planted within 2 to 3 months kamel harris if theyre successful is going to be put in there the ultimate men cheery mentor in canada who will make the reclaim look like ramsey clark now we can pretend all we wanted we can use terms of ongoing unit being strong but this is about giving the checkbook to the people who have the. This country doesnt radio youre not going on at all youre not youre going to not me that i am oh thats ok its good i know youre just did so jump it well here is the day you can do that i dont know how you dont just drive out of the temple have i dont know understand how anybody yet that we want to talk about sign us joe biden is absolutely psyched about sign actually now hes against your he added thats going to replace by com i hear i mean i would you miss your new alliance or write novels that would keep me up at night and bigger rated maybe we can guess what movies you know 90 and id say there isnt but that has no business getting you know guy friends who are going to policy look me in the eye and look at hair in the eye and tell me that no particular time or do any of your style though democratic operatives has the subject know when is common my hair is going to replace job i tell me that has not been addressed tell me they hear me i have to say anyone ever has not talked about the Vice President s fitness to lead in the advent of the president we talked about it was already very nice residence in the dawn of time someone you know your grandmother crowd here and i said you are not you know if you talk about 10 well i want you to tell me that you honestly would bet any amount of money that joe biden could continue his term if elected you are finished me saying that you really believe. Were going pretty far afield here ok i want to stay with the Foreign Policy or oh laura what did you think of obamas Foreign Policy because it looks like its going to be an echo about in potential new ministration so give us a score card for obama how long have you got i mean that listen i think its complicated why dont we pick an area and you could narrow your question id happily answer that i think you know but your to do i get its a libya i think its even and i well you know look it was the perfect absolutely not do i think we need us. All cell rejection use of diplomatic aims use of an economic investments use of sanctions appropriately and and you know i dont think that he was a military interventionist need we didnt go to bronze go and work on i mean thats what 7 so yeah i think he was and i know that it has attempts to try to move troops and where he could certainly happen so i think you know this is a i but i understand you have a completely different version of history about mosul you know so i dont i dont think i could have you know im