The essence of this issue and that is simply this what is our mission nobody is against military involvement military action defending our allies but the idea that our of being there does something magical to keep our enemies and why we need to know why are we there look i dont want to go deep state police state in tells a shadow government ruling class but this is the military Industrial Complex that has been a part of the american political system irrespective of party thats what this is this is something to do with beach nobody can explain what were even doing in afghanistan yet if you ask people that had something remotely to do with 911 and that said there is nothing unamerican by demanding that we have a clear and cogent and limpid of system of protocol and a message and a mission thats it you know lower it it is. It seems to me because if we you know campaigning is campaigning promises or promises ok were all political junkies here but it seems to me that no matter what a candidate says maybe with the exception of hell ill see gabbert which the big the democrats dismissed quite quickly and i feel very unfairly is that it doesnt really matter what your political stripe is the permanent state or what people call the deep state theyre just going to keep calling the shots because you know ill give trump credit for at least trying to get out of his quagmires but the deep state or the permanent bureaucracy constantly blocks dont you think thats going to happen to biden to go ahead well im not going to disagree that the military Industrial Complex is tower fall bent but do i think that they are calling the shots also and i think thats a tin hat Conspiracy Theory accent look that. The global let the globe the distribution of global power is something that no single president can ultimately change but the us has a responsibility as a leader to unite our allies and to try to ensure that we have it because ultimately he helps us and it protects our American Security and you know you cannot let go of the military option entirely i think thats naive i think you humble and i dont disagree that no 100 is important and i know i didnt say that i didnt say but ok again because its a false binary cut and i dont want to engage on the false binary but im just telling you what im hearing here when i say that back then there is this conspiracy that the military deep state is is directing and calling the shots i will say best donald trump is making big moves about the impact of those moves does not seem to be beneficial unilaterally removing troops from situations the for ensuring that there is debility and a vacuum is not created also met late doesnt do any good us any good it can get to be a great talking point than a campaign trail but we will after this i think at. Yeah withdrawal and the ok but its how back will we see the Afghan Government how are stable engagement will we see the peoples livelihood is it the us is it the american peoples responsibility to maintain peace in afghanistan while what it is why it is the United States in syria why its even legal under International Law it was not invited there and this is not about it im sorry its protecting its oil its not that its not americas oil to protect ok legacy lesleys my point here no one likes to talk about these things are very inconvenient you know there were presents for peace think it keeps the civil war going on but here youre arguing against it without out without advocating for a solution so i dont know if you know youre saying if you did everybody out lucian its very simple if you get out then the parties on the ground will have to figure now its i think its how do you get out maintain a no get your on the airplane or you get out you know go out if this is ridiculous see this is an argument you can see i do this all its not to result in the kick the can i tell you what if you get out there are people time. Well 1st i love whenever something is promoted that is true that has been spoken of since eisenhower is valedictory the military Industrial Complex when you dont know what to say with all due respect to to our guest some measure of the facts coming my way or so. You bring up this this fact need trope about conspiracy theories just become the Climate Change whatever you dont know what to do why are there fires Climate Change now if you want to just say you dont believe in Climate Change either just to be clear i believe in Climate Change i believe in weather and the sun but i do not believe in anthropogenic causes asian. No never how was seen none of the house in maxima thermals anybody who really knows anything about this when are you anyway aside from that is what im going to do battle of the bunkers and youre already have a big problem i dont believe they get bigger ready but yours i think look no further than a ho look no further than the Atlantic Council look no further than people trained to dredge up old cold war rousseau folding trucks there is a murder sure that is going on in the idea lets just go back to afghanistan where people have this this is they create this fantasy that by our being there were teaching villagers how to. Drill for welds or something just so happens in afghanistan is the saudi arabia of libya and every conceivable precious metal that you can imagine that a friend of mine one time said what would have been the chances of our invading iraq if their main export had been progress we have to stop repeating these wonderful tropes and throw isnt about how theyre defending the world and somehow maintaining peace but heres a question you asked me if we were to leave lets just next year or less you say we just sat right here is our syria figure out why. What happened how what our oh and our in the United States how our or anybody elses National Security meet just so happens there are some pipe or here its about gaps its about getting straight to the mediterranean and rusty he reminding us that the frank capra wonderful idea is you know were going to spread liberty or never i mean this is your 2020 where were past. Well take it for how big laurie but it seems to me i mean we have to remember on obamas watch was the catastrophe in libya and i see the same kind of intimacy susan rice a whole ring around joe biden i see Samantha Power her ring around actually they both spoke at the the r. And c. I mean you want it with people with resumes like that should would you would you be happy to see them in a biden ministration well listen im just id like to place on one basketball that some of the things that have been sent here ultimately you know that there is a binary being advanced by lionel here and its that being involved no good can come of it you want to talk about syria for a minute lets talk about syria for a minute there were the complete absence of the u. S. President s president s leaves room for russia and turkey to gain a foothold in the middle east it creates instability in the middle east and it leaves a pathway to peace as as a assume or existence of this is as absolutely ridiculous to say that there is no impact when you remove american troops now it isnt an ideal situation youre be advocating for that again nuance is important here but i dont hear any of that over here all the while you decry this binary that doesnt exist so and so merican presence in syria bringing about peace you know what it does is it doesnt allow the government to rebuild ok i mean i mean the u. S. Government continues to say action syria after the u. S. Lost its last there and its process let it do you a seat is easy and i dont croak unsalted really not a credit its all in every case and i just allow them places you know foreign governments that are adversaries of the United States russia being one of them turkey being one of them just taking over the power and and im leaving a power vacuum everywhere why do you hire that gives out anywhere that sounds right it would actually make people sit down and talk instead of funding terrorist groups in the middle east you know if you know if saudi arabia is a close ally be United States. Certainly not when saudi arabia is is exploiting the most noxious ideology can possibly conceive of let me know you dont love it or end up ok i know that man is one of the big in the region would have to figure it out here ok and about the military im just saying why is this in the American Interest to be in afghanistan in syria and iraq when the Iraqi Government and people want us to meet how can we help the iraqi people and not right on this point i have to go to a hard break im like crying like oh when we return well continue our discussion on forever war state. Time after time corporations repeat the same mantra sustainability very important to accelerate the transition to sustainable price board sustainability. A more equitable and sustainable world. They claim their production is completely harmless. The big. Companies want us to feel good about buying their products while the damage is being done far away this is something this lets keep going to an even and. We didnt. 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Ok laura you and i were having quite a heated discussion before we went to the break and i think you owe you a time to reply im going to be here let me just say i dont know where to start because we just keep tossing in countries the game but ultimately we have it also gotten about the other day that the other instruments that were talking about here which is the erosion of the diplomatic work because this isnt entirely a military solution this is an economic solution that needs to be foments and with the instrument about solution being that will matter work you need to have diplomats in gauging and you also need to have alliances i mean america is at its strongest when we have our allies moving forward when were at the center of these negotiations when were working to use our influence and pride so that we can defend our economic interests and ultimately promote democracy because we know that liberal democracies dont fight with one another and only by words when our teams are now look were going to just let me finish one sentence and that would be great you didnt interrupt lionel but you got sure you will at some point but little democracies dont fight with one another so we should be advancing peace and that you may say that thats naive but that should be the ultimate goal with these sort of moves and that so youre not going to agree with me even on the diplomatic route you know wrote it and youll also hear and our lives so well be democratic ok that that is i didnt say that i didnt say or i did it was say anything let it go ahead jim. When he went back in time and took somebody who lets say he died right around the vietnam era brought them back listen to this conversation and ask. Which one do you think of those people talking right now is the democrat whos a republican or if you would say well this this very very well spoken woman i think is she must be shes a hardliner shes a hockey shes a republican so where are you sending about. Writing him arguments we did in beat it not we never learn to shower him back you know we have to go there let me explain you one thing that you will never hear john mycelium or honor or speak through his wisdom decrepitude you will never hear the country china or. Mention about anything we will continue with the intro zima over russian or in this room so old thinking bating because bad has been the theme from the get go so the idea is simply that. The Democratic Party has sold out to whatever you want to call another conspiracy here it was a conspiracy in fact of the people who have won this country for ever and that is you want to come the military Industrial Complex whatever joe biden is a manchurian candidate a man who does not know where he is a man who was basically change who were radiator in a root cellar somewhere was going to be some plant and within 2 to 3 months kamel harris if theyre successful is going to be put in there the ultimate mid cherry mentor in canada who will make the reclaiming look like ramsey clark now we can pretend all we wanted we can use terms of ongoing unit being strong but this is about giving the checkbook to the people who have one. This country doesnt radio youre not going on at all youre not youre going to not me that i am oh thats ok its going i know youre just did so jump it well heres the thing you can do i dont know how you dont just drive out of the temple have i dont know understand how anybody we want to talk about sign us joe biden is absolutely psyched about china you know hes against your he added lets get your place by com i hear i mean i would you miss your new alliance or write novels that would keep me up at night and bigger rated maybe we can get you a movie its you know 90 and id say there isnt but that has no business that you know guy friends who are going to be policy look me in the eye and look at harry in the eye and tell me that no particular term to any of your fellow democratic operatives has the subject you know when is common my hair is going to replaced you know by tell me that has not been addressed tell me they hear me i have to say anyone ever has not talked about the Vice President s fitness to lead in the advent of the president we talked about it was already very nice residence in the dawn of time someone you know your grandmother crowd you know i said you are not you know if you talk about a 10 foot well i want you to tell me that you honestly would bet any amount of money that joe biden could continue in his term if elected you are honestly saying that you really believe. Were going pretty far afield here ok i want to stay with the Foreign Policy or. Laura what did you think of obamas Foreign Policy because it looks like that is going to be an echo about in potential new ministration so give us a score card for obama how long have you got i mean and listen i think its complicated why dont we kick in here and you could narrow your question id happily answer and i think you know but your to do i could say libya i think its even and i well you know look it was the perfect absolutely not do i think we need. Sale rejection its use of diplomatic aims use of an economic investments use of sanctions appropriately and and you know i dont think that he was a military interventionist need we didnt go to bronze go and work on i mean thats was 7 so yeah i think he was and it was nobody but his attempts to try to move troops and where he could certainly happen so i think you know this is a i but i understand you have a completely different version of history about mosul you know so i dont i dont think i could have you know im shocked not just i noted version of it ok i think i said to you prior to this recording is that im equally hard on the democrats and the republicans equally hard on obama and on donald trump because im more interested in nonintervention and im very strongly entitled war and i think a lot of miss opportunities we have experienced there and it happens under all it ministrations and thats why i go back to what i said earlier is that it doesnt really matter who is president because youre going to have a permanent democracy then mins and that the only hills and people like that say the interagency consensus well i didnt vote for that you didnt in line will did ok and it seems to me and i will agree with what i know maybe i dont have the same kind of solaris delivery that lionel does but you know im a little bit worried about the guy you know if he got all his marbles because i see these people surrounding him and these people are bad people they made bad Foreign Policy decisions and theyre still around. I mean listen you cant even if you say that youre against republicans and democrats equally but you only named the Obama Administration so it sounds like you guys the Obama Administration official with the ranee i dont think that was you know it was a good deal was a good diplomatic deal and i thought the Obama Administration for not taking that as a starting point is start stabilizing the middle east it was a great opportunity to do that and i think truck was a fool to walk away from it so there i give you a good example. This and i didnt like the iraq you know and thats what obama and to dont give kudos of president obama he was rather are reluctant to do what his military advisors told him and the hawks regarding syria he could have done a lot more so he wasnt completely all in but let me just explain to me you are suggesting that were going to abandon diplomatic negotiations had bangs who ever were talking about military let me did let me just be very basic how do we explain to the war and now were in all of these beasts is all over the world now i know this may be unamerican to say that i havent even got it though i do not read about his own which gives the United States a right to go in and say were going to tell country who they can speak with were making deals and saudi arabia we have with our diplomatic schizophrenia is imperceptible to most people how does how do we tell anybody else you deal with this and by the way since were so worried about the stability of the