Lets keep our fingers crossed that basic conflict doesnt happen and and then you reasons for optimism have its put it that way because its been going on on and off for almost 30 years and i know that back in the late 99 just land russia france and the United States got together to form the socalled mens group of which you were right will share. Their view was that you werent going to solve it fairly quickly what was fuelling that often is that that time and why people are still dying in that war and that kind of off 20 to 20 years later though be good to explain that. Theres been a difficult its going. To be heard to resolve seeing that in the middle east weve seen it in a user its those simply they present to the. Chances but what we saw in the ninetys and whats been missing lately and i hope can be a severance is a willingness to develop a relationship between the you so its. No to ninetys. As a basically president head or a leader in russia you had a president who hired me near the river to churn and actually started developing the ruperts all relates it didnt mean they liked one of the good they were able to gain sort of tristen one and the other is to explore real compromises salukis it happened earlier with senator earlier through as a volunteer presumably suit but that ambassador i think thats actually air one of the problems because in one of your articles you mention that almost every imaginable solution has been brought to the table that were really you know weighted because one of the sides armenia is that sat on preserving the status quo ad and the other side as every john finds it unacceptable what it be fair to say that this conflict perhaps has exhausted all the potential of being sold politically. So you do not believe. In him i would say the woods. With the rest should be United States interests is good sears is actually were better than many people give it credit for the dialogue inserted between the diplomats has been amazingly so even when relations between some of the parties are because typically russia in the United States has been strained in other areas the cooperation here is the. Base of the make it is clear to anybody and thats youre going to do what you have been mechanism for what is what keeping negotiations going sure that flat and ink the conflict how not so convinced because i mean that i think there is an almost and universal recognition that it was a savage on who started this war and there with a lot of. Preparatory means i mean they put a lot of effort into the preparation that she had to actually blame them for right initiating this military action after all those years of essentially fruitless negotiations. It is it is a meteor and it will always respond relented so it has. Been a great dinner making it even a secret out of that i mean they have not their own right and that territories recognize this there is other international law. The their position didnt end in the played and its taking place right now and may well are started in july there is kurdish 17 people died then and i think the tensions there are different after that so its been waiting crude incident along the line of conflict to reinitiate still he said after what i think is possible and it were doing becomes. Were doesnt really fit in here is is open hes a fault for hardening their positions in the leadership or media ended now as youre based on her follow through not turn it into their own people about the need for cooper months theres still lucian western political solution to this problem would never be achieved by being in posed but a pressure of the United States or anyone who wants in those i read in as a bunch of really see the members so there has to be a direct dialogue between them that seriously looks at compromise when it had that theyve approached peace you know that having to be exposed to what if a turkish news in my household and its not always clear whether it is. Or accurately thats leading the charge i wonder how does terry case involving a change that contrary to what it is it can get anything out. 20 years ago or is it something qualitatively different. Its its just sitting in. The underlying problem has changed and it was qualitatively different today it is a dramatic difference is the level of armaments does this but both sides in the position of turkey. You raised when i had worked on this is 2002001 they were approaching a solution. It was a complete supporter of bringing about a peaceful resolution. Its theres still under president here is changed dramatically and in the last few weeks to see a willingness to almost encourage for the repression and i dont think that is the way. Its the result if you believe it and i really resident france have both said based on evidence of this new jersey facilitated with adversity or news in to their version from syria little or ribbons russia has played a role there it is also problematic but i do think the potential to be to try to work a kind of bruce is there it was about 3 days ago statements by your meet him Prime Minister nicolas and you know the bowser be incurred but youre ready to debate serious mutual compromises it was a ruse and well see how messy you mentioned the russian role in ads selling weapons to both me and abidjan and ad want to stress that those at official stance that if it werent russia selling weapons perhaps it would have been the United States or china doing that so you know weapon sales within legal bounds but im more interested about the role of turkey here because at when you were working on this issue frank years ago. All the official mediators by russia france the United States they had some leverage some influence on the szell warring parties that anyone have a leverage with jack at this point of time and specifically the president erred on. Their potential for leverage is there i did not see that it exercised its did simply its clear we the United States is predator put pressure interviewed a number of areas where. American express and. The reserve releases. You know you we raise questions about our incentives to turn those surprisingly it is he said so are legal in the International Community teacher to russia so true. Just weapon or so if we were going to judge you. Probably liberals to be sure but weve seen willie do you get it you risk your situation in syria libya you know. Situation with her book as well but that is very problematic ambassador you have to take a very short break right now but will be back in just a few moments. A dark industry comes to life in los angeles every night. 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Welcome back to well the part that had as their carry capital for my poll charitable they always seem in screw up and thats a day just to pick up where we left off before the break we were talking about their role of tricare and i dont know if you with agree with this but i think president barack obama has been quite successful in playing have on our russian theyve animosity over the last couple of years a deal that is developing relationships that bold and using that as a bargaining chip and i wonder if that at least to some extent the conflict in that part of the part about hes acting on office there but john he almost didnt add to it as every chance you charge to have is actually a result of both russia and nato feeding his ambition and sort of triangulating that new challenge and also know that the impression i get is this is true but his duties are depleted brooder role is the number or regional areas into it and here its true Peace International resistor but a suit its not plating will. Be internet so im not sure he gave a signal to good reputation by the excellence. Of his reputation in the International Community after imprisoning like hundreds of thousands of he citizens and International Community being old mum. And i wouldnt say its been well loved there has and. I think the International Community. Heard. My sleep we will see that this is their. Will be discussions in the u. S. Congress about. And said theyve already started to back them giving contacts i have on capitol hill a think theres that inspiration being made what steps the congress to take action here and if there is it would seem to seems cruel e g m Prime Minister to do so is that people are responding to you mentioned some of the matters that the u. S. Congress and canada and others could take and i almost wish they were as far well as you present them to be i mean what can possibly all those actors do to impress mr aired on it is difficult in dealing with the authoritarian regimes to give them their backs it would be hagar you know better. Is it so widely i think thats a problem here may be the United States versus him working together on current will help exclusive to mrs ginger beer how units on the outside ruled it as it gets kind of a debate it would spread the global stability dinner to be that every 6 out. Sounding like a conspiracy theorist at the end they set an opinion here in russia that france and the United States would actually like to take care of the quote Airline Problem by using russian and old. News about that all those savvy ports about turkey supposedly or allegedly reportedly sending rebels or ass fighter yes its you know i separate. Could be interpreted as the United States sort of trying to. You know send russia secret that look you know heres a problem of terrorism in your backyard why dont you. Get involved and by doing that and in my both russia and turkey what do you think about this 8 year old would put new credence in spears see it all everything that it was seen in the good and im retired so im not in washington now but every signal that know you are seen it is one who are concerned about this Development Just newsstands of the issue of how do you best tackle that and i think you would find who are they are you know this is a route together then this center to it says survey this. Is were talking about her but. This is a significant confluence all of her who people who are of a lesson but its here that for really an answer because they have the Russian Federation the United States of america in the republic in france is their mediators this is no small feat these are 3 veto wielding permanent members of the spirit example its a lot of International Incident to prove this conflict because we recognize the dangers of birds that we would take steps that could exacerbate that you know put at risk can i ask you something about me count it in to get about the russian position because. You once said that russia console d this problem on its own and i think there is a full realisation of that in moscow moreover there is a fact he get almost exactly a ration at having to deal with it and always being under appreciated mistrusted at hughes of serving out the side it sater at as much as russia is unnerved by turkeys. Presence in the south caucasus dont you think that it can also be partially believe that this problem is no longer. Its exclusively because we dont you respect them in france and the United States made it part of the misquote but they had not really that their vital interest and not connected to solving this problem as much as russias interests are you know that is true and it that part of her engagement is consulates mediation i think had been in the earlier years too to ensure that relations between the United States and russia. And the parties were comfortable and looking at compromise knowing that both russia and the u. S. Were part of this so as so they kept her to help. Said leave the church has changed and it is a tentative dream. Also while youre on on all sides because of the but its intensity and i truly hope president everyone will look at this different its ceasefire to be a severance when on the basis of the discussions the foreign minister lavrov who be leading i meant that i think that will do if were literally to give him the rest of the United States and critics to head turkey back oakland is in hope has moved forward were with you again brister was basement room but also scary movie 2 are getting back to. You mentioned from mr let us talk about his amien and counterpart claflin thats monday and well i believe its both i think do result of the discussion that took place in geneva or. Thursday it is led to agreement that the os are president for minister leaders well let me ask you specifically by their being in position because its their meeting and. Insistence on preserving the status quo that ultimately led to the current flare up of why is this problem hasnt been told because i mean yes metaphorically stuck to their guns do you think it makes sense strategic sense for them to come to the negotiating table now and perhaps changed that position because that is one of the main i mean without supporting it i mean the hands that were there as ever genet has ever done if we have to recognize that at this point of time the disputed territory still being recognised as the territory for example genesis there are many in school do not lat the status for it to be changed is it rejigger earlier in rigs is this a no theyre already been a signal froome the or be in Prime Minister. Kirk in are be are prepared to look again is the head in the hands not recent past but in the past its serious. Its in there to the communications on both circuits to their people their everything they were good at reason they were has never been real and. Their position of answer but its hard to say well of course they are being used to luke urban should be comfortable being under as their bones are with the word. Imagine that if youre living in a still home and here today. Shows and missiles are raining down on the city its to be a meeting in the middle you know say weve seen the 1st group i mean you know theyre prepared to go back to that kind of dialogue in dont consider. Middle homily or i havent been involved in discussions. While hes been president but his father was prepared to look at concessions and i think if they does rather is revered as a resident and i think he could realize he did look get concessions that would really meant whizzer being in there with him because you bring about peace and he could use a strong leader it could have good relation to support that you know well he may be a strong leader but i think hes here to share a very tactical act its you know mr arafat and both of them now have a need to save face and its a difficult to get Accurate Information about the situation on the ground that i think we can see that there is evidence slowly out but surely is gaining ground is it really in the interest of or is average to stall right now i mean that sort of military strategy it with that suggests that they would push as much as they can. Again as my surgeries possible and then hopefully come to the negotiating table while now that position is strong i think myriad minutes in 2016 for better or worse the 4 day war showed that azerbaijan good military seriously regaining some territory but very small amount of territory to bury cost i think what we will see when a cease fire is a step was to move those settles that will happen as a regime will have gained the small amount which are very at a very significant human cost the death and destruction on all sides. My hope is hell realize to this can never be a solution to get all the things he has some new the level of destruction a little it will lose was a way it would be super nervous in the fact is it simply didnt out certain forces would become involved in this conflict president putin very clearly signaled that russia will it some point under its defense at a loser or maybe its the spec does not repair but but there is a lot of it its present year this leads it to happen in the series do you know also senator this is the fading consider they would need to be looking at is it really is or really is also a member president. Even the president shouldnt or soon you do not want to come too close to that line now our ambassador i appreciate your dedication to distil think that one of the add dangerous if. Extensive negotiations and trying to raise the conflict is that it goes on indefinitely and as you pointed out in one of your articles that frozen conflict is a conflict in waiting to flat i mean its not a soft article like that i think. One of the sides to this dispute has. Misusing it go shooting at a process that takes on advantage do you think it makes sense at this plant time to try to freeze this conflict once again for the sake of saving lives for the sake of waiting for a bad at opportune moment do you think. This should be solved right now or that there is still at evaluating the spawning dissolution and i think the nature of conflict there will be postponed a bit and theres still sightings weeks of its almost impossible to bring parties to be patient able immediately. To give fighting to sit down and have a reasonable discussion students about the counterman is that what he does you can start setting up some framework for women how youll do that but to get the result you seek that wont be immediate so i think what will be immediate and i hope will see this as surely is the internet as a response to the humanitarian this conflict is just in the last week and i think that me and whole. Greater involvement by the United Nations is specialized agencies to deal with both the displaced people from the fighting are. Going to have contact and have been separate so i think we may see greater involvement there in straighter attention even if it were from the good offices framework of the secretary general to hang late International Concern about this situation and International Support to result well ask have to leave it there i really appreciate your time with us today and i apologize the time here is