Doubt over the proceedings legally their doubts dont have any merit whatsoever however this is not whats in play simply said the Supreme Court has been glitter sized maybe forever and packing the court is a real possibility. Ross talking the Supreme Court im joined by my guess wed enables he is a president ial historian and a former white house advisor to 2 american president s his latest book is inside Trumps White House the real story of his presidency and in washington we cross to robert but joe is an attorney as well as executive director of the Rainbow Push Coalition arent the only hospitals in effect that means you can jump in anytime you want and i always appreciate it ok robert lets go to you in washington. What do you what is your assessment so far of the proceedings that it will see most likely to. Become an associate justice on the Supreme Court i was very troubled to be honest with you the number of times the democrats said shameful shameless i mean what is shameful about the Legal Process that were seeing right now i understand fully well but theres a lot of issues that divide people here but the proceedings themselves are pretty straightforward and its not the 1st time its happened but the media doesnt give you that impression so what are your thoughts are on these proceedings. Proceeding. Then 262016 remember ministration. Lindsey graham and every sort of sort. Of. Supreme. Mess. But remember some sort of happens and. Bring the. Numbers are. Going to be so many. Times are better than the benefit that i request of never. Been that there was an answer and thats why republicans have the image and they i mean it dont care but they voted for these senators and theyre sent to senator isakson their job. As you said in the constitution to. To advise. And eventually vote here. I agree with robert here i but i dont really care what Lindsey Graham says i but who cares mcconnell i dont care what they say about this i care what it says in the constitution i care what is legal and what is not legal here and so when a politician says its neither here nor there in the situation go ahead. Yeah. Its legal and its constitutional theres a big difference between this year and 2016 that demick. Press couldnt get the votes in the senate to get their nominee its. That simple they have the opportunity and they have the presidency but you have to have the senate to this time the republicans have the presidency and the senate and as you may know 29 times theres been a vacancy during an Election Year the business of the government test it could go on to continue. Ok lets talk about the substance here. Obviously to mean that the entire proceedings of forest been turned into a Democratic Campaign event here because i think it was durbin i mean he spoke the entire time to the nominee and he didnt even ask her one question but he certainly went through all of the hot wire issues of this campaign i mean it is that dignifying the entire process and even ask her a question absolutely. But this is a question of. This one question you have to have the best. Interest of the passes and embedded i suppose that were never going to have a situation where. Theres an asset have been some of. Their. Jobs are going to have a go but what pesca sad to me. And im a kind of these things have less to. Bring them good. Dressing. Room. Youre. Welcome as. Well get there but i mean ok i agree i mean wear green on one point you know there is that level of politicking but the the the role of the senate in this whole process is advise and consent ok its it used to be when you and i were younger men lets put it that way you were basically the senates job was to determine if the nominee was capable they were if they had a good judicial mind but thats not what we saw on display during these hearings here it is much more trying to pin someone down on a political issue and we all learned since bork its not going to happen anymore go ahead. Yeah well what what the big elephant in the room here that were not discussing is for many years now the democrats have been using the courts to try to change not just american law but American Culture they couldnt when at the ballot box for example referendums in the most liberal states in the country like california they would lose to the voters and so it was important for them to get judges who would override the will of the voters and impose laws which is what happened and i work for a president George Herbert walker bush back in that day the republicans would appoint a conservative and then to be nice theyd appoint a liberal because the democrats couldnt get their own on the Supreme Court so david souter was put on the Supreme Court but you dont have that today donald trump was elected because he said ill put conservatives on the Supreme Court was one of the main reasons people voted for him many fold an upset in the election so hes kept his promise hes kept his word and hes got the votes so hes doing it so when you say conservative judges that its i think we may should make it clear were looking at original lists ok now not not using the constitution to get the laws you want but to in to interpret be. Laws as that was defined by the constitution so i think we have always have to make it clear you know. Conservatives tend to be originalists obviously robert and would speak to their i mean and for me i throw a plague on both parties if you cant get what you want to the legislative process both parties throw it to the courts is that a good idea and it doesnt make the court dysfunctional and become more dysfunctional theres going to talk about hacking in the 2nd half program so i mean it seems to me as an abdication of responsibility from the congress that they cant get it done they just go ahead every computer every. I think i better read something so. Much better than sure. About. American people in every. You know. Just its were changing our lives and. It was better to be. Married to him to be American People. And so i was trying to get was trying to do. Understand. The mention that together we had to start a better person conversations maddux with simply a set of samples every so mad and that seems that markets are theres a bad american majority into some to become actually better and that becomes a campaign to be stranger than political elections. That would be quickly become too tired because and thats what would become and. Thats a terrible terrible place to be and but having said robert you know i im still very very angry how the democrats treated kavanah i thought that was unconscionable behavior on National Television destroying a mans reputation without a shred of evidence in front of his family and this is what the courts have gotten down to is some kind of you know. Drudge for thats being played out here joe i mean how does that influence the perception of the court because if you only enough and youre angry enough and you start islands that was the case some people being pushed around here i mean i thought the Supreme Court was the place where that exactly that kind of stuff exactly doesnt happen. Yeah i think that in the case of cavanagh backfired on the democrats they realize that thats why their tactics its changed this time they didnt know what they may call the parents she just sits there like mona lisa. I dont think silence is ever spoken so loudly as that as through her she doesnt seem to react if the questions are friendly are if the questions are hostile she just expresses on her face intelligence and irony and i think shes the perfect appointment for this ball but i think they did a good job in taking her brilliant cant make robert it in looking at some of the questions that were asked by the Democratic Senators senators you would get the sense that the entire Supreme Court is about a womans right to choose the having abortion i mean and as far as i understand theres nothing on the courts docket right now that even has anything to do with abortion rights whatsoever what line is that isnt just the red button issue that the Democrats Use to whip up the base and weapon interest in this whole process. I think thats. Sort of damage to the pats bad. Thing many good. Mental health insurance. George and i had a better. Time so. The intention of going to have some. Republican majority wanted to have those rights so it was meant as a. Request and. Question. And i think thats the. Best you said it was. And theres time and then bitch of the bench and American People in chairs that list and trying to determine. The temperament of this justice every step of terms of justice so you have to ask and searching questions and. You mentioned the rest of the social. So. You know robert i am so glad you brought up the commerce issue because it seems to me. As the republicans and the democrats you know they fight these cultural wars so many of these judges you know go under the wire you know under the radar and so much of what they actually do has to do with commerce and with the economy but again the way the Media Projects the court its about gay rights its about abortion rights but theres a whole lot more to it ok and i think that you know we like with calvin i have no idea what he thinks about those things because all they talked about was his yearbook ok and well see what they do with amy ok i mean this energy from hawaii had a very bizarre question of the judge im not to repeat it here because i thought it was so disgusting but you know there are they disagree more does a whole lot of things but the way its betrayed in the media you wouldnt think so what do you think. Well as to abortion and as you know the whole question is moot. Beyond the initial polls favoring womans right to choose when you have these visual moments where a baby is delivered and set out on a table and then a governor from a state so that the baby can be executed or kill thats an abortion for the babies already exit at the womb youve reached an area where the polls would not necessarily sustain a right to choose so that issue but you really at a point we dont talk about chi happens its not a good point and i want you you have a good answer but i have to get a hard break were going to go to a break right now in your 1st question on the Supreme Court say. Actually its very Interesting Times closer to home to me because introverts theres no way its right this social experiment if we dont. Know if. Their numbers tonight as you Condition One is that people become more afflicted and save a kind of relief. A dark industry comes to life in los angeles every night. Dozens of women sells the bodies on the streets many of them underage. Los Angeles Police reveal a taste of their daily challenge no if youre going to exploit a child here in los angeles they were going to come out you would see officers going undercover as 6 workers enter customers to fight the 6 trades. Welcome to maximize their financial survival guide. Political our 2 year president. Yanks this is what happens to pensions in britain. Watched as a report. Welcome back to crossfire for all things are considered im Peter Lavelle remind you were talking about the Supreme Court. Lets go back to dont dont wait before i went my heart break you were going to bring up a good point and im waiting for it now go ahead. Well the the elephant in the room the thing were not discussing is the fact that this is all about big corporations of america that are badly and the big corporations want regulations they depend on regulations thats what freezes out the mom and pop shops and the Big Companies cant afford regulations so theyll get behind any special Interest Group on the left or the right it doesnt matter theyll fund them as long as theyve got more regulations to freeze you and i from starting our own business if we wanted to start a business wed have to pay a lawyer thousands of dollars just to read the regulations let alone an act that youll notice even with the shutdown target didnt shutdown cosco didnt shut down the Big Companies walmart they continued it was the mom and pop shops the restaurants that are wiped out and thats why the big National Media supports the democrats they hate donald trump these the deregulator hes the man that came in and busted all the regulations and allowed Small Businesses to thrive its why billionaires supported hillary 21 and billionaires right now you can google this with a look at up support biden short seem to want because the big corporations want Big Government regulations you know but you but it does same time let me go back to robert here i mean even the conservative vote with anomaly what people call conservative judge is they tend to have a very strong. Business preference ok and its something that is not pointed out in the open and im really glad that we were talking about it here because i think it gives the gives it cover again fighting these culture wars there but it gets her temperature up but you know what about the condition of the economy and the Supreme Court actually plays a very Important Role that and i and before we go on to packing identity think that a lot of liberals conservatives can find common cause if we focus on this part of the courts work and not always on all these cultural war its ok ok i already mentioned the word packing i know a lot of democrats that maybe they wont say it out loud but they do like the idea that a court if barrett gets to the spot what do you think robert. I think of the nonsense argument i think as well one of things that pops up you know we dont were going to eliminate the Electoral College were going to end the filibuster or donald trump animals before and both anyone who eliminate the filibuster were going to have the court the ori letting your concepts and have no bearing on reality because in order to do any of those things you have to have the sort of political maturity that would. Make those things look good tort that if you get 70 votes you might extinction if you get a majority house of representatives if you get the white house if you think legislature is behind you in order to do Something Like the courts or in the filibuster or get rid of the Electoral College we wouldnt need to do those things because you have this little political majority that will be able to fix the problems you know thats not in the case of packing the court and doesnt that doesnt apply i mean Electoral College thats separate but. No i mean that its a pretty the constitution does not determine the number of justice is this matter but weve had more than 9 at one point in time in history ok though the consensus for a very long time it was 150 years now its been 9 now we know that Franklin Delano roosevelt in 137 tried to do it and his own party ball it him but biden becomes president there is nothing in the constitute. Zhen would bar him from appointing more just than he can do its ok its not even a blow job but here yeah yeah thats the scary thing. I agree with robert about the Electoral College anything that would require changing the constitution but this is like a loophole and its a loophole that out of respect the 2 parties have not used but its pretty clear that things are getting tough the battles getting tough and this is an opportunity for the democrats to go for broke and take take over the whole country for another lifetime it would be it would not be socialism in the european sense it would be an american corporate socialism with some some more favored than others but whats new but its a real possibility that is robert it is a real possibility and one of the things i find interesting is that the fact that joe biden wont say and much about it because he knows it will just have by coalition going into the election and you know its politically smart that way ok i totally disagree with everything about him and his entire career in politics but hes smart by keeping his coalition together however theres a lot of promises or implicit promises disease made you know you know weve got rid of all the gathering up with Bernie Sanders and the progressives are saying well what about up ok and i do think the is the to the buyer if hes in the white house in january its going to be a real temptation to do to appease the part of his base dont you think from an ingenue understanding of the question of retail politics so what do you do on the question of who gets what when but on this idea of core packing i just think its an unrelenting realistic solution because as we saw with ending the in the. A need for 60 votes for judges ending the filibuster when it comes to to bring Court Justices what weve seen is just a continue race to the bottom of the senate rules that were previously in place where they are for a reason the sensible to be the cooling saucer. Being the most deliberative body in the world so if you start adding justice that the republican president Justice System and the democratic president will have justices and thats you know the court will just like the congress with nothing still getting done what we really have to do is start thinking about what or be brought across the board political and social solutions that can bring the country together instead of fighting about things to draw us apart weve been governing in this 5049 version of america for a few decades now and it is not advantageous to any of us we keep bouncing the b