Lost the election. Even republican senator. Now isnt there an indian style of behavior asking, you know, absent of policy . Yeah, exactly. And so joe biden has announced he will convene a summit for democracy, so he wants to rally americans and us round table again to really make them more coherent to improve the relationship, particularly the c. E. O. Of p. And ls suno and the relations resume made to relations was in the e. U. Back if straight he had a very hostile, almost relationship to international fox. So biden will have a totally different policy if he appreciates the value of the island. And in the whole, he seems to realize that the United States is a lot stronger to get its allies rather than to go it alone. And under and the trump, we saw a more unilateral america going it alone policy. And i think that will change fundamentally in one of your recent analysis of Foreign Policy. You single out its 3 primary strands disengaging the us from local politics, does deigning allies, you just retreated. That point right now. And the friend didnt autocratic leader, hes now naturally as a russian, as perhaps in your view as a shill for one sex arc radical leader. I want to ask you specifically, what does it mean defragging autocratic leaders . Well, we have a very disconcerting color system under trumps. That for example, trump became very close to Saudi Arabian crown prince. And you know that the crown prince was at least implicated in the murder, also generalists. And by everybody. Then trump did not say a word about it instead of that he continued having very good relations, also personal relations with members of this administration. Saying also it did not criticize what was going on in europe regarding hungry and poland and the presently, or to credit policies of these 2 countries. Cus, you know, its condemned. It is trying to do something about it. But trump has kept quiet though, saying that he would see that and that i read that proposal. R. C. Said to be equating public statements rhetoric to policy and has studied them Foreign Policy in the United States. And our start as, im sure you teach your students that words are not the same as actions. Absolutely. Bob like statements dont make up a policy, in fact, and those that you will be diametrically opposed to one another. So again, lets not look at public statements. I read there is a major difference in style in persona and character, but those are personal things and asking you about the substantive change in the course of the United States. And again, in policy terms, because at least in the liberal circles, they dont love using this befriending. Autocratic leader is cliche, but what does it mean in adelaide . People terms big, all of that policy demeans, of that policy and the possible outcomes of that policy in that is give up on, you know, for example, as i mentioned, the summit off democracy, of course, people where the wind is blowing in the United States. And he built her in order to sell your bill supports the e. U. Regarding the policy towards poland in hungary, while trump has indirectly, but be keeping quiet by expressing syntheses as expressed support for these people. And that of course involved. And you dont, you wont see that still in bold meant and of having set of course also realize the strategic relationship, the United States has to sortie arabia. It will not true saudi arabia into an enemy and no one would expect that. And the other hand, you know, not let the crown prince get away with the sort of character something about these women was present that it was in office together with president obama. They tell him that allowed saudi arabia to launch one of the most murderous, bloodiest wars there is, has still continuing right now. And i understand that, that there is a certain that resonance about the absolute horrific nature of that one killing. But under biden and obama, hundreds of thousands of such killings have been taking place. Can you really put down this . So your ministry of their coverage of the wall of a human conducted for saudi arabia and of those who start to do it while obama was in power. And its certainly this one. Its a black, the Obama Administration, the only one. I dont know, not saying that thats one of them, and i find that they didnt do anything about it. But biden was, of course, vice president. He did have an influence obama could if i say in the end he did possums a guy who took the decisions that clearly was president different now. And of course also in the last few years. So you merican statements have to look good for whats going on in that part of the world. How to start troy has become how terrible it is. The human cost has been so i would expect to reverse that course and not too soon for saudi arabia or yes said so, and of course us mil got to see their quality issues and they say things during combat. Its therefore up when these statements, but i would expect to abide introduced so it clearly is more in favor of human rights. For example, in general. Then for example, President Trump would never even use a term of human rights. Well, you didnt hear my next question, and i think its partially ties with that. My questions about your choice of vocabulary that is befriending the autocratic leader, is because its true that donald trump had a more pragmatic, last moralistic approach to Foreign Policy. And i think its high time where the will to debate how we define morality in international relations. What is good and what is bad . What are the limits . The legitimate uses of military power, so that we dont see the carnage, like we saw in yemen in libya, in iraq, all of which were born out of good moralistic intentions. Repeat again. And my question to you is dont you think that by using these liberal catchphrases befriending, which is essentially an attack by association, youre out in a way, col flashing the need for the world to have that conversation. And if you, if you look around the world is really crying out for it because all the major problems we have right now, refugees, internally displaced pandemics immigration, the riser for a populist. They can all be tied to the war. Its a band louis. I know, and i think, i think you can agree that human rights are something to do was killing people and killing people is always a bad idea. And that applies to all countries be. Its the United States or russia, or china or other great. You know, geyer, getting involved or stopping was pushing was annexing. Countries that are trying to develop incursions in countries is a bad thing. And biden is a case here, the 1st time in years, in proportion rather an example of the public because i feel the only sense you russians are, as im always there early, or a lot have now to signal i was lost there. You cannot compare Something Like that. So you look, lets say an operation in libya and which again is the same manner of analysis. You cant compare, compare the killing of croissants. You have the bloody war in vietnam, and that the Obama Administration has oversaw. So the question is, who is really moral and these in a row . No, i mean, saudi arabia has not just gilchrist showed you that of course, very active in yemen and in other conflicts around the world. You now do a final round of the ministries and yeah, we might get the money horse and United States needs to do something about that. And biden has that he would do so whether belief in whether he will follow up. We dont know costs you will not be a perfect president. He will not fulfill all of our human rights expectations. And they are not, of course, strategic considerations. Also, oil considerations that any president and it pretty should as to take into regatta. However, the President Trump was a very ruthless politician who only looked at strategic. Its just, he did not consider human rights at all. And i think this will change. Definitely, that doesnt mean that the United States now will pursue a policy that is exclusively oriented along human rights. Like this might be nice, this might be a perfect scenario, is unlikely to have. Professor lars eller is for all his recklessness. Donald trump has launched a single war sucks. Sometimes i mean, when you can be a cunt pierre, you know how many human lives are lost out of concern for human rights. Sometimes you may think that perhaps its safer for the world to the american since you put that aside. But those are the voters. Im not defending in. Im actually, im not buying into this american habit of looking at their parents as i think this is, theres a strong strand in the russian Foreign Policy of actually looking at the results, not what they call you, but what they do at the end of the day and whether it is because if you come to my country and kill my child out of good intentions, i dont care what your intentions were. I can i care about my son being lost, or you can have a brief look at on the trumps policies. And we havent launched this war, thats the end of it isnt true. I dont disapprove said, of course he hasnt, but still the world is a no mess. You know, we have relations with russia and become better. You have relations with china, very tense, very constituents, u. S. Relations with iran, very conceptual, even last week, a few days ago the dollar tranter pound really consider you have 2 transatlantic alliance, which go to interest in a mess that all happened under donald trump. This, these are not good developments. I drunk to that that he did not launch a major war. Thats another lie. Theres been because there is a huge difference between the water ports which he was waging and the real war the claims lives. Anyway, professor lars, we have to take a very short break right now we will go back to the spirited conversation after a few moments that you join me every thursday on the alex salmond show and ill be speaking to guest of the world of politics or business im show business, ill see you there. I was always on the ball, but the statue was a big city. Bright like you jump, but you know, many dangers of the risk that the video is going to blow the lid to. Its also a city where up 2300000 crimes are committed every other building the last one, but it will be the new mosque. Its filled to the reserve least one Police Officer for every 200. 00 residents in russias capital cost on the list. I didnt think it will make me think i will not go to a toy single because it was a big deal with him to most welcome back to worlds apart with plows laras professor at the university of North Carolina at chapel hill professor, just before the break we were discussing the aremu, the commitment of the United States to human rights and democracy, and you, joe biden, spread it out when that mentioned that he was one of the very few people within the Obama Administration who was against the whole endeavor. And he actually, you know, we repurpose trumps all the rhetoric for and in the endless wars in bidens terms. Its there for our wars which have cost the United States untold blood and treasure you forgot to mention though, that many of those wars were either launched directly or indirectly through by the night if they did. But anyway, do you think the Biden Administration will be ready for some kind of like, why and alice is of how this American Leadership is supposed to be if they reinstituted on to their walls, because as im sure you wouldnt remember me there, well in 2021 is very different from the world, even in 2016. You know, most american administrations spent that come into office. They consider all their Foreign Policy relations or as a world. d that is usually an exercise at ministration dust, and im sure joe biden ministration bill do that as well. What you will see, and that is perhaps the major difference of the trumpet. Ministration is a more predictable and more reliable, Foreign Policy, elyse and froze. Know what to expect from the white house policy. It wont change every 2 days. So Something Like that bill actually, i think also be predicted by those countries who comes and sells a soso of america, including perhaps russia and china and saudi arabia who will be in the middle. It will not be regarded as a foe. It will not be regarded as a close friend, for example. So read new book. We can expect a new approach. And i think that maybe a new approach should try it sour relations in a girls away from that heated every day media circus, a tree soul, and a President Trump. In the end, as i said before, opt for a president by bill not to be a perfect president , no president can be evil, have strategic considerations to consider from his point. A few. From an American Point of view, we juma, priest, china, russia, all other countries to some extent. But i think they will also, he will also make an attempt and that is probably what he has learned in over 50 years and policy. If that isnt a good idea to find Common Ground was countries you may, no, it has a best relationship, was talking about russia, the renewal of the human stocks. Treaty, i think would be a great stock for having Something Like a reset with russia, interest, china, theyll sell other considerations like cooperation on climate change, for example, cooperation, maybe on afghanistan on the middle east. So that the areas you can find countries who are not necessarily friendly was each other, can cooperate for a later candidate. Not all circumstances. You can find that unless you are every bit as german idlewild and meet your receipt from the statements of the, by the n. S. A. Mission and that, you know, a lot of the abstract language about human rights and democracy. And there are lots and lots of practical issues in the walls that i want all the names and lot of warmings migrates. And robert mind what charity or that dumps and all about the american use of democracy. But the cooperation around those issues get more active by one sides ideologic wash, actuary. Do you think the Biden Administration or am up for that sound . Engage those countries. Glens all respect, especially when it, sooner than one base that over the last 20 years about russia, about exams, i dont know how they can do that. Serious. I mean, that goes both ways. No politicians tend to say a lot about each other. And when that, then youre going to marry that enemy, act it out, right . That are let some if they dont talk in a similar way. And of course, you know, byron is well known for having countless set to applaud him. If to do that, he looked into his soul and their duty to his eyes and didnt find a soul. That is, im sure, a room, i can smell it, going its own repeating it drier. Let me just remind our viewers that elsa came was great, you 1000 allowed that counts as against running for president. He began speaking about interference in a countrys electoral nady. Each year happened to get very little history and very much trouble is. I mean, you cant cross talk about that into funes in each of those countries. And each of us domestic policy, russian descent from nation come paints 2016 to result in 20 a kind of way and have been concerned. But i dont want to go into that. What i want to say is replications actually meet privately in a room or at a summit, then election campaigns off to rooms full of the media rigid. They also have to take into consideration for that message or, you know, it says on both sides. They usually kind of say not the remarks, all unpleasant red mosque, they usually go quickly out of the window. And i would be very surprised if clinton and joe biden didnt have a good conversation. The 3 of that say im pleasant, right, to rape. And if they wouldnt try to find Common Ground, like for example, extending the new start treaty. And that could be the basis of perhaps, you know, a reset. But for reset, as the saying goes, it needs 2 to tango, all the americans are left to give something. But the russians are going to have to give something at a concessions. And you know, that would be nice if Something Like that happened a professional, or as i have no doubt in my mind that the russians have long been writing for to have it all out. But i have grave doubts that the Biden Administration is evil of that, especially if you are blocking action before and how can you post based on it of democracies on washington to reach your commitment to america is that al democracy and human rights are one camp. And whole region and dictator app and if you were a journalist and deal bit here. On the other hand, i mean all that all politicians, especially on their liberal living at rates, but not 0. Might well insolvent database of their boat under grievous that it is quite possible to try to attempt to have a reset with dictators and the world autocrats and the world be the cold boot to know if he should bring all of it to press even with the most korean leader, without accepting all of their policies, all the methods that is excellent to the skillfulness of to promise and politics that you try to fit to really do create the areas you can agree on and can decide the areas you define. And i think joe biden is probably intending to do that just for the sake of american Foreign Policy, clearly is an american president , but also for the sake of having the most the greatest stability in the world. Well, here he really intends to do that and that, you know, the democrats are nasty, like you resample. And as, as a candidate or as the president will change the still not national conversation. I think he has to keep that the whole in mind when dealing with other country leaders, because i think if he were a national problems, but now going to be treated as morally inferior. Is that our great but you look at america, the best of politics, right . Now i think the tone has already changed when you see how biden really acts to