To discuss this and more im joined by my guest george samueli in budapest he is an author and a huge who were at the gavel and here in moscow we crossed him maxine he is an expert at the Russian InternationalAffairs Council originally crossed out rules in effect that means you can jump in the time you want and i was appreciate it ok lets go to georgia in budapest. And looking at the Election Results or how would the Election Results are being presented to the to the public and the world here i cant help but get the feeling that if this had happened in any other country in the world the United States would have stepped in or made a lot of noise about democratic norms and demanding a recount and all of this kind of thing here but they dont because its happening to themselves you know its just an interesting critique about how democracy is spoken about and practiced in the United States and how it. Spoken about and practiced internationally go ahead george yeah absolutely right because everything that has come to life since the election all the instances of ballot stuffing of the people voting. Laws be changed arbitrarily and unconstitutionally in order to make essential a 1000000 voting come a day place without any of the checks that were supposed to be in place if any of this have happened in russia say in the state department will you know another entity remain at the top of it was it would already be imposing sanctions on russia well the phony election so thats exactly right. And we dont even have to talk about. What would happen in all the countries i mean if they had been a donald trump who had come out with the glad the when the having pocket 170. 00 Electoral College and goal is to have the had come out what would have been the media response the media would have been grieving this is a fraud go jump has cheated theres no mandate every single accusation of. Illegality every single accusation of electoral fraud must be investigated thoroughly must go to the courts you must go to the state legislatures and also them not to certify the election as we know that would have been the response of the u. S. Media but it has a map and because the result such as it is is something that is desired by much of the media as though their line is not election all of the reading about it stops and raining accept the results and then move over into the coming by in error and when even if you got one thing george they would have resurrected the russia gave hope just as an extra you know insurance policy and. You know you know max one of the interesting things its could come about here can sit and depending on what donald trump intends to do in january of next year and the reason i ask you because during. The fall of the of the czarist empire of the imperial government there was a jewel power that battled out during that what would become part of the Russian Revolution here this is something something akin to it i mean joe biden may be the legal president of the United States but in the eyes of tens of millions. Up to 73000000 he will not be and he and trump will still have a form of legitimacy that. Biden is going to be hard to. To out shine as it were because as george pointed out here and i am not making any accusations here im going by what i hear in the meat but theres a lot of irregularities and im being very polite about it irregularities here so i mean what does this portend for american. Americas political future when youre going to have a legal president and youre going to have a lot of other people saying hes not my president the other guy is go ahead minutes right well 1st of all any president including that of the United States usually operates in 3 dimensions and its 3 donates as a politician as a bureaucrat and is it a matter of cheese so for biden forces to kind of smooth over the things that you just mentioned it is important to show that hes a more kind of capable bureaucrat you know he will have to ensure that there is a faster transition there that hes people you know feel it important decisions you know. Cabinets of the government. And the media im pretty sure will pick up on that merits to portray him as a more authentic you know. The full governor is a dozen more capable person to govern the United States and that way some other out there americans who will defer trunks will be and its a challenge now and the politician by the worst has to care about his farm his reelection is for his victory in the next election cycle were still have to take very positions that are supposed to strengthen dynamic presence inside United States you know Immigration Reform that will house you know about 11000000 Illegal Immigrants or a bit more than 20 potentially even that within our investors and this is where several tash will Democrats Use receiver that lasts for the next election including congressional action and as the commander in chief theyll be you know all this focus is on external threats that i think well talk about later so were sitting you know this will be kind of a 3 domains that hes administration will pursue and the media will very much focus on 2 you know you can mention the fatter us out shiny and its more strong as a much bigger charisma to 2 you know outright mightnt but then it will be this resource that i think that the media the Mainstream Media and other accuracy in the insight you had states will try to boost bidens presidency and as youre accurately mentioned and i think thats pretty much general in the u. S. Election its fair in the us political system that is very much dependent on election cycles and as they say the next election cycle starts the day the next day after the inauguration. But in the end will doubly so george because whats going to happen here my prediction is at least number one night trump is going to stay in the in the in the limelight obviously hes a showman 1st and foremost and he likes to create he likes to tease the public and he likes to create interests of patient and what he will end up doing is it went went. Ever of the joe biden ministration proposes or talks about theres going to be a juxtaposition and the trump is issue is this and he will have all of his. His orbit of people around him amplifying that all the time so it is going to be a binary whatever. The bike ministration proposes theres going to be an equal effect with the people that support donald trump because and again im not making any claims here but a lot of people believe that this election was stolen from them and then in until that is result which i doubt it will be theres this is going to hang over american politics for them for the next 4 years and actually freeze american politics for the next 4 years oh and by the way george the media will love it because they make a lot of money off it yes thats right and. Probably as things stand on january 20th you know rule day donald trump will not attend bidens inhere ation he will hold d a rally of his own during which you will almost certainly announce his candidacy for 2024 you brought he did that. During the rally on saturday in georgia i mean more or less said that that if he isnt in the office on january the 21st he will be the candidate in 2024 so thats the question he will then declare his candidacy if and that means everything will be about. Contending with with the policies of the biden in this race so this wont be like the normal electoral cycle or who will be the republican nominee but in 2020 people this will be dont trump is making his comeback and he is the leader of the opposition and so whatever you say whatever biden intends to do there will be. Tweeting holding rallies is giving interviews. Several times a day on fox news and this will be a kind of the focus of the opposition so the by dimmest ration is already hobbled from the beginning theres no goodwill toward him theres no honeymoon period he is already scrambling. Against the the opponent that will be his head is the looming ever larger and hes intent on destroying him you know maxon in how do you think the outside world is going to look at this is it again you know. Joe biden may be the legal president under the constitution but you know you it will be even noticed that theres the whos driving the news cycle whos driving what are the different discussions about policy it will be a candidate that would like it george said on Inauguration Day if you action starts and candidate trump is going to be determining a great deal of what that discourse is how will the outside world look at as well they just be in awe or they be terrified or just be mystified go ahead right well i think well throughout Human History doesnt work up until perhaps when it 1st sentry whos army wins the 21st century superman who sort of wins so i think one of the things to counter trap activity is eyes far as i can imagine in the United States is the big media act is trying to strip him of that Information Space what is sure of the Information Space you know twitter perhaps banning his accounts and you know major channels including fox news you know hes been very supportive of trump throughout most of his presidency but on some instances theyve been also critical or not providing the platform for the president so you might be well at least to me to try to marginalize him inside the United States to create the picture for the rest of the world that hes not the what you know meeting maybe upshots so if that happens since were just the critical battle will be up to. Yes to control the garage yes to promote the budget and all the states as far as the perceptions are concerned i think of the world will be will be divided because we now see that so you know maybe American Allies in western europe nato allies cheerleader were were fighting and really were you know welcome to him and were among the 1st to congratulate him on what the shot was tricks and were as other American Allies indignantly supercheap killer were less so you know i can see it was yeah stick on the trunk was at 1st deal with it at least you know their interests were served in the relationship of the United States was a mixed bag in asia i would say you know some prefer to continue working with trunk others continued you know thought that you know straps a new interim alice she on her bike would be a better word for them so i think it will mean less will still be a less certainty for the rest of the world. As far as what the thats going on in the next what i mean to end on in this part of the program you have it i think it will be it will be very very interesting is that you know if theres the potential of another german presidency why would countries around the world want to get an agreement with joe biden again remains to be on things are going to look at a short break and after that and he were discussion and some real news state. The world is. Shaped by. The day or thinks. We dare to ask. Them out across up were all things are considered im Peter Lavelle true mind you discussing some real news. Ok lets go back to george in budapest wont we i think that you know the 2 of 3 of us here on this program can easily for seeing a lot of gridlock in the next 4 years and we focus quite a bit also are on domestic politics and just the sale in International Politics whats going to be very interesting here george for me is that if we have these laser thin majority for the g. O. P. For the democrats in the house of representatives and depending on what happens in georgia the Senate Remains in the hands of the g. O. P. So ergo theres only one thing with with some kind of effectiveness that by doing ministration can pursue is Foreign Policy ok and i think that because of because theyll be this sense of gridlock in that sense the reality of gridlock in washington the in the new administration have to disappear that come to pass in january theyre going to say this is the only thing we have got and now theyre you know theyre putting the band back together from the obama years and even from the george w. Bush years and the world is their oyster right now im not very optimistic about that because they didnt want to show themselves to be effective meaningful and that means maybe using a lot more force like we saw under obama what do you think george i agree with here that that will be the priority. Biden inspiration because as you say they wont really have much margin to maneuver when it comes to the mess that they didnt get a mandate that they were expecting what the polls were predicting so this is they have bashed it if you look at their pronouncement the pronounce of the blame gana by jakes all that its all about how lets have act was Foreign Policy you know well lets you know russia has bought lets show moved in that heat and the price the pay into play here and. Lets show china that were ready to compete with them. In every country in the well lets show. The mischievous regimes like assad was boss and that was the only intent to overthrow them so they dont really have any clear idea what it is theyre trying to achieve other than they want to have this american Foreign Policy and activist american Foreign Policy usually means interference in other countries. Both by a saw integrating all these phony Civil Society programs by not so its all about sanctions and ultimately military intervention so no doubt that will be dressed up as right you know were competing with china because if we dont do it china will make all plays so i think thats going to be the mentality and i think its going to be and thats the. Couple of years you know max you know when it was during the. Trump administration where russia gate was full blown man now we it looks like we may have an administration will have members there were some of the biggest proponents of this hoax here and these type of people are arrogant theyre not particularly smart well connected and they have great credentials at least when as the ruling class b. I dont see them eating their words theyre never going to admit theyve been wrong and so once a rush again are always a rush again or and now they will how power that doesnt portend well for the future my friend go ahead well i think there are 3 elements here 1st of all your Response Rate up a bit for next time ok check to trinity its like the trinity right tackle it well 1st of all 1 throughout the trump ministration yours the barrister criticize trump for 1st of all these team is incompetent. Second hes in a rush to litter and thirdly. Hes undermining American Leadership so basically the gathered team who they want to portray him as more competent less rusher friendly and you know that will interest or American Leadership which when you look at into into the composition of the team that you see that a lot of these people have known each other for many many many years and pretty much going from same circles i dont want to call it a lot but theres definitely a good share of the group think and this is one of the risks of the able to actual Decision Making on top of Foreign Policy decisions that i think is as it were for many people inside the United States as well and even if youre somewhere just Democratic Party or states perhaps more than a professional that person it would be to the best of america if youre secondly their main 88. 00 is the worst that through the trumpet ministration that there is a great need to fight what they call populists at home inside the United States in the western society and authoritarian leaders brought me since in being and not hers so when they bring a lot of this you know human rights agenda he sure and theres a worse. As to. Russia we tried it was and other countries that america has a strategic disagreements with thats thats of course a big worry thats early elsewhere say you mentioned the russia game it wants russia get roles russia get her i grew with you its just perhaps i think that they will focus more on russia is in trouble after each United States and you know kind of approach more pressure on russia outside you know way kind of bringing russia to where it should be as a as a big you know concern to risk a threat United States and that of course does not hold a very optimistic on all of the 3 accounts here but i agree with everything youre going to say you know georgia gives it that it doesnt it does really worry me is that. You know like i said once a russian gator always a russia gator and theyre going to end it now they have the levers of power to him and i think you know when we look at you know trump was soft on russia maybe the evidence doesnt show that whatsoever what worries me is even more i mean it gets down to at the at the end of the day you know what kind of conflict do you want to have you want to call conflict or a hot one because its going to be a conflict no matter what. Yes thats right they talking because they want to sound very soothing because the base of this Foreign Policy that were talking about the something of very unpopular among the american public. They basically kept all lists hidden and why i say sue things i will return to the new start treaty maybe well return to the j. C. P. O. Way will return to the paris plane of the 4 who rejoined the w. H. O. So its all sounds very soothing. But in reality when they talk about returning to the new. Renewing the new start treaty that goes together with all sorts of threats and assertions that theyre going