This is not about they would against all was this is really about the United Nation speakers, which are clearly demonstrating that as off just last week or so, only 3 percent of the food commodities exported from ukraine under this initiative have gone to low income countries. So i dont know if the general disturbing idiotic just been callous and being lazy at best to have perhaps. Now, how do you characterize the ukraines farm land and how the Food Industry works in ukraine . Because the, your recent report seems to suggest over many years, really the i m f and will bank to in the institutions along with profit tearing. Big companies have carved the whole of your bread bucks, basket up, especially after the cool in 2014, when a parent visa lensky was elected in a way to say, live were going to stop privatization. The privatization is, is the process now as well . Thats a very important point that he just made. Most of the world does not realize that under the foreign debt, ukraine has gone to see the structural adjustment programs that have been dictated by the west and Financial Institutions, such as a, b, r, d, through europe and back for Reconstruction Development needing to privatization and liberalization. And one of the big changes that have been implemented much against the will of the ukraine and people focus of academic, civil society. And farmers is the land reform know which was implemented in 2020, which creates a land back, basically allows uh, sales, agricultural allat. So a new report that you referred to water and test is really about the takeover of the you paid in Agricultural Land. And it exposed at the producers were exporting commodities from ukraine. Today. Im actually a large agribusinesses visa, only got what associated with your pin and not the American Financial institutions. In particular, the european back for reconstruction and development, as well as the word back. Yeah, but i mean, van god, being the Goldman Sachs noise over in wealth fund the im sure they will deny any wrong doing as theyre actively aided by the id and, and will bank their, their unit to feed the world as they presented. Well, when you look, when you look at our research, its actually demonstrates that nearly 20 percent of your grants, arable land. Were talking about nearly 9000000. 00 hectares of land after they controlled about all the gods and the west and financial interest. These up, the dominantly north american and european and these are the people who are not controlling the line. The largest land holder is the only got getting financial loans to invest in financial in tris, how youre talking about us pension funds. Youre talking about foundation endowments, being invested in the sun investing, and advocates for land and ukraine to private equity funds. So just be etc. Okay, still which the well bank and say look, we gave 5540000. 00. Just about small farm is in ukraine. I know thats the, thats the price of a sort of house in central london. Maybe. But they did give money to small farm is a new grant. When you look at the kind of loan instead of being made. But more important, the policies that have been generated. So you already had a desperate and ukraine, which has gone through structural adjustment loans, which has led to the privatization which has led to further liberalization. And now we do plan being more on the debt, as the reconstruction stops, whenever the war ends before the liberalization. So it will be the word back. It will be the i see the probably with a lending off the world bank. It will be dictating policies which will be further liberalize is liberalizing different sectors, especially the agricultural sector. What we dont recognize that one did talking about Food Security. Im, its russian invasion of your claim. It is not really about Food Security of the rest of the world because exports even know that id be allowed from you to train that have to do with profiteering the lodge agribusinesses which are really in the control of north america and europe in financial interest of course crystelina georgie ever they had a v i m f. We took over from christine the god who was found guilty of negligence in france and didnt have to serve a year sentence, a general sentence. She says, the priority of the i m f will be to help minimize the risk of crisis and build a stronger building, a stronger economies across the globe. The globe, best of the world bank age. A bank of the form of mascot ceo said to create a world free from poverty on a livable planet. How does that square of youve just said about the i m f and will bank the to washington base institutions . Well, whats happening right now is that you have further consolidation of man which is controlled by all the gods, which is controlled by western financial interest loans. The support is not going through the Small Farmers and ukraine and im, it says economic distress. We will see more and more consolidation as these farmers are not being supported. We have to understand that approaches that happened against the 2020 land reform. And the law was implemented. Im at school with when people could not protest the civil society, the academics, the farm was in, you print a basically demanding and calling for the different advocates for the model which instead of further consolidation of land. But on the godson lodge, agribusinesses is really about creating an Agricultural Policy which in book, in favor of the Small Farmers in new print. No, that is not in the interest of the am mass of the world bank or the i of see it is really about supporting private equity funds such as and c h in the United States where uh, foundations and as i said before, university and other endowments investing in so theres basically a circus going on last week for you in food system, some and sponsored by nestle, rockefeller barrier bill gates will the can on the floor and we think they probably did they discuss would they have discussed the kinds of issues raised in the your reports or from a different angle . Well, i think we have to see who was at the conference. As you say it is, there it is nestle, they are not in the business of statesmanship. Theyre not in the business of solving what is on the been the business of increasing the profits. They present the Auto Real Estate shareholders and increasing the profits. And this is why its important to understand when we talk about food crisis, because of the invasion of your brain, whos really benefiting the foot prices went up because of the speculation of the green markets. So even among the, you know, im, its the war, the kind of exports we have seen from ukraine a pretty high. So its a mit, its a lie which has been told to the world as those who are in the business of active business continue to get rich at the expense of the pool. This is a double whammy for the ukranian farmers while they are fighting for the farm. Then while they are fighting for the land, the land has been stolen away and taken away by possible all the gods and rest and financial interests. Many of said the landscape is a puppet of all the gods and, and western capital with the fact that he reinstated the structural adjustment privatization, austerity against the opposition, which it goes now is banned in in ukraine elections or may well be banned for next year. I mean, is this evidence that zalinski is a puppet, that he has re introduced the structural adjustment . Or is it that the, you know, culturally the way they persuade the countries to about you . Integration is, look, you need to reform your processes. And this is the way forward and then youll be all happy, like with the newer i think its very important to look at the history of the institution such as a low band and the i m. S. Theres nothing global about them. The state of the claim is to and polity very often, depart, policies, work against the poor, and they really didnt come about ending the poor and not ending the polity. You look at the continent of africa, which went through structural adjustment programs. So you look at asian and latin american countries, Structure Adjustment programs, has been about decimating the livelihoods of the poor decimating social services when both string, the interest of the corporations. This is what the liberalization agenda looks like. So i think we have to learn from history and see what the check a cost of these Financial Institution says be. So they are in the business of carving of countries like estimating livelihoods and creating for the fall ships for the poor. In case of food green, we have seen already what the structure and adjustment programs are doing. The increasing fall with the, the taking of his social services. So youre going to see more liberalization, more privatization, which is not going to work in the favor of people. It is really about working in the favor of corporations. And as wisdom corporations control more and more of Agricultural Land agribusinesses, we know what these policies are about. I mean, clearly its a, the war on russia through ukraine is a place to make masses of money for companies. But the, the food money system dimension of this doesnt seem to really be talked about. So in part, ukraine is a fight for these big Agribusiness Companies as well as i mean, is it corruption the way to actually see as part of the war, what ukraine is called, the bread boss, get a few or so who controls the Agricultural Land and ukraine uh, does become a major player in the food markets. This again is no different from the kind of land rush and the land grabs. We have seen across the world, especially since 2008, 2009. Im. Its the high foot price crisis. Im, its the financial crisis. So in terms of ukraine, as we see, the line being consolidated and controlled by ukrainian only got what do they indebted to west and Financial Institutions . We see the wisdom actors coming into the play in terms of controlling agriculture. And then we see the 2020 land reform act kicking to play and creating gland bands. We advocates for land is available for sale, where we see no support for the Small Farmers in ukraine. We seek nomic distress going. We know how things will play out. Small farmers will be driven out. And you will see consolidation of that. Weve seen this happen in the United States of america. We have seen this around the was a small pharmacy to a crucial for food, secure to be of countries are being driven away and the culture of agriculture is lost and this is really about who controls the food supply. Under control is agriculture land to make money and not defeat the what i dont know how to tell. Ill stop you the more from the founder and executive director of the Oakland Institute. After this break, the on the the 1937 militaristic, japan started a full scale invasion of china. The invading army was rapidly advancing towards the capital of the republic of china. Of the dies, the city of not seeing, leaving behind the burned down villages and thousands of the dead. On december 13th, the japanese occupied on z and staged out real massacre. For 6 weeks, the invaders exterminated the civilian population. 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Welcome to please or do have the sake apartment, c, i a weapons makers, multi 1000000000 dollar corporations. Choose your fax for you. Go ahead, change and whatever you do. Dont want my show stay main street because im probably going to make you uncomfortable. My show is called stretching time, but again, its not. We dont want to watch it because it might just change the way in the welcome back to going underground. Im still here with enron, them into the founder and executive director of the Oakland Institute on board chair of ben jerrys underwater. We were talking about this continuing structural adjustment, ideological basis of life being pushed from the United States. I thought there was a pause in it after the global financial, or has the chinese goal at western economic crisis. Was it suddenly come back again on the agenda, the idea of privatization to defacto help if you all the gods in the United States anyway as well. I think in terms of capitalism and in terms of some both string, the profit off of the rich, that model has never gone away. It has showed up in different ways where they to us to economic globalization. Whether we have seen it through structural adjustment programs, which was about increasing the profits of corporations, even if it causes cd, a hardship to the majority of the people we have seen into the World Bank Policies of doing business rankings, which was about ranking countries. And what they like to do business with uh, you know, a country which was implementing the labor laws, environmental regulations would get a, you know, bad business ranking. Whereas a country that was opening itself and offering all kind of incentives, depart, patients to get a good ranking. So its, if you look at the history, this constantly a play for increasing the profits of corporations. And after structural adjustment programs, we started doing business rankings. After doing business rankings were ended, navea saying, be ready, business project of the world bank. So to out there, these policies and programs and projects be put in place by wisdom. Capital is really to support wisdom corporations and foreign corporations, even at the lice and livelihoods of to put in developing countries. People can read that report on the bizarre ranking out a system one which country to do business on your uh website. But uh for those that i thought they were going to make a load of cash out of the a Great Initiative booting this thing, versus just gonna send the grain separately outside of their their systems will, can be done then to destroy the i, m f and world bank because the for you is a groups like yours and, and institutions and, and g os that theyre not allied to the military. Industrial complex of said they all guilty of starving millions, hundreds of millions of men, women, and children. What can be done . There doesnt seem to be any democratic accountability available, as you know, thats an excellent questions for almost 2025 years ago. There was a very popular call from the developing world, especially from africa saying 50 is in the International Monetary fund, world bank, which will create it at the end of the 2nd world war. I still rebuilding walked on economies of the west. Theres nothing global about them. You have a method. The head comes from europe. You have what bank with a head comes from the United States. You have these countries in the west that have unequal control over policies that come out of these institutions. And to continue to take over the economies of the tug was and basically implement extractive policies which are about stealing and pillaging the nature of the environment and the communities and implementing policies which in democracy in these countries which establishing the millions which are not of the people by the people for the people, but they really for the west and corporations. So what do we do with these institutions . We need to hold them accountable or an institution like the was bank, if it was really a bank, you minutes, boss. And the amount of damages across it would no longer be operating. It is food and it stated mission of ending poverty. So i think it is absolutely important that internationally we are asking what these institutions us to doing and we need to hold them accountable. This band should have gone out of business, given the kind of, uh, you know, damage it has caused around the world. It has given bad loans, which would have led to structural adjustment programs. These bad loans have been given very often to dictate is where the poor people are having to pay back for them. So its no real good size as to what should happen to these institutions, as well as to go up to governments, which basically wage wars. So corporations can continue to get rich. Well, i signed a j bank of the head of the world bank, but he was nominated by joe biden. News on on to biden, was paid by pen a, which is a alliance with mastercard. Is previous employ bite and seems to have confidence in him nevertheless, but given that your policy director has said how deceitful the United Nations has become. Because after all, and junior gutierrez is very quick to talk about this grading deal, being important, given Vladimir Putin says, oh, well, were open to a new one. Is it impossible for us to, to organize . Im kind of greenville in, during this war, that will not end up being a part of agribusiness corporations in the west, especially maybe if the u. N. Is involved that will what, what, what is frederick miss . How your policy director go to against this. You and i mean its a paula, is it, together with the western bank . Financial is usually you and its supporting large food trading companies, all the gods and the lenders in jail. This is a stay and export business in grow profits despite the cottage of wor, as well. This is all, its really about being against the United Nations as the policy pink time, we look at the facts and instead of pulling lead to c panel. Well, it does appallingly deceitful because if you have United Nation saying that this initiative is important to prevent famines and allow export of food commodities to countries which are food insecure, which are in need. But you have to look at the fact that despite what the United Nation says its own data, not all data but United Nations data stays. But only 3 percent of the food commodities that like spoke to from your print when to food and secure countries off the countries which had any kind of food shortages. They are going predominantly to european union. And the 2nd one is china. Im the referred, there are a few institutions like your one like oaks from actually as said similar things. What did like running and running your Oakland Institute given the way the world bank and i m f is able to use the funding for n g owes to presume the rubbish, everything you say . Well actually what we do is be the issue there lies there. So used to kind of blowing smoke into the eyes of people. It is the work of institutions like the Oakland Institute to basically say that and pro has no new clothes. This is the word by which has consistent ugly line deck into some kids. And suddenly we think it is in the business of protecting the poor and improving Food Security. Lets not forget, this is the same, is tradition which dont ask and countries which will fold explore, holding countries into food importing countries. So given its history and the evidence that exist, given the data that comes from the United Nations itself, we have floating ourselves and choosing to remain ignorant. Given by funding development, Development Economics developments that is University Educational institutions throughout the world theyre, theyre funding people. So that they can proudly talk about wanting to solve world hunger and will be pirating this blacks the green initiative. Nonsense. Where is your voice presumably is not good on the Mainstream Media or what i think this is really whats called tool washing. I mean, i think the burden of proof is on then to demonstrate how do they call it development. Now, how do you call devastating Livelihoods Development . How do you for destroying agriculture and livelihoods of Small Farmers development . So the burden of proof is really on them. So they can pull wash, they can dream wash, they can lie as much as they want. But when you look at their research and data again, their own data, you look at the research that comes out of the world bank. All you have to do is be slightly intelligent and not lazy and go through the status. The truth and the evidence is right there. Its the truth that you confront from a height, from the lights of the amount of black Rock Connections to zalinski. Maybe this is laughable or tragic, given the 10s of thousands that have been killed in this war. Technically presume. Reason ask you would say no, you know, boss is off to the us back who in 2014, its illegal for foreigners to own land. So how is agribusiness managing to invade the country . Ill give you more successfully than any other country. What i would strongly urge your, our view is to read a report water in the past, which clearly demonstrates using corporate data bases and private data basis to expose who was actually invested in these lands. Im sorry, earlier i mentioned p h c. I should mention that the funds, which is a us based private equity fund, which is heavily invested and whether you expansion funds, foundations University Endowments invested, is the n c h capital. So you have private equity funds moving and like watches who are investing in land. So im afraid president zaleski, you have to look at our reports and the data that we have secured, which beauty demonstrates who owns the land, is predominantly the on the golf and ukraine. As well as the west and financial interest predominantly north american and european. Obviously they old and i wrong doing, and were not an advocate for those funds. And in a case, i presume is a bad betsy. If nato eventually admits defeats in, in this war, and do you ever think that a your, a defective by mistake advising people to invest in these profiteering agribusiness firms as you explain what you appear to be saying is deep corruption involved in this war. As regards food from native countries, i think everyone can say that the water is corrupt, as you said, if it wasnt so tragic, if it wasnt above the destruction of lives, that b a c, it would be funny and laughable as to how its a chess game thats made, but the reality is a tragedy. The tragedy of lives being lost, childrens will losing their lives. The mine fields, destruction of livelihoods. I know war is about peace. No war in todays world is about really dignity and reward is corrupt. Every war is about taking resources away and putting it in the military. Industrial complex to introduce civilized world to not have diplomacy to not have top of these. To see lice being devastated. To see that youre creating and fama as being in the bible fee. Instead of having rich livelihoods, growing food for themselves, a country in the world, i mean, its a shame that we are off flores by these lies of dignity and bravery, and democracy, and support and friendship with ukraine. The truth, as is once again the Corporations Court out to make money and profit even if, if its the cost of slides and last name of the innocent underwriting the job. Thank you. I think thats over the show. Well be back on saturday with a brand new episode, but until then you can give it to us by the social media. If its not sensitive in your country and had to have channel going onto the tv on rumbled up. Com to watching you and all the episodes of going underground. So use that to the same rom. Just dont need to see the house and engagement equals the trail. When so many find themselves will support. 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