Thats all for this and he is out as always is great and to have your company here on, on the international. Im good, the back in more influential than ever. Thats what many youve observed since Tucker Carlson was fired from his prominent perch at fox news. Unafraid in on. We are off and relentlessly, punches up at the establishment and speaks out for the weeks in power the. The hello and welcome to was a part 3 hours have always watched each other with a change of jealousy on his facility. But is it the number to the return of reason diplomacy bring king a number of long how to a political assumptions. You would pay the way for a room where great means not only might is right, but also responsibility that comes with howard. Want to discuss that amount joined by tonys smart induced form bassinger to saudi arabia, investor. Its a great pleasure and great honor for me to talk to thank you very much for time and you really bad for the religion. You know, whenever i interview prominent indian thinkers on china, i always feel myself a part of a love hate triangle because a china and india are so big and so close geographically that i guess its impossible for them to be neutral towards each other. Having said that, i wonder if china is resend brakes to diplomacy, including uh, the success in bringing the salad using the rain hands. Do they negotiate negotiating table . Is that worthy of respect and particularly worthy a respect of that Indian Counterpart . Its our changes with your respect from the indian side, any in nature, do any Diplomatic Initiative that bro, moores piece and still be in the middle east is gonna be able to come to by order with us. And i, she wrote this week, id be Getting Better coming or they would have to be met you engaging in, bringing to get us that will be any idea of you. Uh, the country is happiness change for bar google. That has to be met a lot of the do, but ation exchange between them they nearly came to arms length of war uh a set of circumstances in 2019. So ive list committee, both of this initiative and i will that the, that the, which i need to for theres no guarantee is, would be able to go forward and wed be able to go successful this various methods thatd be like that were not one of the reasons why i think the, the news of the Saudi Arabian deal astonished many is that we have come to take this risks for granted as almost the natural rather than man made. Stayed off by international affairs. How much do you think your politics and by that i mean this uh uh, fluid mix of, uh there is interest um the various influences. How much has it influence the, the initial risk and how much has of influence its apparent the resolution. Now, i dont have the idea that it is a narrative realty, in international relations, nor do i believe that have been any in they were deeply deep when they got to the estrangement. Which means that will be the idea that they havent been no media webs able to study them and making the most out of the name yet. Actually i really, really jumps out. Thatd be, thatd be a lot of you have, but it is upside down the with the thing. Yeah. And they let it what it was saying, a very me that, i mean we have you go to the exchange, the wall on the visit, often that there have been issues that do i, did them not necessarily connected with anything that had happened between them. But the same source do your what another believe. Yeah, i will call it in the yard out of the way. And so ill be out of pretty bad bad. And so it would be any of yeah, itd be really a go, a considerable extent about it. So not the neighbor, which was so much bigger and it had such a Large Population and continued defense. Gimme a really deep sleep or can sir, but it was bored. So im sure. So the fact that the board is a big old will be affiliated with the american the americans of us are all to be security gathered them as lot of like even worse. Good sir. But the situation didnt give you an easy they were brought. She was late and see the added. Yeah. Been, thatd be way did them and that was the same. So 0 or sub z, matthew. Yeah. Genes does situation, but basically what the growing the and i teach him. Yeah. Thatd be a medic. This are more. Can i be able to say good, the broadway there . I mean this, or this legion bed for the last few years. The style deeds have been looking at. I did the pro my, the options. And theyre having the beauty of ideas already probably wouldnt be going to be about read the bread people. They had 5 at all and dropped. Wed be good about that ended musket. And i would see that the chinese in egypt, they in this bag, you know, so i will say that yes, this is a very positive develop when you do that kind of the nature of certain combined terms on both sides certainly. But at the same time rebuild for like a native that china has not to blame that it is going to be a significant political and diplomatic, but it is in that age. And let me ask you specifically about chinas role here. As i heard you say before, the china recognizes the limits and understands the problems can only be addressed and hopefully resolve by the countries themselves. But its ready to provide what psychologist, call a safe container, or what you called was i, uh, maybe the mediation, the sort of congenial, authentic atmosphere of that, where those difficult issues could be tackled or leave this car. Now, how important it is, im other, any other countries or any other platforms that can provide these safe space for genuine authentic negotiation of difficult issues. The background relating to china is that that has been the age of china in the east midland, where the fast or the last 4 b is the 1st 20 years, but i was no p of the northbrook claim that the board making progress and it was concerned that the us, the board seem to know about the be able to do anything to jeopardize the dental. Before i brought the mission, largely open economic director about the emergence of china and the legs. These are good, exactly 10 years ago in 2013. But i didnt, she didnt being, i know the one bed one brought it in. You should be that later became the bed and all the ship 10 years later, time not has allowed them to get there. Also going to be a major or is it because clear in what it is you to try it earlier on this guy . Not be that it was not familiar with with bishop, had not been there for the wrong, but i did not know that religion the like we didnt but got a job. But the last been yes, i have no get the jamie scholars have read that makes or maybe it would be really, god forbid each year. And there are a lot of variables is much more of the, of the chinese up, which is quite different from that of the americans. The american approach is to have a very strong, maybe the presence of the, the gym. And well have brand driven and be at the office to be interviewed in the back. The really 34. I will say 3 little lady, frankly, that go with the law for be a since the end of the or more i would say to you, then the writers dates has left the legion bolt, the shifter, the what the chinese offer is something quite different. The ball in which i may be a trim order is the west side media important evening. The week of solve your problems can be solar by country. Its only pro engagement with each other. Well, the chinese goal is all for the offices as daily human sales and garbage dialogue and either the they use the word hardly be in this they got, they look forward to being brokers. They are engaging dialogue between people and standing by a loading goal, yet theyve disagreements. He has marked it by that the and david i will read you means that chinese have lead themselves and again, big box or disagreement and therefore have bid themselves gather the secretary. Clearly the try at china is a reputation as a piece builder or as a mediator has received a significant boost. But uh there are also some provisions economic provisions in this deal. For example. Amazing is trying to encourage saudi or rage iran to uh, conduct any uh, by lead stroll, trade deals uh, being denominated in you on, youve got the cost to pass. What do you think is going to be the significance of that . Both for the, the countries involved and perhaps even broader. That is, at steves at the amazing stage i made this, i believe i have already see the number of reports from baby a sources indicating ending 3, using a fraction or using your y or any other non bona barcode transactions. If it comes to that, you know, the flush really big green because the lag, just dance, it would be nice to have missed your bother under god. Did you need that . The sanctions, the board up all need to be here. You need that to be brought from the new get agree with the green sanction they bought. When you ball would understand the country, it does seem as a cross miss your or their daughter, if you have a st. Jude, i would say, agree will very frankly, it can take any more. So i just wont be a medic whos been taking it. Well, did you always find the answers deep as moberly and it made it to the bible study. Although as to the device, the Community Park used to be in the, in the sciences. And that has been that this a junk did the device no Community Live number, role deeded in the risk dasia as well as the bar of each of the serious deacons said that this kind of will be lack of grossly unfair action can be big. I guarantee that already they all are against any trailer or against any of the example. Lets not move. They only sent them the room as well. And yet, and it gives us yeah, so confused, odd kids. Or you can already see that the chinese by a lot of the latin, the android in the a heads up 10 shared guys. I mean the sions on the be just by the sanctions. Im eva and giant. Youd be a, id like you to build up or the better the girl make the visits to cover things that have been, im fairly targeted by the american on the, on the account dropping 5 inches. So id like to look for other options. Now. I, investor, i dont know if you would agree with that, but i think the americans had tend to view these defines of the universal policy as an ideological move. They like to portray it as a sort of a battle existential battle between a head democracy and a talk receives. But from what youre saying at the countries, i do not know that out of any idea of logical or recent, per se, but there is simply pursuing that common sense it go. If not survivalist interest, do i understand you correctly that its not so much and ask of defying the americans as simply a, you know, following your own path and doing whats, whats good for you without necessarily trying to steal something from others, to read orders back to the american policy makers in washington dc, their business or, or a baby and lives a democratic gad, he has no conviction workshop. Nobody in the world believes it, or the americans are you with us or argue against that. That is the legal. It doesnt matter why you will remember that in there by the americans have been the strongest of all the hop out of died south africa, or part of the baby of the gmc in latin america in africa or pottery. Davey and reggie limited. Yeah. So i am not impressed with this. Any it is, it is when people considered but did you read the description . We are looking for depth with m as you know, neither china, nor did i share, nor india, nor did i already went by. You decide you linked up on liability of a new or what we have been as you dipping over the last 20 years. Ill show you that youre looking at what is the border that going to be update. We have simply change the american, both jeff or we have seen it a large number of countries every month on the words page. They have that all mean fish and, but theyre all good. They have the priorities being worked through z being the option of b u data on board. And policy bought jo, best basically making sure that comes to your team in the context of the bought in your group. Hardly any country had supported the american agenda or the walkers the lives that are all the baby, any of them or them hardware, expedited be back. Because the where to be lead. We, i mean, by the board where we have our right big room. Disney jr. Is the guy who made the mistake as well as methods each member of the device. Ok, well, im bassinger. We have the right and obligation right now to take a little break, but it will be back in just a few moments state june. The welcome back to was the parts bit telling me so smart in just foreman baset are to Saudi Arabian ambassador before the break. We were talking about how various countries finally have the result and perhaps the necessity to pursue that on uh, national interest. Um, the concept of multiple a world not necessarily ideal logic color defines to the United States, but simply out of their own interest. Them, i heard you say before the, the us as answer to that changing world order has been the new cold water, which i have to say in ukraine, turned into a hot or do you think that will help the americans to hold onto the so called leadership and im not asking for a moral judgment here. Do you think thats a good strategic decision to pursue a confrontation with russia as a way of sort of holding onto the um, to the benefits that they have been sustaining . The d is or western board western leg word order and the days of us would be that word order is now that will be more usc in your 3 is the last at the desk. But that the, by the american and the fuel west, the light that they have full but its the dry re being that court order is some more detail order that has no relation with the the word as g. I want to be pointed disregard number one, building dead shore bbc america, lift the shoulder to pop out in the word. Ok. The next are already violent, said damage that they get really get their own. We have to be looking at 20 years after the war. We also know that maybe these simply the database thatd be america. They did a kind of stuff. We are for officially that hall, 4000000 people with a kid there during the American Occupation of the country in the us that and you that about that is the reason why that is what the thinking did a deal there has to be that i use the other countries, they are not claiming to pop our data, but they are getting that service degree off in the west. And im seeking arrangements that more does that provide these changes. The book is very bluntly through their own ward, florida is boxy, and thatd be itd be can it be whole again the problem might be boiler, would it be hard if it cannot be . Its already a yeah. Youll get the same diag cooperation or good. I vision air bags and dig into the origin, but i mean by for vision and know what is done in the deep level of them. But we need to environments that by one of each of them, rather using owners, fluid dynamics on the beach referral based on logic. Im going to make one more point that i double and that is this sort of that bind be showed in west European Countries have locked in on the american agenda. And his dad says, gaming were getting war be has have been visiting market thinking, youre logged into the water and you bring germany agree, me with hundreds of billions of products. The lord have accepted this the many of those simple folk. Im center point one, point me a dan, what you imagine is the, the job would be coming. Subordinate would be a medical agenda in see if i worked on yours by daniel. Imagine from remaining subordinate to the american intent that i have jeff, i really was her bank because of it didnt say good indeed. Resolve the driver. Oh yeah. Oh yeah, youre not really good joined the western alliance. I gave china as well. So therefore, im suggesting that more to she as a, when this all around the americans, i really that, i mean, live or cool in a n t bridge. I and theres lots of danger. Can i ask you about that . Because uh, this is something thats be, is being discussed in russian circles a lot. Uh, namely, what you mentioned, whether we can imagine a re on germany or brands remain under the american uh, control or the american can for the next 5 to 7 years. But if we look at the national lead, a lead to those countries, most of them are western educated that, that level of expertise, or that level of knowledge, even of the basic european history, seems to be very, very limited. What makes you believe that something go happened in those grades . European nations that will provide the kind of leads that will be more, its not more sir. Different guns the, the americans, but then at least a little bit more independent than minding their own interest is a difficult question for me. Go on show. We dont. Or what french i have as a long term pro magic every year after the 7 years, i had been up the board at the extent of 11 in, in western countries, particularly invest in europe. And United States really got to be this train that guy, joe. And the diamond mixed ability could either be all countries in africa and asia. Im glad you know maybe even menu of their salt or dish birch b actually in the leg looking they are full on the board. Measurement is dish that being seen the same children. Why or offer to bromwoods, as well as all or all subject the only 3 is that you must move in your in the top is coming to, you want to know what is and you didnt you more the walk out of their priority be then into your fault, cuz you read your really, your wor, priority you have, you have come to lives yourself, particularly be a very do have the bill and then youll need people in the what the other board or it will be american believe that both american be the best for border watch movie news. Yeah. Now for the guy and id be of america that they just dont read your boards to yes, we have a problem, but each of the theyre marked something that you can get a goal. What people are looking and you will have small a lead to where you wont be at their own invest the bank debbie can be itd be believe it warning letter g m motorcycle the same 3rd more worried about their future. And therefore, yes, there is a certain view, lynn said that they have to be in the vision that are all that i know and thats what we are leaving. So we are leaving corvette, theyre leaving to a good whole bunch of to be, i want to ask you a specific question about, uh, energy and nothing more challenging, but rather, uh, saudi arabia and utilize your norm as expertise in that area. Easily even more striking than uh, china is recent success be the saudis intention to as a result, to go the own way. Because for many years, the scientist position themselves as a staunch american l. And yep, if we actually look at the recent statements and the recent moves, for example, the commitment to the a park class deals that refusal uh to sell oil 2 countries that introduce price caps on oil, including uh, you know, thats the measure that is forced by the by the west, you know, it seems the guy Foreign Policy is far more independent and far more actually inward looking then at any of the countries that uh you know, surround the west at this point of time.