Processing nato state. Im joined by my guess, lucas gauge in brick. Hes a marine veteran author in philosopher in salt lake city. We have david pine, he is Deputy Director of National Operations for the task force on national and Homeland Security and engine able we cross through the tone. He is a swift journalist, writer, and politician, alright. Prospect roles and effects. That means you can jump any time you want, and i always appreciate. Lets go to break for us. Lucas. Theres a lot of things in play. Theres a lot of moving pieces here. And the last new cycle, zalinski still determined to retake cry me a. We have the building this summit with nato gathering in about 10 days time. And we have this prospect of a false flag being mentioned intentionally into the media. Is lot of scare mongering involved here co and one more thing the counter offensive in ukraine is not going is, is scheduled no surprise there. Whats the lay of the land, my friend, what do you see here . Go ahead. Well, i see that the russians are still doing what they are doing tactically, taking their time. Theyre not trying to put themselves in a meat grinder and ukraine is doing the exact opposite. Theyre being pressured by nato and washington to go in full force. And as you mentioned, its not working out that well, but they have to sell this story that extra going well and people arent really buying it. I see more and more people question the narrative. And, you know, ukraine has been getting very desperate doing acts of terrorism stretching back since the beginning of the war from the bombing of the bridge ascending barrier to dina. Now that the dam being flooded, i mean all these things, its not a sign of someone winning the war. So russians are doing the great that theyre doing very well on the battlefield there. Ive heard people say 7 to one killed death ratios with the ukrainians with losing 7 people, one russian. So its not looking. Busy for them, and i think that the russians will went out this war just how many people before the negotiations, how many lives are lost before they sit down and actually talk peace. Thats really the question. I absolutely agree, and i an on the back of that, i would suggest that everyone go to sub stack and read John Mearsheimer slay dismissive, which is a, basically a reflection of lucas as lots and mine. Let me go to d. N a in geneva. We keep hearing about these different scenarios about negotiations that the ukrainians couldnt we conquer a certain amount of land, cutting off the land bridge to you . Cried mia, theyll have a better spot at the negotiating table. But theres, theres something wrong with that assumption. What, why would russia even sit down and negotiate and table at this point . Go ahead in geneva. Yes, i dont think that the russia is, is now ready for the for the goose chase on, because for sure we have Long Distance thats. Its exactly the existence of the fact. Because if they go now for negotiation dual anywhere we continue because of quite a yes, really not accept. The question shines as i said theyre already doing to uh do do do to meg. Cool. I dont really work on crap. Nothing be done by the time. Yeah. So far, why shot its not the time to negotiate. They can negotiate only if the recording is ready, not to be a member off may to which is not the case. No and no peaceful where to go to you. As long as i marry can scrunchy that russia is of the type fall there will have to jump into. Well, well thats, thats exactly the point. Im glad you mentioned that because david, this is, you know, its, its, its not one ukraine, one. So i mean, we can listen to whats a wednesday, the is a panhandler, he just wants money and he wants prestige that he wants a wants to pump up. Is a go fine party and people in the west and want to do that. But david, its not what ukraine wants, its what washington wants. Okay. And what washington wants as a strategic defeat of russia. Well, russia is not going to go along with that. And you know what, in between time and in the middle is ukraine being grinded into dust . David . Yeah, so true. You know, the, the dirty secret i guess, or the secret the western media refuses to admit, is that, uh, you know, of course, russian beta ukraine did. So after being provoked by, uh, buying the nato. But uh, putting this uh uh, these terms on the table since day 2 more ive been covering that in the National Interest and my real wars of stack websites and most recently of september of following the next ation of uh for uh you probably know lost by the Russian Federation of the russia essentially stated that it, it seemed all of its, uh, nearly all of its objectives. And the remaining objectives could be obtained through a piece that goes with the on the go to the steel. And that offers the table since september. So rushes really been the side has been trying to end the war and the world would have ended it for us. You had us way back in march, march. 31st of course has went out to the peace deal was signed between uh, russian ukraine which is great. And then ended up completely ranking on after it was pushed to do so by the, by the ministration. And then Prime Minister of the you k worst, johnson. So that would save the lives of perhaps 450000. 00 or more. A radiance of those old soldiers incidentally is i do agree with you with lucas that, you know, be pretty counter offensive. It has been going very badly with ukraine suffering the 71 to ashleys entry to one overall more than russia during the war. So this, lori is gonna end it. Were going to do a huge piece that will make the sooner we do it, the better russia, you know, and the key i think is to uh, conclude a free and style pharmacist agreement and, and the warrant gets it for one control. Yeah, well you know, i come across as im going to look into your come across this, the korean analogy is that the problem with using it in this case here is that the major powers all agreed to the, to the arm assessed in, in, on the korean peninsula, i dont see, i dont, i dont see any reason world in the world by russia has to compromise on anything. We had the minute process. Okay. We already know what the negotiating position of the west is, is to lie. Lucas, and thats correct. And the screen is, were violated, so the russians have no reason to trust the west at all. They have to win completely in this more. And unfortunately thats gonna take more lights on the creating. And so, i mean, of course the russians are losing as well, but not as many people as the ukrainian side. And its just a tragedy to see this unfold because it is the west pushing the ukrainians into the me credit. They dont care about your grand. Ive said it since ive comments in the beginning, this war along the guy said theyre just using his cannon fodder cause they want to, we can russian with sanctions in this war and everything. Its backfire. And peter, nothing has worked at his strength and brushes economy. Its a strength of the alliance with china and other countries, and it showed the world that the western hedge of monique is collapsing. Nobody trust america anymore. Nobody trusts and they dont. People question why didnt even have nato at this point. Its only causing problems and you know, people are saying that the premiums wanna join, they dont, they dont even have to join at this point because its already that the west is acting as if theyre already part of nato. So there are hardy putting troops on the ground. Busy scenario from several countries, not just ukraine fighting russia. Its every one fighting russia yet again, im so glad. Lucas brought that up because defacto ukraine is already a member of nato. But without the article 5 guaranteed, i mean the washington must be popping champagne bottles every day. So the equations are willing to die, but we dont have to protect them. This is amazing. And the arms about producers are making tons of money. I mean, this is the, the best possible outcome because the, the usaa is no obligation. Other than to watch, you know, the ukraine grind itself into, into ashes. Its remarkable that theyve been able to get an elite and ukraine to go along with this. Maybe even more remarkable. Gentleman is it youre a goes, is being led by the nose by washington, by a guy that is comatose in the white house. Go ahead and geneva. Yeah. Yeah. Youre the babies that nobody cares about to credit him because americans dont care about and credit and they to doesnt get to then even quin yang because one that doesnt care about this one citizen because those events keys are ready to fight. Going to the last queen and so yeah, so nobody can spend duration. They have no reason to care about the credit. Yes. Yeah. Ready to fight against the last. Sorry. Go to reconstruct crime. Yeah. And done by us, which rush does on reset or that the homepage that for good reasons. Because the population of duration speaking people are often boss and also crime a appointment. It was invited, the 1014 back to the russian speaking people. And as the harsh, im from the bus really a tech to buy the or inquiring and go home at the cute there were going to 14000. 00 people refuse in their last year. So the volunteer rush of the have to but that, thats also a reason why the russian him to be in the, in the in quint because to protect the ethnic and russia speaking people the best. Dont forget it and know yes. Later, later we probably can introduce just uh, the next the, during the next summit there were probably give a huge and even higher commitment to praying for fighting to do last my last big g, but david mailed him a lot of things. I have no doubt about that, but david, but david, they will not keep the membership. David, go ahead. Yes, absolutely correct. You know, its a, its an open secret that youve created. Well, never joined a, you know, i mean, certainly as a faculty member, but theres never been any chance for be graded joint data for many reasons. So france and germany veto that long ago, back in 2008 until recently they helped the same position. Frances recently come around the other side of a turkey and hungry would also join germany and in between the membership at any point, even if the war was over. And it also is a requirement of nato membership that a country need to aspirant approval will not have any territory dispute on any 4 groups occupying in spiritual group. And that can only be achieved with the by and praying formally seed in all uh, territory direction control to russia. So thats the only prospect the i agree with you that for a very technical legal point of view. But i, i, i dont put it past may till breaking its own rules, but it will give you rather reasoning is actually spot on gentlemen, im going to jump in here. Were gonna go to a hard break. And after that hard break, well continue our discussion on natos fate. Stay with all the the a hi, im rick sanchez and im here to plan with you whatever you do. Do not watch my new show. Seriously. Why watch something thats so different. Little opinions that he wont get anywhere else. Welcome to please or do the have the state department c i a weapons makers, multi 1000000000 dollar corporations. Choose your fax for you. Go ahead. I changed and whatever you do, dont want my shell stay main street because im probably going to make you uncomfortable. My show is called stretching time. But again, its not, we dont wanna watch it because it might just change the way and say take a fresh look around theres a life kaleidoscopic, isnt just a shifted reality distortion by power to division with no real opinions. Fixtures designed to simplify will confuse who really wants a better wills, and is it just as a chosen for you, fractured images, present it is, but can you see through their illusion going underground . Can the welcome actually prophesied for all things are considered . Im peter, lets remind you, were discussing nato state the. Okay, lets go back to look is the, the thing thats making the headlines right now and i think its a intentional war. Mongering is the possibility of a false flag. Of course, the narrative is the russians for some reason will damage or bomb and you get a power plant in its own possession. I cant really understand the logic of it, and its never explained in the mainstream media. But when i hear talk of that, i understand a couple of things. Nato is losing. Im not going to say ukraine, because this is natos war now. So nato is losing. Okay. And its getting desperate. I think you probably heard of Lindsey Graham and Richard Blumenthal talking about is a Senate Resolution that if any kind of new killer action is happens at that plant, it would be a trigger. A article 5 we action by nato. Remarkably blumenthal said, this is, you know this, this is not a move out of desperation or panic. Well then, why did he use the words desperation and panic . Ok. It shows to me that they are moving up the escalation latter. Your thoughts, lucas . Yes. Anyones going to do a false flag, its going to be nato and the ukrainians, or some other people doing it like north stream pipeline. You know, all these other things that i mentioned, this aspiration of their duty during the bombing of the crimea bridge. This is all a, this is a sign of someone losing a war. The russians are not doing these kinds of things are not assassinating. People are not sabotaging anything. Like i mentioned the dan before. So if theres a false flag, its been a 100 percent p, nato and its allies, you know, and thats obvious to everyone who understands how the script displayed. Its always that way, you know, the United States or its allies and say, dont cross this red line and then suddenly its crossed by the people that theyre paying, whether it be the jihadists and syria, or is another country. Its always the same set up and it works all the time, but people are starting to see that this is come on. This is, makes no sense of what with the russians do this. They wasnt just like they didnt bomb word stream to. Well, yeah, okay. I mean, im glad that lucas brought it up because the scenario that we had with um, uh, the use of chemical alleged the use of a dirty bomb and syria. This is exactly the same thing that theyre trying to convince, get. And its warmer and a new crane, theyre talking about it. I think its more of a ploy by the other zalinski regime to mobilize Public Opinion as a board goes on. And, and of course it is as a terrified the population um, in that country and further afield. I dont understand why as im kind of Nuclear Reaction with, with the wind blow in go east and not only to the west that doesnt make any sense here. But these people have not been making sense for a very long time. Nato is nato is very existence at stake right now. Its put all of its eggs in one basket or. Yeah, you know, we have to understand that its this type of just a shot can oh, you know, and if you look this since the stopped in got peaceful every 2 months, you have a big event. Laptop such as a workshop. I found log stream that goes all that and so on, you know, dont do pop up to shop in the Country Convenience in the western countries. The fable foster bought into wal mad girls. So thats fine. But im going status of the stucco or just the plan to follow up that can be used as such to create such a shot. You know the 2 pro hawk. Oh, the big dresser box. Oh, for the queen. Business. Certainly neutral question. Um it is losing 100 wrong, which is the case seems to be the name of discount or price you. So in my view is not possible to do that. So frustrate that continues to follow up on the 2nd was that can happen. Uh, due to this, we have to do to come see dr. Do. The narrative is very important for the rest of the course of the uh, the tech, from tech to do the as long as the direct tv, the dish information role as a to be kept in west davis. They need to do so thought id, but such a short events. Yeah, david, i mean, in my introduction, i talked about how this has been turned into an existential war for both sides. But there was a craving choice on the part of nato. Its never been explained to western publics what the Strategic Value is of ukraine. It hadnt been during the cold war after the cold war. And a certainly, as ive noticed, that asian value to go to europe and then and when they throw in the usual and its usually they may use platitudes, as you know, its about democracy. Well, then ski, cancel the election this. There are no political opposition. Parties dont exist, theres no freedom of speech um, etc, etc. And but they still come in for all this out. Is it, is it is a excess dental for the existence of democracy in the west in general. I mean, this is this growing absurdity. David. Yeah, i mean theres uh, i mean is the whiskey put it in to the service that were just getting democracy in ukraine because there is no democracy in ukraine . You know, zalesky is active to us acetate in prison. All political, oppositional years is uh, you know, about 11 different political parties, these, uh, take it over all of our positions, tv networks and, and have them broadcast. So you probably get a 247. So theres really no democracies all the work were doing there. And theres no other we were so strategic interest at all. Theres no National Interest at all for us to be involved in ukraine. And in fact, i would argue theres no nationalist, theres no security interest for nato to be involved by great out of the emissions ukraine. Is kind of referral to, to nato, and its a worse generally. I mean, overall, its a board dispute between what rushing you prayed over uh, swap the territory about the size of the baltic nation. So this is a war that has, on only one ending russia overwhelmingly, matches over matches the pre and in terms of military power. Its, its gotten the call and deliver inside of larger its got 35. 00 times more territory. It occupies nearly a 5th of ukraine and theres no few prey and get any any but back it is 5 times more people, 5 times more takes our to her systems and combat aircraft. So we need to recognize that the longer this work, it was on the greater the death and destruction you created and the more territory that russia is likely to gain the worse and the worst piece of terms that will pull the ultimately being published upon t. Well, to say theres only one more step to take outside this false flag, which i anticipate, sorry, but i do a bit. Thats the mindset of these people. But what we have to deal with here is that they will be the last straw is to, you know, allow lensky zalinski to convince nato to join the war. Thats the last ultimate step. Yeah, i, like i said, i think theyre pretty much in the were all ready. I think we all agree that there are many different quotes who now know what i mean, lucas is that, you know, they go to war with russia and then more size taken out. Been berlin then bill. And thats, thats what i mean. Thats