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Dont marshall stay main street because im probably going to make you comfortable. My show is called stretching time, but again, its not. We dont want to watch it because it might just change the way inside the the, [000 00 00;00] the hello and welcome to cross stock were all things are considered non peter lavelle, nato is made it clear in teams. Its you cream proxy war against russia as ex, essential, as such, russia to cease the conflict as a central, it could not be otherwise. There will be no negotiated end to this conflict. One side will lose. The smart money is not on binding or nathan, the cross hatching nato state. Im joined by my guess. Lucas gauge in brick. Hes a marine veteran author in philosopher in salt lake city. We have david pine. He is Deputy Director of National Operations for the task force on national and Homeland Security and engine able we cross through the tone. He is a swift journalist, writer, an politician, alright. Prospect rolls in effect, that means you can jump anytime you want. And i always appreciate, lets go to uh, break for us. Lucas. Uh, theres a lot of things in play. Theres a lot of moving pieces here in the last new cycle. Zalinski still determined to retake crime me. Uh, we have the uh, building this summit within nato. Gathering uh, in about 10 days time. Um and we have this prospect of a false flag being mentioned intentionally into the media is a lot of scare mongering involved here. Oh, and one more thing the counter offensive in ukraine is not going is, is scheduled no surprise there. Whats the lay of the land, my friend, what do you see here and go ahead to go. I see that the russians are still doing what they are doing tactically, taking their time. Theyre not trying to put themselves in a meat grinder. And ukraine is doing the exact opposite. Theyre being pressured by nato and washington to go in full force. And as you mentioned, its not working out that well, but they have to sell the story that extra going well and people arent really buying it. I see more and more people questioning the narrative. And, you know, ukraine has been getting very desperate doing acts of terrorism stretching back since the beginning of the war from the bombing of the bridge ascending barrier davina. Now that the dam being flooded, i mean all these things, its not a sign of someone winning the war. So russians are doing the great that theyre doing very well on the battlefield there. Ive heard people say 7 to one killed death ratios with the ukrainians are losing 7 people, one russian. So its not looking good for them. And i think that the russians will went out this war just how many people before the negotiations, how many lives are lost before they sit down and actually talk peace. Thats really the question. I absolutely agree, and i an on the back of that, i would suggest that everyone go to sub stack and read John Mearsheimer as late as missive, which is a, basically a reflection of lucas as lots and mine. Let me go to the, in a, in geneva, we keep hearing about these different scenarios about negotiations that the ukrainians couldnt. We conquer certain amount of land, cutting off the land bridge to you can try me. Theyll have a better spot at the negotiating table. But theres, theres something wrong with that assumption. What, why would roger even sit down and negotiating table at this point . Go ahead in geneva. Yes, i dont think that the russia is, is now why do you fall off on the goose chase on . Because for sure we have Long Distance thats. Its exactly the existence of the fact. Because if they go now on the goose chase, some dual anywhere we continue because of quite a yes. Read the exit. But the question is, shines. As i said, theyre already doing to uh do do do to may call. I dont really work on crap. Im not going to be done by the time. Yeah. So far washer, its not good time to negotiate. That can negotiate only if the recording is ready. The next to be a member of me to which is not the case. No, and no peaceful where to go to you as long as americans can see that trust shop is a big type fall there. That the gym i mean in the world. But thats, thats exactly the point. Im glad you mentioned that because david, this is, you know, its, its not one ukraine, one. So, i mean, we can listen to whats a wednesday. The is a panhandler. He just wants money and he wants prestige. That he wants a wants to pump up is a go fine or play, and people in the west, the want to do that. But david, its not what ukraine wants. Its what washington wants. Okay. And what washington wants is a strategic defeat of russia. Well, russia is not going to go along with that and you know what in between time and in the middle is ukraine being grinded into dust . David . Yeah, so true. Um, you know, the, the dirty secret, i guess, or the secret that the western media refuses to admit is that, uh, you know, of course, russian being that ukraine. I do so after being provoked by, uh, buying the nato. But uh, putting this uh, these terms on the table since day 2 more, i can cover that in the National Interest. And uh, uh, my real wars of stack websites. And most recently, in september, im following the next ation of, uh for you probably know lost by the Russian Federation of russia essentially stated that it, it, it seemed all of its nearly all of its objectives. And the remaining objectives could be obtained through a piece that goes with the undergoes here, the steel and that offers the table since september. So russias really been the side, its been trying to end the war, and the world would have ended it for us yet. Its way back in march, march. 31st, of course has went out to the peace deal was signed between uh, russian ukraine which is great. And then ended up completely ranking on after it was pushed to do so by the, by the ministration. And then Prime Minister of the you k worst johnson. So that would save the lives of brassel 150000. 00 or more a radio. And so also the soldiers incidentally is, and i do agree with you with lucas, that you know, the pre counter offensive. It has been going very badly with ukraine suffering, the 71 casualties, and treaty one overall, moreland, russia during the war. So this war is gonna end introduce you to the settlement, the sooner we do into better russia, you know, and the key i think is to uh, conclude a free and style harvest disagreement in the work is the current one control. Yeah, well you know, i come across as im going to look and see or come across this with the korean analogy. Is it the problem with using it in this case here is that the major powers all agreed to the, to the arm assessed in, in, on the korean peninsula. I dont see, i dont, i dont see any reason world in the world by rush. It has to compromise on anything. We had the minutes process. Okay. We already know what the negotiating position of the west is. Is the lie, lucas . And thats correct. And the screen is for a violated. So the russians have no reason to trust the west at all. They have to win completely in this more and unfortunately thats gonna take more lights on the creating. And so, i mean, of course the russians are losing as well, but not as many people as the ukrainian side. And its just a tragedy to see this unfold. Because it is the west pushing to ukrainians into that me credit. They dont care about your grand. Ive said that since ive comments in the beginning, this war along, the guy said theyre just using his cannon fodder because they want to weaken russian with sanctions in this war. And everything is backfire. And peter, nothing has worked at his strength and brushes economy. Its a strength of the alliance with china and other countries, and to show the world that the western hedge monique is collapsing, nobody trust america anymore. Nobody trusts nato people. Question why didnt even have nato at this point. Its only causing problems and you know, people are saying that the premiums want to join nato. They dont even have to join at this point because its already that the west is acting as if theyre already part of nato. So there are hardy putting troops in the ground mercenaries from several countries, not just ukraine fighting rush at every one fighting russia. Yet again, im so glad lucas brought that up because defacto ukraine is already a member of nato. But without the article 5 guarantees, i mean that is, washington must be popping champagne bottles every day. So be paintings are willing to die, but we dont have to protect them. This is amazing. And the arms about producers are making tons of money. I mean, this is the, the best possible outcome because in the us as no obligation, other than to watch, you know, the ukraine grind itself into, into ashes. Its remarkable that theyve been able to get an elite and ukraine to go along with this. And even more remarkable, gentleman is that youre a goes, is being led by the nose by washington, by a guy that is comatose in the white house. Go ahead and geneva. Yeah. Yeah. Youre the babies that nobody cares about to credit him. Because i married can dont care about to create that need to doesnt get to that even quin yang because one that doesnt care about this one citizen because those events keys are ready to fight going to the last queen and so yeah, so nobody can spend duration they have no reason to care about good credit. Yes. Now, ready to fight against the last or go to reconstruct crime. Yeah. And doug boss, which russia does on reset or that doesnt reach that full good reasons, because the release of the russian speaking of the boss and also crimea primarily, was invited to 1014 back to the russian speaking people. And as the harsh, im from gun boss, really a tech to buy the or inquiring and go home at the cute. There were bald. 14000 people refuse in their last year. So the told you rush of the have to but that, thats also a reason why the russian him to be in the, in the, in the quick it was to protect the ethnic and russia speaking people the best. Dont forget it. And now, yes, later, later we probably need to this uh, the next the, during the next summit there were probably give a huge and even higher commitment to praying for fighting to do last my last the big g, but david mailed him a lot of things. I have no doubt about that, but david, but david, they will not keep the membership. David, go ahead. Yes, absolutely correct. You know, its, uh, its an open secret that youve created. Well, never joined data. I mean, certainly as a faculty member, but theres never been any chance for the crated joint data for many reasons of france and germany veto that long ago, back in 2008 until recently they helped the same position. Frances recently come around the other side of a turkey and hungry would also join germany and in between the membership at any point, even if the war was over. And it also is a requirement of nato membership that a country need to aspirin. Uh, never a whole lot have any territory dispute on every 4 groups occupying and spiritual worries. And that could only be achieved with the, by a pre, formerly seed in all, uh, territory interruption control to russia. So thats the only prospect the i agree with you that for a very technical legal point of view, but i, i, i dont put it past nato breaking its own rules, but your other reasoning is actually spot on. Gentlemen, im going to jump in here. We can always go to a hard break, and after that hard break, well continue our discussion on natos fate say without the the, [000 00 00;00] the, the welcome ex, across stock were all things are considered. Im peter in the mail to remind you, were discussing nato state the. Okay, lets go back to look is the, the thing thats making the headlines right now and i think its a intentional war. Mongering is the possibility of a false flag. Of course, the narrative is the russians for some reason will damage or bomb Nuclear Power plant in its own possession. I cant really understand the logic of it, and its never explained in the mainstream media. But when i hear talk of that, i understand a couple of things. Nato is losing. Im not going to say ukraine, because this is natos worn out. So nato is losing. Okay. And its getting desperate. I think youve probably heard of Lindsey Graham and Richard Blumenthal talking about is a Senate Resolution that if any kind of new killer action is happens at that plant, it would be a trigger. A article 5 we action by nato. Remarkably blumenthal said, this is, you know that this is not a move out of desperation or panic. Well then why did he will use the words desperation and panic . Ok. It shows to me that they are moving up the escalation latter. Your thoughts, lucas . Yes. Anyones going to do a false flag, its going to be nato and the ukrainians, or some other people doing it like north stream pipeline. You know, all these other things that i mentioned, this aspiration of their duty, given the bombing of the premier bridge. This is all, this is a sign of someone losing a war. The russians are not doing these kinds of things are not assassinating. People are not sabotaging anything. Like i mentioned the dan before. So if theres a false flag, its been a 100 percent p. Nato and its allies. You know, and thats obvious to everyone who understands how the script display. Thats always that way, you know, the United States or its allies and say, dont cross this red line and then suddenly its crossed by the people that theyre paying, whether it be the jihadists, interior or is another country. Its always the same setup and it works all the time. But people are starting to see that this is come on. This is, makes no sense of what with the russians do this. They wasnt just like they didnt bomb word stream to. Well, you d, i mean im glad that lucas brought it up because the scenario that we had with um, uh, the use of chemical alleged the use of a dirty bomb and syria. This is exactly the same thing that theyre trying to convince get. And its warmer and a new crane, theyre talking about it. I think its more of a ploy by the other zalinski regime to mobilize Public Opinion as a board goes on. And, and of course it is as a terrified the population in that country and further afield. I dont understand why, as im kind of Nuclear Reaction with within the wind blow and go east and not only to the west, that doesnt make any sense here. But these people have not been making sense for a very long time. Nato is, nato is very existence at stake right now. Its put all of its eggs in one basket. Yes, you know, we have to understand that each, this type of justice shop can oh, you know, and if you look, this seems to stop and go peaceful every 2 months. You have a big event doctor, such as a workshop, i found an old stream that cost all that and so on, you know, dont do product or shock into Public Opinions in the western countries. The fable for supporting the girls. So thats fine. But she been throwing status of the stucco or just the plan to follow up that can be used as such to create such a shot. You know the 2 pro hawk. Oh, the big dresser box. Oh, for the queen. Basically surely neutral question. Um, it is losing on the wrong, which is the case seems to be the name of discount or price you. So a, my view is not possible to do that. So by straight attack and just to follow up on this double jack, who can happen . Uh, due to this, we have to do to come see dr. Du, the narrative. Its very important called the rest of the course of the info tech from tech to do the as good as the direct to use this information role as a to be kept in the west that they need to supported by search chart events. Yeah, david, i mean, in my introduction i talked about how this has been turned into an existential war for both sides, but there was a craving choice on the part of nato. Its never been explained to western publics what the Strategic Value is of ukraine. It hadnt been during the cold war after the cold war and a certainly, as ive noticed, that asian value to go to europe and then, and when they throw in the usual in its usually they may use platitudes, as you know, its about democracy. Well. So then ski, cancel the election this, there is no political opposition. Parties dont exist, theres no freedom of speech um etc, etc. And but they still come in parole. This out is it is, it is a excess dental for the existence of democracy in the west. In general, i mean, this is this growing absurdity. David. Uh, yeah, i mean theres, uh, i mean its the whiskey put it in to the service that were just cutting democracy in ukraine because there is no democracy in ukraine. Uh, you know, zaleski is acted to us acetate in a prison. All political positional years is uh, you know, bought 11 different political parties. Uh, take it over all of our position, tv networks and, and have them broadcast. So you probably get a 247. So theres really no democracies all the work were doing there, and theres no other way your sales, strategic interest at all. Theres no National Interest at all for us to be involved in ukraine. And in fact, i would argue theres no a nationalist, theres no security interest for nato to be involved to migrate the emissions. Ukraine is kind of referral to, to nato. And its of worse generally. I mean, overall, its a board dispute between what rushing you pray over uh, swap the territory about the size of a baltic nation. So this is a war that has on only one ending russia overwhelmingly, a mattress over mattress. You prayed in terms of military power. Its, its gotten you call and you live inside of larger out 35 times more territory. It occupies nearly a 5th of ukraine and theres no few pre and get any any. But back it is 5 times more people. 5 times more takes our to her systems and combat aircraft. So we need to recognize that the level of this work, it was on the grid of the death and des