A journey to a World Without buddhas joins me now for me to. So i was a todd, thank so much for coming on. As i was saying, it was taught benjamin. He came on the show and i did try that. Hes testified in congress about immigration. He came to us, doesnt need that many more immigrants saw us off, but he suddenly said, look, you know, if its full, thats what, thats what those one less immigration theyre talking about. Its just the law and the fact we, the United States needs more or fewer immigrants is by the, by all these are the immigrants are coming and this is the biggest crisis. What do you think when i hear those, those sources sentiments and statements i, i really think to, you know, theres in the United States, theres pretty powerful forces that are far more broader fortification, more and very, and, you know, i guess the, the term they use anti immigrant, right, but the, the, or against the idea of the people crossing in the United States and those, those sorts of arguments. The argument that you just laid out is, is definitely say coming straight from that. Thats what i need. At least that goes when i, when i hear those sorts of already. So youd agree with them in saying that it is the was born of christ and you as well. And the crisis in us history just from a different perspective that though i hesitate to use the word crisis, the lower price is used quite a bit with a border. Its almost become a little bit cliche just to say the least, the way that the word crisis is use a slap in years. Oh, theres people just coming over the border and its a k i can add in. And uh, we have to put the this down. But if i were to argue it was a crisis my, the, the perspective that i would take would be of that, of looking at it from another angle. Its more of a crisis. You could say a militarization of crisis of the place that looks unrecognizable really from what it did 25 years ago or 30 years ago. If you were to follow the last 3 decades and how extensively the border is in florida by the militarized. And that, and really focusing on different cities and towns that are on the border and building up the walls and plenty of towers and putting up for ritual stations. And there are some places on the border where you see more of Border Patrol than you do local residents, right . And then the kind of consequences you see and the consequences are there are many consequences, but it could be 2 really important ones. One is the, the kind of strategy that at the these, the, the border, the militarization, the border house been deployed. The strategies been through whats called prevention through deterrence. And thats a go into this too long. But the whole idea simply is to florida by certain areas of the border with that where people to circumvent and go through places like the arizona desert and i live in arizona and every year and this year is no exception. People crossing the border guy because they cant carry not water or not food. And the other part of it is local residency goes out to local residents in arizona and uh, go to el paso, that is a barto at the new mexico go to that orlando california. And you will hear people complaining about Border Patrol, set points. Youll hear people talking about um home invasions, uh, people at the Border Patrol coming into their homes. Yeah. I want to, i want to get to it would take the hassle episode in south arizona. I know you were in arizona or in a moment and i wanna get to uh, some denials of that from the Us Administration from joe biden. And the from the administrators that i have to see is saying some going on the run quite a bit lately, given the 10s of billions of dollars of us public money is going to fund the weapons sent to ukraine. And were not giving Investment Advice here. But if anyone would you read your many books on the border . A tele there, a particular come companies, Defense Companies, arms companies, making masses of money out of this border in inverted commas. Border crisis, which companies are the ones the people should invest in, know which youre obviously making a lot of money out of this and what they say ill give me is echoed through mainstream media. Think tags, policy makers and academic institutions. Yeah, this is i think i could get some Investment Advice right here because of the border of industry as a growing industry has been a growing industry, particularly since 9 elevens, particularly since 2001. Um, i have great hop right reports looking at the Different Companies that have been that are the top product to years of, of the top contractors we should say that are getting but on the, on the Us Mexico Border particularly. But i wanna stress that these contractors are, you know, not only on this, on the Us Mexico Border, but around the world in different order areas. Both of them are our names that probably your viewers a little fine, familiar like Lockheed Martin as one of a very big contract working with a fixed wing aircraft to the us Border Patrol. You have northrop grumman, which is another big military contractor who this company has gotten contracts around biometrics or theyre developing a new biometric system known as parts. And thats the future when youre looking at that sort of thing. Youre looking at Iris Recognition based so recognition. So, you know, the sort of advanced database is that, you know, store peoples information. Uh, that sort of thing. And those are just 2 companies. Theres lots of Different Companies. Theres companies or Smaller Companies that theyll have, you know, obviously the, obviously they, they will say they abide by the 4th amendment of the us constitution. And all of them would say that im really trying to make things a safer to enforce u. S. Law. And the u. S. Customs and Border Protection says, guided by the highest ethical and moral principles in exhibiting the highest level of professional responsibility. C. P. Cbp. The costs of the board of protection for its employees drive every day to maintain the public trusted and still the confidence of the communities we serve and put checked. Thats what they say, thats a great public. Thats a great Public Relations line. Im sure less you know that thats um exactly what you would expect to hear from customs and Border Protection. You wouldnt expect them to talk about, you know, the different sorts of things that go on the part of the people dying coming across the border. But those that, of course thats, thats, thats the, the line that, that we often receive strictly for the causes of birth or traction. But i want to say that thats sort of why it goes way beyond that. Its in washington as well. I like you can see it in bed and terminology used around the border like Border Security. Border security is a term thats used a very often. Yeah, its a word that if you start to unpack it and see what it really means and see does, does this border florida vacation tremendous border part of the case and create security for peace . No, definitely have for people crossing the border. Subst insurance policy is about people being but its a more insecure or even more all situations. And definitely not necessarily secure for People Living along the border to who are complaining more and more of the increased Border Control lessons. So what is the word security . What is this Border Security . I think there were there questions that, that needs to be asked about how the sort of Public Relations line is. The sort of terminology that goes on question and unpacked, and then subsequently they need to then unpack that terminology. Lets see what this Border Security thing is. Lets see what kind of impacts it has that people look at the money like the, the knowledge of the money thats put into the bar is know. Like when i talked about this for years and years and years around the you guys that its amazing. How do people actually know the, the, the, the, the dramatic increases another budget split towards the board. Okay. Well, its not, its not a to trillion level that fast. Can this guns the, the warrant of tennis styles . Yeah. But i suppose what and perhaps staff can. This individual meant that some corporations thought this was a way of importing prophets back to the homeland after the defeat of the United States in afghanistan. But given immigrants disproportionately want to work, why would corporations be low being on case street against more immigrants . I mean, clearly the defense contract is have a interest in this border miss. I suppose you might put it up and use that to be able to profit tier by all this border infrastructure. But generally, surely corporations will be saying, we want more immigrants because they need desperately workers to fill all the vacant to the jobs in the United States. Yes, sir. Yeah. So yours, so you will find, well, i wouldnt handle lobbying like when a Homeland Security budget comes up. You will see all these contractors, theyll go in behind closed doors, there, lobby, you know, all the key people, the appropriations committees and that sort of thing. And you know, just see like if you look at the us tabor commerce or you look at other, you know, sectors where the interest, you know, youll, youll, youll see lobbying for more of the comprehensive integration reform that would include, you know, bringing in more people whos corporation, it depends on the Legal Immigration right now. Right . Us right raise. Yeah. So you read some of them might be what might go under if they went to the legal immigrate a that could very well happen on the state of alabama when it, without that law. Maybe it was 10 years ago. There was a sort of, you know, papers please law on which they were going to go after all on document. If you go in there in the state and know, and theres some really good reporting of what happened after every one west. Like lots of undocumented workers left the city of alabama and the sort of stayed at last, the adverb business, an adver industry in alabama during that time. I mean, is joe biden being was 25000000000. 00 give away a public funds to enforce the border as a, as they call it the largest the ever versus trump, whos still every i mean, if hes allowed to run a given the us authorities attacking your leading Opposition Leader in the United States. The will is biting worse than trump as regards the treatment of those seeking a better life and seeking asylum was. Is there any the, the budget for 2023 . It was actually 29000000000. 29000000000. If you look at customs and Border Protection and immigration and customs enforcement, which as the junk from approximately 25, just 16000000000. So 229000000000 was almost the amount thats from spent in his thoughtful though the increase during the full 4 years of the trumpet administration. So looking at budget slight you look at, right, right. But i like to as a journalist, i like to look at theres rhetoric and then theres no higher numbers and budgets it was really happening. And if you look at it, whats the value ministers in the budgets are increasing. Theyre not taping down. If theyre not sitting down, even with all the critique of the, the big wall, the trunk was building during his administration. Theyre not taking down that wall. Is that they, they, we, i, i work for on, i look on the border kind of a, we put out a piece, looking at how the buy in this section is actually quote unquote, filling in the gaps with a lot. In other words, continuing to the law, but not only that they, they, they, but they are looking at more putting more testing technology, Surveillance Technology on the border. And you can see that kind of increases a budget and this kind of creation of a virtual or technological border thats happening under biden. So its, its instead of the heavy rider at the, were going to stop people from crossing the border. That sort of thing that you got under some with, with this building of this law with bite and you have a lot less of that sort of rhetoric, anti immigrant. Right. Right. Much more. Theyre much more quiet about it. Theres much more of a humanitarian language in which its narrative, yet at the same time, the same exact border enforcement apparatus is in place. In fact, thats getting bolstered and they are in the same sort of impacts are happening on people crossing the border and People Living in the borderlands. So what is the difference, right . Well, dog miller, ill tell you. Well bidens, as in boy i do, ill stop you. Beth moore, from the co host of the board to chronicle bought gus and order a bill. Bridges not was after this break, the main body of the people. Marcus don paul is the same kid. Im due for an influence on out of this. And they have focused on the us are key because the us is a major normal force. But it also has played a Critical Role at different points in parks, on the street the the, by the administration in nature world are fascinating with soft power and rhetorical ships. Remember, ukraine will wind and ukraine is winning. Now we hear rush, it is loosing and even brushes last narrative. Manipulations do not change hard. We are the welcome back to going underground. Im still here with the co host of the board, a chronicle of pulse cost and order of build bridges. Not was a do i need to a World Without food is taught. Miller told us, saying i about one that the bible is a maybe worse and trump when it comes to the pain and misery of the immigration situation on your southern board is biting, said the in january of this year, i sent congress a comprehensive piece of legislation that was completely oval. What is being a broken immigration system for a long time cracking down on the Legal Immigration, strengthening, Legal Immigration, and then a slag off the g o. P for not helping him out on these big plans. I mean, thats what, thats what he says. And, you know, even says people come to america for a whole lot of reasons to seek new opportunity. And what is the strongest economy in the world . Cant blame them. One thing to do is they flee oppression. Theres. Theres a great job im running for 2024 is normally nation. Thats a primaries. Well thats good. Can pay something. Right. Thats what it sounds like to me. How do you square . So yeah, you dont, i mean, is you probably could go back and i have to go back to steve as ive seen in here, Hillary Clinton said the same thing once he was running a rock, obama saying, i mean, not exactly the same thing, but its very similar things like we are going to bolster Legal Immigration and, and cut down on their Legal Immigration and, you know, those, those sorts of really does the same thing that just spends are the same sort of sentences that spin around and in a circle. And they just keep being repeated and repeated as, as, as i get again, in the budgets just keep going and getting higher and higher and higher and, and, and uh, it, it helps abide and how, you know, considerably that trump was right beforehand. Because the kind of media scrutiny that hes going to get on the border is considerably less given that it scrutiny that trunk got. But nothing really fundamentally has changed except for. I do want to say one thing that differentiates, i buy it from a trunk and im in a fairly major way. Is the rhetoric and the way that the rhetoric hands on and flames of, you know, different sort of groups or different constituencies. And particularly, were on the Us Mexico Border. We have a problem with melissa groups that will go down and control the or on their own. So in other words, we can expect far right . Village is to increase. If trump is re elected the president and but loses arguably, but then given the did the media representations well if that corporate own and obviously they, they get their funds that perhaps through a network that involves some of these ministry companies. But given the connection then, between the sources of the immigration, as he said, as by and said, they fully oppression. And we know he was biden, was Vice President during the dimensions and hazy libya. So on the under obama. Do you think it should be priced in when they do the intervention . So, i mean, the media should say as a lead the was, should say, obviously there will be this extra cost given the immigrants that will then come from afghanistan, libya, iraq, syria, i mean, going back further, rather than 80, that is way led to el salvador, nicaragua, you name it. Oh they they. Oh man, its interesting to us. Look at how the media depicts people coming to the border and im talking mainly, you know, the Corporate Media its, its almost as if people come out of a complete back in like nothing has happened before that for them to arrive at the United States border. And um, and it just, they getting of, of just what you were mentioning, you know, that the, unless the intervention side of the United States has had military interventions throughout latin america, over centuries, military interventions. And i would argue economic ones as well. And the sort of at the nomic um neo liberal economic model that stand, strangle hold it or clamped upon places like water mol, on el salvador, in d