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All right, lets get into the m o. The believe it or not. The world is working on space laws. Modern ones because a basic blanket treaty was agreed upon back in the 19 sixties and with the advancement of both arms and technology and new space capable nations entering the scene. Washington is reading the alarms to slow it all down by saying russia is reading nukes for space. But just how true a statement is that exactly. To discuss it will bring in a man who is an expert in ballistic arms with the proper technological training in the development of them. A retired soviet naval officer. Now a writer analyst, an author, andre montana. Check out his latest book called losing military supremacy. The myopia of american strategic planning, you can see more of his musings on his blog at smooth b, x 12 dot blog spot, dot com. Andre, always a pleasure to speak with you. Thank you for joining the program. So so 1st up, reuters is citing anonymous sources, whom they say are from the us, you know, kind of applying persons within the intelligence apparatus that russians are developing, quote space based anti Satellite Nuclear weapons, which the kremlin, they deny and has said is an outright fabrication and that moscow has no intention of deploying Nuclear Weapons in space. Now straight away, whats your read on that situation . The same as it is usually my reaction to n your sol gold, intel offer washington the wish most of these publication. And were all, all the info on the rock in intel on everything else. This is also primarily internal purpose or some say that it is regarding the situation with those 61000000000. 00 in the ill legit Financial Aid to ukraine. But there is another version of this story which would be index fuse before. So basically that the. Busy declaration of the intentional, so we stablish contact with the russians immediately to discuss all this horrible thing youre still call are or excuse for basically negotiating where it is for the United States, off the workshop on the uh, ukraine in the last few years. And the whats your miles to a customer off if you all the combined west. So they need to somehow restore some kind of communications on the official level. I saw thats also one of the versions was based on them. So they get full, what are ways box or wesley a russian sauce and c o one, they say nobody wants to put the Nuclear Weapons in space. And the only thing that could grab on file is the fact that the rational already has a highly developed and bicycle liked it, but the which is, which hung around the base. This were talking about in this case about as 500 as 558235 new dog, 5 systems. That of course, uh, coming well the most of the comedy they are really continuing work on what them all. And so they, you clear 5 work space tab, which of course, you know, as any kind of space or just knowledge it could be construed as the views what the options are primarily designed is the new class space back for the traveling boards, mosse and all kinds all the deeper space exploration, so thats pretty much it. Weve recently heard congressman mike turner, the republican chair of the house intelligence committee, make some kind of cryptic remarks about these reports as quote, a Serious National Security threat. Further adding to, you know, b and verified speculation. So i guess my next question is 2 parts. First cant something that is anti satellite simply be a device well call it that could scramble or damage or, or just render useless. The targeted satellite without actually being an explosive and then how do we define the term threat given that these days we say words or violence, i mean anything the us doesnt like even a benign satellite in space could be deemed a threat. That for us. Yeah, us, there is, i mean, do you have an immediate issue . What doesnt mean you dont clear a space thats a lot for us there. You dont have to pass satellite to explore or explode. You grab your wife in space, which one of damage, not only they are but you know, we are a circle life of the enemy. Its good. Its your old set, the light and create a lot of uh, garbage space, bottom beach. No, were talking about the technology which exist is, is all, theyre both a washer and United States tablets and they call it ok. The instructor circle watch inspector, set the lights august, the lights which can maneuver the or bits they can approach as options of the was there a reason you so uh, do you whole several live in or do not. It stays this uh spectrum such a large down approach. The other set the lights. And if that will help you explode it, go service 3, for example, the frame specially designed paint or what the optical assumes. So those people go set the lights around the ring, them absolutely useless. No, no, no explosions on necessary in this particular case. What if it comes down to you . Those are step supply. Certainly a gym and probably do companies some kind of explorers by young dental force. They can attach themselves to their desired satellites and explode. Thats basically damaging or altogether evaluating the suck a light, which was a target. If this Technology Thousands as well, the russian and russia embodies based habits. So the only thing which could be nuclear there is there a power source which and some russians have been using that, or you put up our satellites since lunch and still havent is. So, you know, its nothing new in here in this regard to s bought from dollars just as i just said, that as you correctly speak about the threat. So anything which united state doesnt like, it declares threats. But elizabeth all this in terms of impacts. So to live paper villages, which are ground to base. Yeah, rochefort, thats a very serious age over United States on disrespect. So, but again, who knows what it is this all about, and washington, which is absolutely ungovernable right now in those courses as i would, i just say that if would be about this 60 want be on bowers, but there could be also some guidelines excuse for restoring some of the Show Contacts with the russians, then discuss this issue for half a day and the dictating the way to discussing, or how to extricate or do not the states with at least some more people of business a left that that could be a very serious issue for the United States. Okay. Gotcha. So very similar to Nuclear Power of submarines that are currently we should add in used by the us or dont forget the threat. That was the chinese spine balloon. Everything is the threat that is split plus doris, and again, are they are very manual. Lets keep in mind that most of their congress ill do not of space. You know, its basically the exception of the American Military industrial complex. Now, do you want me to go back to argue howards famous speech on january 5th, 1961. Actually the full name of the phenomenon phenomenon she was describing was not just the military industrial complex. It was a military industrial congressional complex. But as he is a granddaughter, shes on losing power said about there is on shes been use their full name of this phenomenon sort of phenomenon is screwed if congressional complex congressional term from the complex was because she had a couple of deals still in the congress and they needed to pass now, because if you knew that if you will use that as was originally called the seed military, industrial, congressional complex, some people in congress, my basically somebody gosh, these bills. And thats is there how to deal with. And many people make you know careers on the money by promoting all kind of the desire to use the breakdown to increase threats, m r. It, when you look at, thats what is actually what the issue, sol, fox, the orders if the logical achievement is in there of making absolutely and effective, extremely expensive robust, which field the pockets of both will probably hold them with a lot of cash. All right, lets entertain for a moment, then be the concept of nukes and space. As you alluded to earlier, if any hostile satellite, were carrying a Nuclear Warhead that, lets say, shoots down another satellite. The wave of Gamma Radiation would damage critical subsystems of that target. But it would also damage the systems of that said, aggressor, state satellites, their allies, even neutral countries. I mean, no, this would be indiscriminate damage when it was solid. Would certainly be any depending on the range of their already ation emptying or left from our kinetic boss. Which is essentially this impulse, which is the main wrap them in the case o, that the lady of the wise. Just give them a shot all over there, a near satellites, including your own. Its going to actually create a serious issue for the ground doing for us throughout sure, including your own to, you know, thats, that was the case. And nike a 62. I believe they tried this on and there was the funds to really serious situation with the greed in the heart. It from what i remember saw. Yeah, its not this precise rap on this last choice. Welcome on if you wish, you know. But yeah, its not practical. So, audrey, there is an outer space treaty from back in the cold war days during the great space race, resolution 1884. I believe that back then, the soviet union signed onto, along with the us the strictly prohibits the use of and the deployment of nukes, or w, m these into space. The u. N. G, a unanimously adopted this back in october of 1963 in response to these accusations, one report and said point blank that he stands by this agreement. Even so this was a soviet era agreement, not russias, is my understanding. And that he is vehemently opposed to anyone deploying weapons in the space, given americas track record of retractions and withdrawals from Numerous International treaties, such as j. C, po, way, the new start treaty. So many others. Show the cause for concern be that the you west might be the 1st to deploy a such arms and a band in this decades old treaty. Oh absolutely. It goes all the same. Uh, 3 just would do not. It states almost worth the paper they assigned on it and uh, United States is what this hold the uh, agreement from capable nation. Yeah. As of now, i mean, the nation there, were talking about the government. So yeah, United States thinks about itself as theyre, you know, lots of free of 80 find a home to gauge sions. And its absolutely possible that they want to, you know, put your clerk a rep on there, especially against the background or what is happening right now. With russian both and thats such a light uh the development and of course are actually expanding. So customization map only in terms of, you know, the satellites box. What comes through there, what this call sphere up roger, which dramatically increases that all the awesome set of live constellations. And obviously as in his, with the light, i mean, you can use or so its going to be to use and few matters. Think about how like to be in this position. So will they well, place that . Nope, in the space, most likely, especially considering the doorbell deal, rochelle, knowledge and desperation off of the cart and somebodys duration of goods of what this company of all around them. So yeah, show them somebody needs again, somebody needs to make a lot of money and a lot of money bulls to all those rates or owns vocab, you know, whole great, all those satellites or whatever they do, they will place in the orbit if they do it but im sure thats the problem i do. Its all happening. Oh, this is fairly high. All right, coming up next with be strong possibility that donald trump may return to power in washington. Could we see a new expansion of his fledgling and military arm now called space for us . Well discuss it when we return with Andre Martine off sit tight. The m o will be right back. The the russian states never as tight as im one of the most on screen and the best. Most all sense and up the in the 65 with disabilities 195 and speed. The one else calls question about this, even though we will then in the european union, the kremlin move the machine, the state on the rushes to day and split the ortiz full neck. Even our video agency, roughly all the band on youtube, the tv service was for the question, did you even closer to the on march the 22nd 1943. During the great pantry, ill take the shirts and munch fatality and 118, run down the belly, mercy, and for that you have caught seeing to her i just jump on the wish in the fitness center. Yes. Because a lot of changes to this one, most of the rooms to pony you to you. 149. 00 people died including 75. 00 children of age was practically wiped off the face of the law. New blue loves are a little bit live arching could have. Charlie was more noisy and will you put it as follows . Oh, shoot. Was really i really usually its own you feeling . Yes. So the infamous battalion responsible for the actual city included over 100 Ukrainian National is from west and you, right . So you have a 2000 resist, clifton, with some simple guys as the new e phone the so long as you guys for assume your up. Assume im with them. You as customers, the declassified criminal cases from the central archive of the k g, b, a better rules shed light on the atrocity. And on so numerous questions that have remained an onset for many years. Watch on oxy, the welcome back to the m o i manila chad. Retired engineer Andre Marciano is back with us. Thanks for sticking around andre. So donald trump, he was not right for launching space for us. But the Star Wars Program actually existed during the Ronald Reagan years. And after the fall of the soviet union, that program went dormant. Now that space force is an official official Actual Branch of the us military. Is there a cause for concern . That space will also become militarized. Yeah, it will be in the country. It will become militarized. United states going to drive it, and theyre going to drive it based on the facts that are, as i already did, state that they owe. You can call me on damn the United States as low as the arms race, especially in terms of the Ground Forces and insurance of their space. Oh, my gosh, its a very interesting question. Dont forget that. Are you from off for russia . International space station will exist because russians this what are some and, or of course, and thats what were supporting it. So, and they definitely understand that there are some serious technologists and development, both in russia and china. So, you know what the United States will decide to militarize space one way or a not thinking that they can look our, you know, youre probably people thinking behind it. But again, do not forget it. Its all about making money. The whole, when i say why they lost the arms race, does this walk only because of the interviewer to you old be there are a capability engineer already capability of the United States declined per se because me in the last 30 years. But it is also m primarily so because then im not interested in creating their factor 5 months. They need expensive weapons to make money. Yeah. When you is the effective weapon, then its very many and effective weapons and thats how you make money. Yes. Or volume of weapons, not necessarily precision, or the effectiveness is the key to profit quantity. Now, quality, as they say, i know, speaking of quality last year, you and i, we discussed precision arms like the control missile and russian next gen ballistics are the us and d, o d, simply trying to play catch up with russia in this technological arena. Or they will appear off in a thing in terms of such systems as 3 m. 20 pals that are gone, which has both landed back on about it. That shipping news in terms of control. I also dont of do not say anything comparable because there was this program which was closed because it was bad around successful. And then well have the situation was whatever the name of with dark you go down that shuttle. Im already lost in both terms, which was supposed to be online last year. Yeah, yes. We are. Its final golf course and were talking about this. What prompt call that super duper mr. File. Why they were trying to do this. They deployed, you one, theyre basically walk off essentially, all of this thing in char money are, and this is they still get off the launch. It become a properly a really fast it because they want to come off with the school, the glide, the body, so high performing the body. But you know what, uh, who knows, maybe even in this year they will not be able to place anything up there. And they still can, i wont have any type of the where possible, which are compatible. Those are called also can show which is scared. Now look only by me, its 30 ones k, but its also carried by issue 30 flaws, which makes it absolutely horrifying weapons because you cannot, you will track all of those. So therefore deformed that they knew that when they looked at the satellite images, they knew there are basically there are no signal intelligence or all we will have like apple is so new. 31 case in the air definitely is what they probably cant are getting shot and they need it picked out. Uh ukraine about it. Yes. A lot. Now when you have those congress, so 1st you 34th and prep practically. Well, i dont know how many, but the large percentage of them can carry the same, can show up, go figure out what is taking off and what is going to be using. So there you go. And