Scene. Washington is randy alarms to slow it all down by saying russia is ready nukes for space. But just how true a statement is that exactly. To discuss it will bring in a man who is an expert in ballistic arms with the proper technological training in the development of them. A retired soviet naval officer. Now a writer analyst, an author, andre montana. Check out his latest book called losing military supremacy. The myopia of american strategic planning, you can see more of his musings on his blog at smooth b, x 12 dot blog spot, dot com. Andre, always a pleasure to speak with you. Thank you for joining the program. So 1st up, reuters is citing anonymous sources, whom they say are from the us, you know, kind of implying persons within the intelligence apparatus that russians are developing, quote space based anti Satellite Nuclear weapons, which the kremlin, they deny and has said is an outright fabrication and that moscow has no intention of deploying Nuclear Weapons in space. Now straight away, whats your read on that situation . The same as it is usually my reaction to n, your soul gold in fell off for washington, which mostly is publication. And will all the info on the rock in intel on everything else. So he is also primarily internal purposes. Some say that it is regarding the situation with those 61000000000. 00 in there. Ill legit Financial Aid to ukraine. But there is another version of this story which would be index fuse before. So basically that the. Busy declaration of the intentional, so established contact with the russians immediately to discuss all this horrible thing youre still call are or excuse for basically negotiating where it is and for the United States, off the workshop on the uh, ukraine in the last few years. And the whats your miles to a customer off if you all the combined west, so they need some call or the store some kind of communications on the official level. So thats also one of the versions of these programs. So ill take it for whatever way the xbox, obviously a russian sauce and see when they say nobody wants to put the Nuclear Weapons in space. And the only thing that could grab on file is the fact that the rational radius has a highly develop the bicycle like it, but the which is, which are ground to base this, what were talking about in this case, about s 500, s 558235 new dog, 5 systems that of course, uh, coming well the most of the company, they are really continuing work on what amounts to they. Usually a 5 work space tab, which of course, you know as any kind of space or just knowledge it could be construed as the views. What promotions primarily designed is the new class space back for the traveling boards, mosse and all kinds. All the deeper space exploration, so thats pretty much it. Weve recently heard congressman mike turner, the republican chair of the house intelligence committee, make some kind of cryptic remarks about these reports as quote, a Serious National Security threat. Further adding to, you know, b and verified speculation. So i guess my next question is 2 parts. First cant something that is anti satellite simply be a device will call it that could scramble or damage or, or just render useless. The targeted satellite without actually being an explosive and then how do we define the term threat given that these days we say words or violence, i mean anything the us doesnt like even a benign satellite in space could be deemed a threat. That for us. Yeah, us, oh there is, i mean, do you have an immediate issue . What does it mean . Your clever face circle light. First there you dont have to have set the light to explore, explode, you grab your wife in space, which one of damage, not only they are, but you know, we are a circle lives over the enemy. It could be something she oh, set the light and create a lot of garbage space garbage. No, were talking about there, but the technology which exist is, is all, theyre both a washer and United States tablets and they call it ops of instep and several lights inspector. Set the lights august, the lights which can maneuver the or bits they can approach as options of the with them. A reason you so uh, do you whole cycle life . It will do not. It stays this uh, its stuck in a circle. Large can approach the other set, the lights, and it doesnt help. Theres no, it does. It is 3, for example of the brain specially designed paint or would the optical assumes so to speak of those set of lights, rendering them absolutely useless. No, no, no explosion. So necessary in this particular case, what if it comes down to you . Those are step as a glass sharpening of gym and probably a do come thing, some kind of explosives, why dental force they can attach themselves to their desired satellites and explode. Thats basically damaging or altogether evaluating the suck a light, which was a target. If this technology does exist well, direction and russia engine that the space habits. So the only thing which could be new, clear there is there a power source which and some russians have been using there are you put up our satellites since 19 savage is. So, you know, its nothing you share in this regard to s bought from dollars just as i just said, that as you correctly speak about the threat. So anything which united state doesnt like, it declares threats. But elizabeth all this in terms of impacts. So to live paper villages, which are ground to base. Yeah, rush for just a very serious age over United States on disrespect. So, but again, home, most of what it is this all about and washington, which is absolutely ungovernable right now in those courses as i would, i just say that it would be about this 61. 00. But there would be also some guidelines excuse for restoring some of the Show Contacts with the russians. Then discard this issue for half a day and the getting the way to discussing or how to extricate or do not have states with at least some more people of business to allow that. That could be a very serious issue for the United States. Okay, gotcha. So very similar to Nuclear Power of submarines that are currently we should add in use by the us or dont forget the threat. That was the chinese spine balloon. Everything is the threat, right . Its preposterous and again are they are very many. Lets keep in mind that most of their congress all do not have space. You know, its basically the exception of the American Military industrial complex. And you want to go back to argue howards famous speech. On january 5th, 1961, actually the full name of the phenomenon phenomenon she was describing was more just military industrial complex. It was a military industrial, congressional complex. But as he is a granddaughter, shes on those in power said about there is on shes been use their full name of this phenomenon sort of phenomenon. Yeah. Is screwed if congressional complex congressional term from the complex was because we had a couple of deals still in the congress and they needed to pass. Now, because you knew that if you will use that as it was originally, concepts, military, industrial, congressional complex, some people in congress, my, basically somebody passed these bills and thats is there how to deal with. And many people make, you know careers on the lot of money by promoting all kind of the desire to use the breakdown. So the old crease threats m r. When you look at that sort of extra, to what date it should show fox the orders, if no logical achievement is in there of making absolutely effective, extremely expensive robust, which field the pockets of both will promote them with a lot of cash. All right, lets entertain for a moment, then be the concept of nukes and space. As you alluded to earlier, if any hostile satellite, were carrying a Nuclear Warhead that, lets say, shoots down another satellite. The wave of Gamma Radiation would damage critical subsystems of that target. But it would also damage the systems of that said, aggressor, state satellites, their allies, even neutral countries. I mean, no, this would be indiscriminate damage when it was solid. Would certainly be any, depending on the range of there are already have some emptying order from our kinetic boss, which is essentially this impulse which is the main rap on your case. Oh, the amazing all the wires, just give them a shot all over there. A near satellites including your own, its going to actually create a serious issue for the ground to impress the rapture, including your own to, you know, thats, that was the case. And that you 62, i believe they tried this on and the funds to really serious situation with the greed in the heart from what i remember. So yeah, its not this precise wrap on this last choice. Welcome on if you wish, you know. But yeah, its not practical. So, audrey, there is an outer space treaty from back in the cold war days during the great space race, resolution 1884. I believe that back then, the soviet union signed onto, along with the us the strictly prohibits the use of and the deployment of nukes, or w, m these into space. The u. N. G, a unanimously adopted this back in october of 1963. In response to these accusations, one were put and said point blank that he stands by this agreement, even so this was a soviet era agreement, not russias, is my understanding. And that he is vehemently opposed to anyone deploy weapons in the space, given americas track record of retractions and withdrawals from Numerous International treaties, such as j. C, po, way, the new start treaty. So many others show the cause for concern. Be that the you, wes, might be the 1st to deploy such arms and a band in this decades old treaty. Oh absolutely. It goes all the same. Uh, 3 just would do not. It states almost worth the paper they assigned on it and uh, United States is what this whole the agreements and capable of nation. Yeah. As of now, i mean, the nation there, were talking about the government. So yeah, United States thinks about itself as theyre, you know, lots of free of 80, find a home to geishas. And its absolutely possible that they want to, you know, put new clarity, a rep on their, especially against the background or what is happening right now with russian bulls. And thats such a light uh, the development and of course are actually expanding. So customization map only in terms of the unit or a centralized box, what comes through their, what this call sphere up roger, which dramatically increases that are awesome. Such a live constellation and obviously as in his, with the light, i mean you can use or so it can be to use and few matters. Think about how like to be in this position. So will they well plays bad . Nope. In the space, most likely, especially like im sitting there, the russian knowledge and desperation, all for the calling from ministration of words of what this company of all around them. So yeah, sure. Then somebody needs, again, somebody needs to make a lot of money and a lot of money was to all those rates or owns what have you. Then ill hold great all those satellites or whatever they do, they will place in the orbit if they do it. But im sure that the problem i do, its all happening or this is fairly high. All right, coming up next with be strong possibility that donald trump may return the power in washington. Could we see a new expansion of his fledgling and military arm now called space for us . Well discuss it when we return with andre marty and ill sit tight. The m o will be right back. The the garage of business in the system must do. I just keep them in the system with key at the washington state. The bruce guy says to phone us, send 2 professional men video to you for the list of over the age, but they use the on march the 22nd 1943 during the great petri, ill take the shots and bunch of fatality and 118. 00 fun down the belly mercy. And for the age of cartoons roger ship us, the person who funded the new wish to be loaded in the fitness center. Yes. So the most of the rooms to pony it to you. 149 people died, including 75 children of age was practically wiped off the face of the long new blue loves the live arching kind of charlie blocker, you know, in june. Well use porter. 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Some of the risk interested is, you know, this is sort of what youre selling, youre successful. Who wants to build some of the treasures to go and i still dont know if im forward to for so much. Would you mind giving me the the welcome back to the m o. Im manila chance. Retired engineer Andre Marciano off is back with us. Thanks for sticking around andre. So donald trump, he was mocked right for launching space for us. But the Star Wars Program actually existed during the Ronald Reagan years. And after the fall of the soviet union, that program went dormant. Now that space force is an official official Actual Branch of the us military. Is there a cause for concern that space will also become militarized . Yeah, it will be in the country, it will become militarized. United states going to drive it and theyre going to drive it based on the facts that are as i read this is that they, you can call me on damn the United States low as the arms race, especially in terms of the Ground Forces and our insurance of their space. Oh my gosh, its a very interesting question. Dont forget that are youve not for russia, International Space station will exist because russians this where a russian and, or of course and of course supporting it. So, and they the definitely understand that there are some serious technologists and development, both in russia and china. So, you know what the United States will decide to militarize space one way, or theyre not thinking that they can look our, you know, youre probably people thinking behind it. But again, do not forget it. Its all about making money. The whole, when i say why they lost the arms race, is actually up only because of the interviewer to you will be there are a capability engineering capability of the United States declined per se because spring in the last 30 years. But it is also em primarily. So because that im not interested in creating their factor 5 months, they need expensive weapons to make money. Yeah. When you use or factor weapon, really, its very many and effective weapons and thats how you make money. Yes. Or volume of weapons, not necessarily precision, or the effectiveness is the key to profit quantity, not quality, as they say, no. Speaking of quality, last year, you and i, we discussed precision arms like the control missile and russian next gen ballistics are the us and d, o. D, simply trying to play catch up with russia in this technological arena. Or they will get off in a thing in terms of such systems as 3 and one it was that a con, which has both learned that back them about it. That shipping news in terms of control. Well, i also dont of do not see anything comparable because there was this program which was closed because it was background successful. And then we have the situation was whatever the name of with dark you go down that shuttle. Im already lost in both terms, which was supposed to be in line last year. Yeah, yes. War, its for, you know, the floors and were talking about this. What prompt call that super duper miss sile why they were trying to do this. They deployed you one, theyre basically a walk oper centrally of this thing in char money. And this is they still get off the lawn trip to come up properly, really fast it because they want to come up with the what thats called the black body. So hyper phone is body, but you know what, uh, who knows, maybe even in this year they will not be able to place anything on there. And they still can, i wont have any type of the weapons which are compatible. Those are called also can show which is scared now look only by me 30 ones k, but its also carried by issue 30 flaws, which makes it absolutely horrifying weapons because you cannot even rack is those. So therefore deformed that they knew that when they looked at the satellite images, they knew there are basically there are no signal intelligence or oh, look out like couple is so new. 31 case and the air definitely is what they probably care again job. And they need it, picked out a ukraine about it. Yes. A lot. Now when youre kind of those hungry, so 1st you 34th and bread broccoli. Well, i dont know how many, but the large percentage of them can carry the same, can show, go figure out what is taking over and what is going to be using. So there you go, and then of course you have the to you a 22 m 3 m capable of carrying this and to let you know what type of a saw the us form us. Do you want us to started your forms . So if you, yeah its, um, its a lost cause do more for yeah. People sometimes do more problem this fair United States didnt go through this stage phrase of developing sort of funny girls me files the them and by shipping or be the whatever. The 5, Something Like russian k h o x 32 or s 22. They simply never developed it, they tried, it was worth of gold or what . So you know, with the weight in gold and they just the bag on there. So most of them decides, for example, which are that shipping. They are some sort of pre size to retire soviet naval officer, now writer analyst and author andre marty, and all. Thank you so much. And guys, be sure to check out his new book called losing military suprema