You could have an interior access but the one that your creating everywhere has to a have an exterior access. Commissioner johnson. Thank you very much i appreciate commissioner antoninis attempt at a motion i agree with the sentiments of the activation along valencia street, however, i bore designing in the Commission Meeting and making that requirement is a step towards that thats my stance on how i view the commission i do agriculture with the sentimental law along valencia street one of the things i said was i like this use because it brings a different perspective to the meaning of activation most people think of activation youre going into a to make a long story short into a retail and people think of things that are not retailers are commercial establishment and not park as not active i think that a medical use can be active but the designs here the design changes rather get part of the way but not most of the way to me the real bar the retail space and the waiting room space is are in the same corner so those alone most of storefront on valencia yes, it is maybe you guys tried to make that visible interesting i appreciate but to me, you see people sitting and Walking Around coming in and out of the door and have to be retail but has to have a Human Element but it is missing from the storefront on valencia i was hoping more for a reconfiguring adding a retail space making that independent weve talked about the additional infrastructure and whatnot for the independent business person will not are part of the medical use but i got to see much more people wise frankly along valencia street not concerned about 20th street but the valencia corridor with one we spend time energy im hoping reconfiguration of the medical use space not necessarily added new views to create the activation. Commissioner johncks i leaned over to commissioner antonini and said ill second with the retail space, however, i hear this is noticing not going to work. Commissioner moore. Were up against the size constraint i believe the requirements theyre putting forward are reasonable but the requirements for commercial including adding a second space requires the second back of a house so i have to assume it the space because of their space is urban suitable for that the desired mix were responsible for partially we were heavy criticized for years of bringing more retail activity now thats working we have a great great deal responsibility and port that activation as we move of valencia street is still our responsibility for that reason they dont seem to come up with another place i make a motion not to approve. Second. Excuse me. Commissioners maybe the secretary was about to say something. If youre going to make a motion to disagree we should allow staff a motion to continue and i was looking any by line i was not properly saying it thank you for that reminder and that motion. Commissioner antonini and id like to make a motion to continue what was what commissioner hillis came up with that he give the project sponsor one more opportunity to not have to do it five minutes on the floor but come up with something that satisfies the commissioners and make our project approveable and allow commissioner hillis to take part in the vote. Do i hear a second and second. Is there a particular date to continue. How long project sponsor do you think you need to come up with a month . Just the 23rd. Commissioner hillis is not back hes gone. They dont want more time. Commission for the record. Im sorry commissioners the motions youre asking us to come back in a month to put another effort into a different solution set. Or longer so we wont have a full commission for a month. I think went up appreciate the commissions flexibility and attempt to make that work were at a place we have put our best foot forward and you want to withdraw. We wanted to look for a conclusion today. I withdraw my second. Okay. So weve withdrawn the second for a continuance there was a motion to intent to disparagraph. Theyre basically saying they cant say do it and really . Youre so close come on this is like car max. I mean if i if i may i think retail and the in and out and pedestrians but i think there is such an important factor to have to service and the commission youve gotten over some of the biggest hurdle i think what theyre trying to is the commercial even art wall and not intooerg is a exam room is a compromise solution it seems a shame a to walk away. We can provide more visual interests im hearing from you, you want retail space i mean thats what im hearing and we provide health care we know the configuration that we need to make that work for our patients and our caregivers and taking out that space totally changes the workflow of the area weve already accommodated one less examine room that was in there, weve you know crunched down the waiting space we feel weve made our best effort to make that work the way you want it i dont think the reason were being hardball weve actually look at this design from so many different was and we dont see where we can come up with a retail space in the north. Commissioner richards. When we talked about yesterday you got the right neighborhood but in the wrong location theyve existing vacancies i hope youll stay in the neighborhood and find the appropriate space and hope to see you back here really soon. Commissioner johnson. Since it looks like were coming to a vote im disappointed in the way that things are going pushing for retail space but i would have been happy with being more o seeing more activation along valencia and to reconfigure without carving out space moving the retail from one end of the building to another would have been helpful i understand you guys are spending time and money and if youre not willing to do more hopefully, youll find another place as commissioner antonini. I would feel like this would be appropriate but dont feel there is 4 of me we wouldnt need the other retail but as much quadriplegicsactivation rather than seeing the movement in the corridor and we definitely time to do this project and be as thrilled as what were planning can you gives guidance of what youll accept in that space if not retail we could try and make that look more vibrant i thought it was vibrant people moving it is work and art, its know going to look as vibrant as a storefront or a yogurt shop empty if i can give us guidance that meets our approval. Ill defer to commissioner johnson and yes. You can express what you think. I know shes first and you want to shoot an idea and before and after. Yeah. I think there might be two things i can only speak from my prospective if youre willing to reconsider the reconversion of our current pace separating out the retail is not separate or the theyre using our bathroom and moving that interest valencia south along developing and configuring our Medical Center people coming in and out and moving the retail from one end of the building from valencia if youre willing to reconfigure well need to see for specific outlet around the zone how interactive to make us feel there is more activation i live in mission bay so i personally am familiar with those large storefront areas some of blank walls ill tell you it could be a detriment to the neighborhood not that every doorway a has to be a restaurant but make people feel like theyre part of the street im itch more flexible that didnt have to be a store to go and spend money there are other options not enough specific outlet for me to support it today. Commissioner moore. I think the existing building is already nights in itself to given the if a facade is not set up for in this largescale use it is set up for the awnings and signs, etc. , etc. But to ask to animate in itself has serious limitation we cant say anything to make this space work for them they have technical requirements and turning ada requirements needs for a width feel a corridor so i think were trying to make something happen that is almost impossible and id like them to a try but not expect they can ive tried and theyve met their own wrong word limitations but the limbs for the space were not designing a building but working with an existing specific building that is set up for another use were trying to squeeze go it there is 0 nothing to be said by call the question and ill ask you a question donna you dont think that win the retail will move it away from the front door adding a atm im not crazy about atms but some poster projection into the wall. I believe personally in the requirement they interesting have for privacy is in contradiction atheism tried their best but just not working the building is not set up for that. Commissioner johnson and sorry. Director ram. Im been struggling with a solution that might work for everyone sounds like the commission is comfortable with the uses and the overall size of the use thats in front of you im wondering if theres a solution that takes the last bay called the medical zone and give it a different Architectural Expression on the street to make it looking at look like a frontage it is visual just to give it a separate awning or things that you have the continuous planter is somewhat problematic and if theres a way to design it not an independent storefront without with or without commissioner johnsons recommendation that is retail space be moved ideally having the retail space but give it a different look. In color and surface. Theyre nodding not an awning but do something thats quits dwindles active from the rest of the street front. Thank you director ram staff were drawing mraerlz some sort of exterior treatment i think this is an interesting idea but again, i think on the exterior of the building is where wearing what were talking about. Commissioner antonini year and a half think there is a flower stop called the bud stop on union and steiner no debt at all just a couple of feet telling me they have flowers and theres an awning that guess popular and it would take very little space to putdown Something Like that p there it could be fairly long and not interfere with the activities that is something that allows our uses and mask the uses from the the outside some service maybe coming out of that youre only talking about two to three feet. Youre thinking about exactly the solution im thinking about. Commissioner richards. I love that idea. laughter commissioner wu. What do you guys think about flowers. Its not enough just working the as far as the 1, 2, 3 feet of the front facade not truly meeting the original intent director ram the footage and the u size in alternate world id like to see 3 retail fronts i put blame on the commercial Real Estate Brokers whoever they were there was tension when passed in 2009. Commissioner antonini and yeah. I think we talk about the bud stop it could be i dont know what is behind it that maybe a realtor ive not thought about it you look at only buying the flowers it is an area you should see it anywhere near valentines day people talk flowers at the it is busy a use like that that stretches further along the sfront is a good retail use and not a lot of debt i hope we continue this discussion i mean, ill not support this but try again to continue this. Commissioner moore that is access to water and the built to shutter the thing at night is in contradiction of what building behind it is trying to do the front of the building is high and the ceiling heights would have to go the physical length of the height of the facade and tie into a glass facade so im hesitant to let the idea of animation of the run away train examine it. Director ram. Commissioners that i might make a suggestion because the motion to deny would active have to be an intent come back to the commission for a final vote it seems to me one of the things to do have two potential actions happy youll take the final motion and 38 they can come back to see the technical issues and the design issues could be revolved roved one it intent to disprove and one to approve. We need to ask them if it is acceptable. Thats an option it has to colorado come back to you anyway. So well come back to the commission to be determined day. Yeah. Come back to the commission for a final vote anyway, if they deny it so it will come back for a final denial or a revised front situation. Yeah. Something well have to do well accept that. So whats our date. Two weeks out is july 16th with the joint hearing with the replying Commission Commissioner hillis will be out. He wont be back until august 6th but it is extremely full. July 16 is the proposed continuance. All right. Commission there is a motion and a second thats been seconded for an intent to disapprove and continue this matter to july 16th theres the option of them proposing on amended project at this point. Yeah. I think the motion would be if the maker of motion the motion is a motion of intent to deny and for staff to bring back an alternative motion of approval if the project sponsor submits plans for the exterior modifications along the line by the commissioner antonini and commissioner johnson and others. Is that amenable. Two motions otherwise a motion to deny. Sure. On that motion commissioner antonini commissioner hillis excuse me. Commissioner johnson. Commissioner moore commissioner richards commissioner wu commissioner president fong so moved, commissioner, that motion passes unanimously 6 to zero commissioners that will place us on item 12 for case no. California street this is a question for conditional use authorization. Commissioner. Id like to introduce you to another new planner youve not met yet excuse me. One minute folks have the conversation out in the hall please. Excuse me. Susan sorry could we take the conversation out in the hall sorry. I wanted to introduce you to another new planner is joined the department as a planner one on Small Projects she began as a interim and worked on the storefront she has a batch in architecture from the university of illinois and holds a master from the school of the arts in chicago we welcome her. Thank you good afternoon commissioner president fong and members the Commission ImPlanning Department staff case before you is a request for qualifying inform allow the standards 5 and dime a hardware and general store to expand over 5 thousand dollars 894 feet california street south side between spruce and local streets and in the Lower VillageShopping Center within the Shopping Center district it was previously occupied i a formula retail store the project is considered a formula retail due to the formula ace hardware for the purposing rates, however standard 5 and dime is a Family Business operating on california street since its construction in 1950 with the regards to kwufrgs the Planning Commission is required to consider the following criteria with the finding the exit concentration of formula retail use the availability of other similar retail use, the capability compatibility of the argument standards and the exist vacancy rate and the neighborhood serving retail uses within the lower Shopping Center 13 other retail uses Charles Schwab and petes coffee wells fargo are union bank noahs bag he lives starbucks and First Republic bank and others in addition the space has been vacant there are approximately 3 other vacancies within a quarter of the radius of the project site it is comparable with the authentic character of the surrounding neighborhood it is limited to minor taergz for the storefront the existing dry side along the footage the two storefront strangers are being retained as part of the project to do i date the department has received lowers of support from the lower heights and the Lower Village association as well a petition of approximately 4 hundred Signatures Department not aware of any opposition to this project the department has found the project to be necessary and desirable the project is the original store dedicated to the retail sales and attracts the viability of the Shopping Center the project will fill a vacant by a closure of another retail use not increasing the formula retail within the Shopping Center this is appropriate for the Shopping Center appropriate with the sizes along the Lower Villages and maintains the preference of the two existing entrances along california street the Department Recommends you approve the with recommendation that concludes my presentation. Im available to answer any questions. Thank you. Project sponsor please. Good afternoon mark reuben, junius rose thank you north america lastly for a great presentation he have a few things to add 5 and dime has been in San Francisco since the thirty and law school heights since the 40 theres been a lot of talk and this commission has had presentations about legacy businesses and maintaining legacy businesses in San Francisco and this is exactly the kind of business that we should be allowing a slight expansion jeff took overrunning the business from his father who started the business as a starting started working in San Francisco as a collect took over the business in sunset or robbed and made their way to Laurel Heights what exactly is going to be taking place in the new space the store itself is like a lot of hardware and Variety Stores they have a lot of stuff and materials for people to buy and quite frankly sometimes stores like that get accredited the new says that a called stan kitchen featuring only home wear as was said it has a separate storefront enter from the street basically, all the project sponsor is going to be doing knocking a hole in the wall so that customers can get from one storefront to the other the project sponsor jeff is here and were available for any questions thank you very much. Okay any Public Comment on this item . Okay. Not seeing none, any Public Comment is closed. Commissioner richards and completely agree with project sponsor this is