Kim pijoda and denise choi and from swords to plowshares leon winston, tina dirienzo, and maisha gardiner, from l. M. S. Architects, greg novikoff and from nivi brothers bob nivi and aksel boren. Chair m. Mondejar welcome, everyone. And that concludes the staff presentation. Im happy to answer any questions you may have about this project. Thank you very much. Chair m. Mondejar before questions, do we have any speaker cards . Yes, madam chair. I have three speaker cards. Derek sanders . Good afternoon o. C. I. I. This is new to me. So bear with me. Chair m. Mondejar good afternoon. Im derek sanders. Im an employee of swords for plowshares but first, im a homeless veteran. So with the help of swords to plowshares and the commission, so to speak of no vet left behind by ed lee, thank you. Thank you. This is all new to me. I just appreciate the fact that im here, speaking for the organization i work for and the veterans of San Francisco. Its a hard life to get here but i made it. So, i dont know what else to say besides the fact that we need the housing for the veterans here in San Francisco. Whatever you can do to pass this bill, this 20 million, o my god, thats a lot of money, but it helps. It really does help. You know, im not one to follow format so forgive me, but im doing the best i can to let you know that we veterans need every bit of the incentive that is coming in. Im derek, and im a proud member of swords plowshares and a veteran. Thank you. Thank you for your service. [applause] samuel bibbins. Good afternoon, folks. My name is samuel bibbins, a long time resident of San Francisco, since 1964. And i worked in the city for a good number of years and then eventually due to circumstances and also an injury, i had to retire early. I lived in the city for a number of years afterwards and then i decided to move back to louisiana in about 2005. And thats my home. I was born and raised there. And then, of course, unfortunately for me, 2005 katrina came and wiped the city and area out that i was going to move to so i boogieed on back to San Francisco, which i wanted to come back and live. I came back as homeless. I applied for housing through swords for plowshares. I was three years homeless waiting to get a place to live. I sort of couch surfed and went back and forth to different locations in the country to live with my family and in 2005 i was called to get a place in the presidio. I never wanted to leave San Francisco. If theres called being in love with the city im in love with the city but the city has changed so much over the last number of years because of gentrification and all the other things that have come about, its almost impossible now for someone who doesnt have sufficient funds to be able to survive. Thank organizations like swords who made it possible for people like me to still live in the city they love and still have quality of life and circumstance that gives us dignity and a right to be here. So i am hoping that you will approve this project because not only for just the Homeless People but the lowrent people who still, i think once our Community Goes only a place for the wealthy its no longer considered a city but a playground for the rich. I want to thank swords and the city of San Francisco trying to maintain in spite of all the circumstances. So thank you for allowing me to share. Chair m. Mondejar thank you. [applause] ace washington. Im here, first of all, supporting the program. So lets get that out of the way above everything so people wont say ace what are you here speaking about. Im supporting. Particularly, the last two speakers, which i share some of their happen to be black like they are. I happen to be homeless like they are. I happen to be run parallel experiences with this agency like they did, but way back, way back, 2030 years. And i can truly say, and i will keep saying so you dont say ace, stay on track. Im supporting that. Im also here, i dont plan to be here to keep on listening to all this, because it upsets me in my head because ive seen this happen over and over, same names different games, of the promises. The promises. Now its o. C. I. I. He said. Seems like o. C. I. I. Still tell lies. Im not up here to sugar coat anything today. But im here to speak parallel on the issue. You all never done it but ive come up here and speak different agencies they push a button back there, a panic button, have the sheriff come up here, ace off track. Ace trying to disrupt the meeting. In my life and time, yall, im 63, ive seen meetings disrupted by community activists. I mean disrupted. But im an old vet. I guess im standing up here saying theres not that many of us around, but i support the project. The two speakers who just spoke they need housing, a lot of us need housing. Im here to speak on these millionaire Billionaire Developers who have come into this city by the bay. You got to hear what i got to say, it aint what you all saying, the history, if you tell the history, if you all tell it we wont be able to smell it. In my community you have to smell it to believe it. Im not here to lecture you but breaking the boredom to speak to every issue to keep it parallel and you all know doggone well what im here about, you know what im here to speak about. Its all in the papers, its all in the news. I aint looking like mr. Magoo but bottom line, yall, somebody will have to be accountable for all of this. Let me just say in closing, all these developments, all these presentations, what if . What if . Thats only a twoletter word. But its so long. Ive been around, people like mary rogers and them when the redevelopment started and relocation, they sued and stopped it. And what if . What if Something Like that happened again . Stop all the projects until Governor Brown come see whats going on in the city by the bay. Chair m. Mondejar thank you. I have no more speaker cards, madam chair. Chair m. Mondejar hearing no further requests to speak on this item, i will close Public Comment. So now i turn to my fellow commissioners for comments and questions. I just want to say i support this project. I think its long overdue. I like the fact that it has housing for veterans and its looking to serve families. So i think this is a good project to move forward. Chair m. Mondejar thank you, commissioner bustos. Commissioner rosales . Yes, thank you. I, of course, agree. And im happy to say that we are approving, likely approving this on the eve of veterans day, which i think is very appropriate. Which happens to be my daughters birthday so we celebrate it every year. But i had a couple of questions. Forgive me if ive asked them before. I like data, as we know. On slide 17, we are talking about the preferences on the veterans side. Im interested in knowing, of course the preferences as are delineated there, they are selfexplanatory but do we actually have a number in our mind we are targeting, for instance for the certificate of preference . Category for veterans . You know, its tough on that because h. S. H. Is still pulling together data in their coordinated entry system. That number changes and the population on that list changes everyday. So to crosscheck that list then against the list that o. C. D. Maintains Certificate Holders is a moving target. I cant say we have a specific number in mind or that we have been able to put data to that but the intent and plan is we will continue to coordinate as we get closer to project occupancy and lease up to see what that looks like, including veterans administration, swords, department of homelessness and Supportive Housing working closely to figure out where we can house certificate of preference holders that are also formerly Homeless Veterans. I was going to add, perhaps a survey just completed might help us in informing that decision. I dont know how many preference holders there are, but if there are fewer preference holders than Units Available it would be great if they could all be housed. I like the idea, in terms of how the preferences work beyond certificate of preference category, the longevity, or length of time that a veteran has been homeless, i think that speaks to, im assuming homeless generally, not necessarily in San Francisco, right . Right. It seems to me in the high need category. Exactly. Thats something that h. S. H. Is working to refine and has been refining through the roll out of the coordinated entry system and thats sort of the beauty of the coordinated entry system, they can really understand the history of folks they are trying to work with. Prioritize folks by those most in need and who will benefit most from permanent Supportive Housing. I have to say the income category 23,000 or something, thats crazy to me. I guess if you are formerly homeless, thats maybe typical but its just crazy that we would be targeting that low. I mean theres got to be a lot of need in that area in the veteran category. That was just an observation. The other question i had was on, another favorite topic, the s. B. E. Program, slide 23, i have to commend the team. I look at the list of folks that are getting work and im recognizing some names but theres a lot of names im seeing, i think for the first time so that says theres good work being done in the outreach to the Small Business community, so i want to commend the team on that, so my question is, and perhaps this is a question for the general contractor and developer on what are the joint venture opportunities. We want to build capacity in the Small Business community to compete for our contracts and im encouraged to hear theres 23 distinct scopes being identified. Is that close to reality or is this exploratory . Can someone answer that . I will turn that question over to nibbi or ken from c. C. D. C. Good afternoon. So some of the joint venture opportunities we are looking at, nibbi concrete chair m. Mondejar you want to identify yourself. Sorry, im aksel borne with nibbi brothers. So one of the opportunities is a joint venture with Michael Banes and nibbi concrete, its something we have done in the past. Another one is broadway and bacon. Bacon is a local company they are doing a joint venture with and have done business together before as well. And the other one is Pacific Allied fire. So those are the three that we reached out for. Chair m. Mondejar great, thank you. Hi, commissioners, i just want to add that we havent signed the construction contract and subcontracts yet. Those are joint ventures we are working on but have not been finalized. Chair m. Mondejar would you like to identify . Sorry, im kim with c. D. C. Chair m. Mondejar commissioner singh . We actually, General Community has done lots of projects for us. So they are a good developer. Only my question is how much loan they have with so far. Do you loan, because we loan them before also some money. Right. I actually dont have that data in front of me. Jeff, would you be able to speak to that . Hi, im jeff white, Housing Program manager. So the loan so far, we have to this project is 2. 5 million for the predevelopment. And other projects that we funded in the past have already transferred to Mayors Office of housing and community development. And the other question i have, do you have the list we will get these units . Not yet. Let me turn that back over to kim. No, we dont have a list yet of potential residents. We will, the develop. Development team will put together an early outreach plan shortly after they begin construction. And we will start to reach out to potential residents and do mailings and hold workshops for rental readiness and we will develop a list of potential residents much closer to actual occupancy. The other thing is the parking. 0. 44. Two units will get one parking. Right. Do you know whose going to get that . That will be based on a lottery system. We, again, based on prefontaine experience from swords in the city we expect little or minimal demand or interest from folks occupying the veterans interest. We have 0. 44 for the family units and again, that will be based on a lottery system. Thank you. Chair m. Mondejar i have a clarification. Page 17. The preferences. I just need clarification. The first is the formerly homeless veteran c. O. P. Holders . Right. Chair m. Mondejar and then the formerly Homeless Veterans who are not c. O. P. Holders, is next in priority. And then you have very low income veteran c. O. P. Holders, so they get a second chance, because they belong to number one, right . Not necessarily. So a very low income veteran c. O. P. Holder is meant to address the possibility there are no formerly Homeless Veterans left who need to be housed. So if nobody met that qualification of meeting the definition of having been homeless we would then move onto lowincome veteran c. O. P. Holders who hadnt experienced homelessness. Chair m. Mondejar but they belong to the c. O. P. Holders list . Yes. Chair m. Mondejar the very low income are not c. O. P. Holders . Thats right. Chair m. Mondejar so you will develop, i guess, two additional lists, number 2 and number 4 . Right. So the formerly Homeless Veterans are all, would be referred through the department of homelessness and Supportive Housings list through the coordinated housing list. If at some point they had nobody left to refer who had been formerly homeless or experienced homelessness, then we would move out or reach out to a much broader audience and yes, develop a list of very low income veterans not c. O. P. Holders nor experienced homelessness. Chair m. Mondejar so thats group 4. Yes. Chair m. Mondejar okay, thats good. Because you are reaching out really to a wider pool. Yeah. Chair m. Mondejar and giving them the opportunity but its all based on lottery. Right. And to be honest, i i wish i could say there was a brighter outlook and we would get to level 4, but i think for the foreseeable future, folks will be coming in categories 1 and 2. Where you know, we will have that influx of veterans and hopefully we can eventually, the city can get to working zero but that doesnt mean there arent new veterans who are ending up on the streets who need to be placed into units. But the idea is hopefully we catch them quickly and get them housed as fast as possible. Chair m. Mondejar do you have a number of how many formerly Homeless Veterans there are . I dont. I apologize. Good afternoon, leon, there are approximately 700 homeless vets on the byname list in San Francisco. And of those about 100 that are considered priority due to length of time homelessness or vulnerability, which means chair m. Mondejar they could be top of the list . Pardon . Chair m. Mondejar they go to the top of the list. I dont want to blindside staff here but i would like to address your comment regarding affordability, or the 30 . I would like swords plowshares would like to see some latitude in that. For example, a veteran 100 Service Connected disabled, which we have quite a few, quite a few end up homeless. Their income is about 40 of a. M. I. So that restriction, unless we can get individual waivers is going to keep some of the most vulnerable on the street. So i fully understand dedicating housing to extremely low income but there is a segment of the Homeless Population this could really be a disservice to, so i just wanted to put that on the record. Chair m. Mondejar and how are you addressing that . Or are we able to address that . We have other properties, [inaudible] c. D. When we want to bring in a veteran over the income limit for the property, we have to go through a process of getting an individual waiver. However, those have all been for transitional settings, not for permanent. So im not sure if that waiver process would hold up in this instance or if there should be something beyond that, that codifies it. Chair m. Mondejar working with m. O. C. D. On this . Not quite. Chair m. Mondejar not quite . Okay. Well thank you for raising that. Do you have a comment . I was going to say, thats why i brought it up, because it seemed to be kind of a very low threshold. And unless theres a lot of need at that threshold, it seems to be a bit low. There is a lot of need at that threshold. But there are those exceptions. And they may be 80 Service Connected disabled. And often these are visible or invisible wounds of war. So we just need a mechanism so we are able to serve them in this housing as well so they arent relegated to an s. R. O. When they really need more quality housing. Just to be clear, it sounds like theres more need than the units essentially targeted for veterans in this particular development in San Francisco, it sounds like . Oh, yes. Is this the only veterancentric development that we have in the pipeline . Currently in the pipeline, well no. M. O. H. C. We got predevelopment funding, apartments on Treasure Island, that will be close to 100 veteran building. Replacement housing for veterans living on Treasure Island on an interim basis for many years now and 44 new units for currently Homeless Veterans. And these are individuals being thought about in this households headed by veterans. We have some on tries Treasure Island we have some veteran households. So that project will have 1 and 2bedroom replacement units for those households, as well. And the 1bedroom units at mission bay could serve couples. Chair m. Mondejar you have 62 units for veterans and theres over 700 on your list. Yes. But not all of them need Supportive Housing, maam. I think its an important distinction when talking about permanent Supportive Housing. From the ser