Transcripts For SFGTV Government Access Programming 20171123

SFGTV Government Access Programming November 23, 2017

The action in 2017 and we have ongoing monitoring to make sure we have those decreasing trends, so we can transfer the property with a clean bill of health. Site 32 was a storage facility. The reason we havent transferred it, we use it as a lay down area. Mainly soil from site 12. When we do a radiological clean up project, we lay down the soil on radiological screening pads, thats where we do all the testing and scanning to determine if the soil needs to be shipped off. We have done some radio logical scanning there due to historic historical laydown areas. Before the wastewater plant was built, we did recycling abilities there. We scanned it. That should receive a clean bill of health. Building 461, same thing. There was training ongoing there. We had to scan that building as well. Were working with California Department of health from relief of that building. The original transfer date is 2020. Its possible we could work to get that property to the city before that. This is just one of those legacy dates from the edcmoa that we havent really changed yet. But well work with tida as we move forward with those sites. So last but not least the focus of the Environmental Restoration program is the housing area site 12. Theres chemical cleanup, and of course radio logical investigation. You have this dual layer Cleanup Program that makes it complex. Itll be the last partle inside to grasp the complicated nature, i made a flowchart. It helps me. If you look at radio that radio lo logical sort of thing. The goal is to for everything to turn green. With each milestone, we turn one of these boxes green and get a little closer to ultimately being able to transfer the property to the city of San Francisco. So right here, we have the solid Waste Disposal areas. Youll hear that term often. It really is where 99 of all the radiological contamination that is what everyone is concerned about comes from the solid Waste Disposal area, documented places where disposal occurred, mostly during the 40s and 50s. So this is a map, you can sort of see the four solid Waste Disposal areas. We call them westside drive here. Based north point are up there. B big bigga Bigelow Court in that area. Were trying to wrap them up at bayside. Bigelow and bayside complete. We have to go back to north point in 2018 for another additional dig. We westside drive, 90 of everything recovered from site 12 came from westside drive. When you look at the historical documents, you can see the aerial photographs show thats where the known disposal occurred from. Its not a surprise that thats really where everything has been coming from. So looking now towards other things, if you move to the right side, youre dealing with chemical things. And it gets a little confusing, i admit, when we do different projects and different phases, this particular project was focusing on a timecritical removement action to get ahead of the process as funding permitted. We did three things. We it a historical petroleum removal. Thats sort of coincides with the 1939 gas station available for the international exposition. So we removed the petroleum there that was causing a groundwater issue there. Poly34inated biphenol issue. Were almost done with that. The southern portion of site 12, small digs poaddress other things. Those are all done. So basically were about 90 done with all the chemical work that will have to be done. Moving on to solid Waste Disposal action, its another phase were working on. We have a work plan being developed. In 2018, were going to go to the Northern Area of site 12 for a lot of those small chemical digs. After this is done, we basically should not be goodbying going back into the neighborhoods for any remedial action outside of the solid Waste Disposal area that no one is living right now. That should be a big relief to the community that we should be wrapping up all of our intrusive work in site 12 in the spring of 2018, expected to take probably 2 or 3 months for the project as a whole. Last but not least, the most complicated environmental portion of site 12 is the radiologic radiological just because its a matter of two things. You have solid Waste Disposal areas which are easy. You excavate them. During the four phases of housing construction, its clear that some of these ints incide incidental objects may have been pulled from some debris and distributed through the housing area. Less than 1 has been found outside of the solid Waste Disposal areas. This presents a unique challenge to figure out what is the ultimate remedy going to be for site 12. So what were talking about is lowlevel radiological items containing radium 226. Its the only radio isotope found on Treasure Island that needs to be removed. 99 has been from the solid Waste Disposal areas. The challenge is the open spaces. So from a purely human health and safety point of view, many of you recall the open space surveys that the California Department of Public Health did initially followed by the navy scans as well. And all the open spaces as well as everybody building within site 12 and every other open space. So we did a layered approach, survey upon survey to build a line of evidence that well present to the state. Ultimately, to determine whether or not further action is needed. For the open spaces, right now, were thinking that not much more needs to be done because the lines of evidence can say that weve cleared these open spaces down to a certain depth. The paperwork is going to take some time. We have to go through the circle of process. The next significant document will be the radiological Feasibility Study in 2018 followed by a proposed plan and record of decision. Well work closely with the state of california through this process to ultimately decide what the final remedy will be for the open spaces and the solid Waste Disposal areas. The options for the solid Waste Disposal areas are pretty straightforward. Excavation has been what weve been trying to do is just pure source removal, which is the most aggressive thing that you can do. So in summary, again, its all about protecting human health in the environment, but the good news is after 25 years, the remediation work is basically complete in over half the base. The ongo radiological survey work is expected to focus only onsite 12 after 2018. But in site 12, there will be continued chemical remediation, and it will be the only site basically that we focus on on Treasure Island, 2018 and beyond. Ultimately, like i said before, itll be the last site transf transferred mainly due to the paperwork steps that we need to go to to insure that the regulatory agencies give it a clean bill of health to support transfer. With that, i know thats a lot to go over, but ill be happy to answer any questions that the board and anyone else may have. I think well first open it up to the board for questions. And then we will open it up to the audience for questions. Yes. Thank you very much, sir, for that detailed presentation. I think we would like personally like for you to help us to convey our gratitude to his excellent work on this project. Hes no longer here, but you know, we know that he has the new person using this project is in good hands. I have a series of questions for you. You mentioned that the 30 series parcel 30 series are conveyance in january, end of january. So that is very ambitious. Very precious that weve gotten this far. So for the public proceedings, and this percentage here is extremely very important. You also know that you have the additional public proceedings to conduct, you know, for the residents, for the cab. That is very important. The reason is because the information that you present to us here is extremely important, and we also want to make sure that the residents and they also have the opportunity for that, because january is just around the corner, and end of january, youre ready to go, so the presumption here is that all the regulatory agencies by you secured all their reports and sign up, right . Correct. Okay. Thats great. So please, that process is extremely important. That way we all on the same page here, and the second also has to do with pursuit 12, which again, the anticipated time is 2021, which is also very very impressive. That date, i know depends on the 2018 feasibility report. That would determine the extent of how far to a 31. It may be you can actually convey before that, but if theyre just likelihood that that report indicates something that will be further investigation, that may affect that 2021. The fees ability study is key really to the open spaces. Thats really the most challenging technical question that we have, what is the final remedy to ultimately support property transfer. And even that, the 2021 is still very impressive weve done all this work. Yes. Just now getting to that tail end. So overall, i think this is great news that we are finally after 20 something years, we have gotten the public and recognize and all the stakeholders that meticulously, that we have the regulatory oversight, and these folks are doing whatever it is, and you can just see the span of the process, that the city of San Francisco, by the time the parcels are conveyed, that all of the regulatory agencies, including San Francisco department of Public Health will have their say so. Correct. 2021 seems a far ways away, but itll be here before you know it. There are a lot of conversations to be held for site 12 before that. Thats why we are trying to get ahead of ourselves so when 2021 comes along, we are ready to transfer. There will be a lot of discussions about site 12, more and more as it becomes the focus for the Environmental Restoration project. I think that before the ultimate goal here, and especially with the navy remediation is to make sure that the land is safe for people to live, for our children to play, you know, and i just wanted to notice you have in your report that you actions you take are actually also being looked at by various agencies, regulatory agen agencies. Correct. Like the waterboard and t r board and the state department of health. Its not just the navy saying its okay. We have all these agencies at the state and local level that are overlook the work you are doing and making sure it is up to the standards of safety for us. Would you comment on that . Thats very accurate. My job primarily is to collect informati information, to clean things up and collect information, and then provide it to the regulatory agencies. Theyre the ones that sign off that is something is clean and suitable for transfer, as well as other independent agencies apart from San Francisco department of health, the hsdr, institute, the Cancer Institute do independent studies upon themselves that the public can rely upon as far as whether or not Treasure Island is safe to live, work, and play in, which theyve all said consistently it is. So thats something that we rely upon heavily, those independent thirdparty opinions based upon the information that we collect. Thank you. And i think that we wont even accept the land, the transfer land to us until those agencies have said this is safe. Correct. Thank you. Yes. Thank you for the presentation of. This is all very new and informative for me. You know, as just the layperson, when i hear about cleanup and radiological contaminants, it does come across as pretty alarming. It would help me understand it if you can give me some points of reference. As i understand it, the chemical or regulations around Hazardous Materials have really changed over the decades, and in my perspective, i would assume there are probably other, you know, older type of materials or commonly used products that are may contain similar contaminants of the radium 226 that i think youve said was present. Can you maybe give me just like some examples of what those items may be. Is it something that is like maybe more prevalent than i would think . Do we discover items with a particular type of isotope even in the mainland, San Francisco. Sure. To keep it really simple. Radium 226 was used without regulation for decades. Any old glow in the dark clocks that your grandparents may have or its radium 226. Its in the public domain. And regulated by certain rules and regulations. Its not illegal to have a clock from your grandparents. You note it is radium 226 and should be treated with the respect that it is. Granted its at low levels, so its really youre dealing with a totally different scenario than Something Like in say a Nuclear Power plant. Its apples and oranges. Its out there. But we treat it with more respect than perhaps we did in the past. Like i said, it wasnt regulated, and the Common Disposal practice was burial. Thats why we find it in these burial pits because that was the recommended disposal practice, because what you do is you separate yourself from it. And the radiation can be blocked with a separation of soil. And thats why you bury it, and there it is. But now, given the nature of everyones concern, were removing it. It seems to be the practical thing to do. Request comb any question from the board . Well turn it open to audience. My name is ruthy sackhype. I name to this area from new york about 30 or so years ago and when it came, word on the street was dont ever go over to those islands. Theyre radioactive. I havent spent much time here, and i know a whole community has developed here. And i worry about the health of the people here. I think call it radiological is not an honest way to say it. You should say radioactive. The fear is its radioactive. I think that also radioactive, being a layperson, i learned there were half lives and all kinds of things and you could not get rid of it once it were somewhere. Where are you sending it if youre removing it . My last question is if were to trust the epa and other regulatory agencies, i dont have a lot of trust in those agencies. I think they can be bought off by developers and theyre not completely trustworthy for the citizens. Im wondering if there are citizens watchdog groups that will be brought in to really measure the radio activity themselves . Thank you so much. I think you can answer that question first. Please. Youre right. The terminology is not a pleasant topic to discuss. There are new good way to talk about it. I think it was put best years ago when he said even though there really isnt a humane health issue, theres a crisis of confidence where historically, perhaps, we could have done a better job communicating to the public exactly what is out there. And there will always be room for improvements to communicate with vettbetter because its a complicated thing to deal with. Its not an oil spill or something you can necessarily see that makes it more mysterious. Thats something we try to work on and try to have as many meetings as possible with the restalation Advisory Board to bring in to refresh everyone in what were dealing with why is it a concern. How do you dispose of it properly. You cant get rid of it because of the halflife of radium 226. You basically take it to a secured Disposal Facility. Typically in the past, its gone to utah, the Disposal Facility there. I agree that yes, there is continued work as far as discussing with the public, educating them. That will be an ongoing thing we have to do. And again, we have invited the thirdparty companies to come in and observe what we do. Well continue our work. As development occurs. Well continue to do that for years to come to insure the dialogue continues. Theres always something new to learn and relearn so we all understand it better. Even i learn new things every day which is good, i think. My name is melanie williams. You were saying certain stuff, and i remember you all having a meetings. Ive been here 20 years. Okay . Where was the lady at that was just here. First of all everybody is here. We got a big community. You all came in. When you come in stuff like this, and people dont know, thats what loyalty. We dont want people saying ive been here 20 years. You say oh grandfather clocks, i have all that. My grandfather left me something. You all coming in and not breaking down and got these big words, and then our community we dont know. So when you came in before to a friend, ive been knowing for years. My thing is you dont break stuff down to people, how do you think we feel when somebody coming in and you saying this is our board. They need to know. And as me being here 20 years, yes, i do have that. My grandmother left me this clock. You saying those big words, that confuses somebody if you dont break it down right and we think somethings wrong. I know there aint nothing wrong with this. You aint told us, youre going to be the ones accountable for what happens. So your job is let the people that been here this long know, and come to them. When you say clean it up and youre seeing dh and all this coming in, thats good. We lived here. Our kids grew up here. So if we need to be accountable, let us know and get it together. Make sue we all right. Weve been living here. You go home at night. And we have to stay here, sir. Thank you. [clapping] youre right. And that goes exactly to our continuing effort to get less technical. Were very technical people. And it is one of the Biggest Challenges to communicate, you know, what were dealing with. So like i said, we have room for improvement. I think well just keep the dialogue going and try to break it down and bring in new people that maybe have a new spin on dealing with it. Weve had several experts in the past to talk about the topic. So yeah, were going to continue to do that, just so that we will repeat the message that, yes, we understand what youre dealing with, because youre living here. As you say, we go home at night.

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