Currently. And it saves retail operators from having to go outside the city in order to fill their pipeline. I mean, we basically eliminate businesses that have been operating to date providing the pipeline for existing mcds to continue to do their business. And then the other one you didnt really speak about, the Compassion Program. Do you want to Say Something about that . Yeah, well, the Compassion Program. State law did not allow fto giv away cannibis. This allows a store front to have medical cannibis product at low or nominal cost for individuals qualified under California Health and safety code 1362. 7. This is page 10 line 8 to use medical cannibis. So it allows the director of the office of cannibis to adopt rules, regulations and guidelines applicable to Compassion Programs including but not limited to eligibility and applicable to those who may get it at low or no cost. In laymens terms, essentially the current laws dont allow for basically giving away cannibis. But what this allows for, if youre it says medical its only on the medical side, not the adult use side. No, not on the adult use side. I just want to be clear. Someone who would have to come in, they would still have a medical card. And then that person would it says no or minimal cost to low income individuals identified under California Health and safety code. Is that probably is what determines that theyre low income . Thats probably the section of the code how do they how do you verify theyre low income . I think that the health and safety code refers to the medical cannibis card. Thats right. Thats a reference to the state law who describes who is eligible to use medical cannibis, they have to be a qualified patient with a physician recommendation. And it says the director shall adopt rules, regulations and guidelines applicable to the Compassion Program. Thats where the rules will be set and where people will be qualified as low income and set a threshold. Thats the intention. Thank you. Any Committee Members have questions on these amendments . I have a couple of questions. Im just wondering, so were assuming that everything in the pipeline that is for adult use will be medical useless, is that an assumption or wrong assumption . The permits is for retail require all retailers to retain medical, they may say medical only but if they do adult use they must retain medical. But the ones in the pipeline, the new ones would offer medical and adult use, is that correct . I dont know what their plans are as operators, however they would be required to obtain medical. So they but new permits coming forward, dont require medical just adult use. Will there be some dispensaries that give medical and adult and some dispensaries just adult use . No, only dispensaries or retailers that are adult and medical or medical only. We are not proposing adult use only. Got it. Thank you for the answer. I have another question. Then have we set aside any provisions that actually clarify what medical if youre offering medical cannibis that provisions for medical patients for example many of the dispensaries in Washington State and oregon have everything packaged. So there is no loose product anymore, that it is all packaged. And so when we talk about a medical patient, much of it is trial and error, much of it is by the smell, much of it is by how this combination works with this combination because everybodys makeup is so unique. Will our medical marijuana dispensaries offer patients the ability to actually have this interaction with loose product or will everything be just packaged . I do think that medical marijuana is has a different purpose but then also its a different way of accessing its a medicine that actually interacts with your body and individuals very differently. The use of cannibis in a medical capacity is quite frankly before the aids epidemic but was also used before that for other remedies, too. All was medical use. Supervisor, under the application requirements for retailers on page 34 line 15 theres a provision in there that requires a description of how the applicant will support the needs of those who qualify under the health and safety codes to use medical cannibis including but not limited to providing space where customers may speak confident ally 1019. And ensuring sufficient supply of medical cannibis product. I think that might speak to your concerns. Not really. You want to be able to ensure that the patient has access to loose flower, is that your question . Yeah. I just think its sort of key when youre talking about medicine. Not everyones dosage is the same and not everyones medicine is the same. And this is why i think marijuana is so effective as a medicine, actually patients are able to access or combine strains sometimes or try out a strain to see how it works. And so, when everything is sealed in a package, it doesnt give you the ability to actually smell it or interact with product, and i think that is correct me if im wrong, i think its a large part of it. What i hear from people, from medical marijuana users, its about the interaction in your own individual body. That does not give that provision in the particular part of legislation. Also with my colleagues, do you feel its important or not important. Feel free to weigh in. Can i just ahead for a second, supervisor sheehy is the only medical cannibis supervisor. I would like him to weigh in. Thats kind of the practice now. I dont know that we need to put it in the law. Certainly if thats something we need to clarify within the actual regulations to implement the law by the director, i think thats probably it seems a level of a little too deep to require medical cannibis dispensaries to have loose leaf product. I think they do now. Everybody gives you the opportunity to look at at least for the ones i have been to, you get the opportunity to look at it and sample but when you look at other states that have introduced adult use, its all packaged. I have a question. Are you asking i have a question supervisor. I want to clarify what youre asking. Are you asking they write into the legislation that product, some of the product has to be loose . I think i would like assurance. Its great we can have a conversation here about it and i think its important. But if Going Forward around cannibis use for medical marijuana patients, i think we should have a provision that product will be accessible to medical patients in a loose form. I think if were going to go forward and we really believe patients need product to okay. I got it. Supervisor yee live comfortably. Yeah, so it would just maybe be a line or two and in one dispensary i went to, it was either washington oregon or, they had loose product on the side. The other ones had no loose product at all and said there was no loose product at all, were only doing it in packages that are sealed with dosages and that they never patients never touch the product and the only aaccommodation they gave to medical marijuana patients, they didnt have to pay the tax. But it didnt have any other provision for medical use. Im questioning it because im hearing thats an essential part of it being a medicine. Can i offer a suggestion, some of this stuff were doing in this transition period is going to be temporary, theyre going to be guidelines written, theres going to be implementation and oversight period and i just wonder if this is something have you heard this is an issue, you are seeing in the field in terms of whats currently out there or youre concerned were going to transition to it . No. Were only medical marijuana now. Were not adult use now. But when we switch to adult use i understand i want to make sure they have access. If you feel that you dont need to put this into legislation until we can add it later, but i actually feel its sort of important just in the and also with this new amendment that supervisor sheehy has just proposed, its all about medical marijuana and im thinking why not strengthen the ability for people to access this in loose form. Supervisor yee. Sure. Thank you supervisor fewer. Before you spoke, i was going in the opposite direction, whats the point of keeping records for mcds if everybody is walking in and buying whatever they want to buy anyway. But i think your argument makes some sense to me, not from my experience going into the mcds, so much as growing up with traditional chinese medicine, thats exactly what we do. You walk in, its not prepackaged. Those trained as a medical doctor will take your pulse and do all kinds of stuff and determine what combination of herbs and so forth would make sense to you as an individual and then goes to my sister and says youre going to do Something Else. So i think your argument makes a lot of sense. And i would be very supportive if there was language to continue allowing that and not having it all be prepackaged. Thank you. Supervisor sheehy, are you still on the call . Yeah. Maybe it would be helpful to describe the provisions. Youre not walking to a counter where everybody goes for everything. My understanding is adult and medical is separate. The supply chains are. And when you go in . The products are separate, yes. We talked about this early on when we were drafting to maintain youll still have experienced people knowledgeable about the medical uses, is there language in there about that . What language do we have to protect the medical side from being again, it would be that provision that would require i dont have it in front of me right now. I could track it down. Its the provision that requires the retailer to ensure theyre meeting the needs of medical patients, including through supply as well as privacy when it comes to that sort of consultation. We have the privacy provision. If people want to put more language, but could you handle it regulation dropping the rules do you have a general sense of whats there . I mean, do we want to require there be loose Product Available then we can do that. I would defer to the City Attorney as far as i could require that through rules and regulations. Any thoughts . Deputy City Attorney gibbner . If we do so, we probably want to add language about knowledgeable personnel. Say that again. Knowledgeable personnel. Can we do that with director or do we need to put the language in stipulating loose product and maintenances. Really, i guess when i think about it, its not really its just continuing best practice. But yeah, but if were doing legislation, you and i are temporary stewards of city government. It should be memorialized in legislation quite frankly. It doesnt matter if were having a discussion about it. Its about what will happen 10 years from now if adult use takes over and everything is all sealed. I mean i actually think because supervisor sheehy and i are used to herbalists, we understand that not all dosages and medicines affect people the same. I think its i dont think the provision in here is Strong Enough and it doesnt have to stay loose, but access to product that is not packaged. It doesnt have to say hey, loose leaf or whatever, i mean, i just think if we want to maintain the integrity of medical marijuana. No, i got it. Sometimes we need legislation that protects forever the integrity of medical marijuana. Okay. So deputy City Attorney gibbner. Hold on supervisor. Go ahead. In response to in response to supervisor sheehys question about the directors authority. Director has which director are we talking about . Miss elliot. The director has pretty Broad Authority to adopt rules and regulations, getting into this but not specifically defined. So if the board is interested in ensuring that she has authority to require medical cannibis retailers to provide an adequate mix of products to clients, we could add that into the ordinance rather than specifying you must have this much loose product, we could say director may or shall adopt rules and regulations ensuring diverse mix of products for medical patients. So, my comment is i think that would be fine except this is a lot of authority to the director. Im just going to say that the director here today is nicole elliot, the director here in five years could be somebody completely different that doesnt believe in medical marijuana. Im just im just saying that we are now as the supervisors on the verge of creating ordinances that will regulate a huge business. We have no idea where this is going to head but we do know the past relationship with marijuana and our past relationship with marijuana has been medical and it has proven to be successful as medical. And so i just want to make sure that we have the integrity of the Medicinal Marijuana is still in place and protected for those thousands of patients. I think you make a good point. Supervisor yee and then supervisor sheehy. I was just going to say one word, i think what i heard deputy City Attorney, i think if you want to put in the language supervisor fewer, shall the members support it okay. So is that an an amendment . We can make it for tomorrow but giving requiring the director to provide shall sorry, hold on. I have cut supervisor sheehy off several times. Go ahead. Thank you, i appreciate that. I just think when we start getting away in the weeds no pun intended, we may create unintended consequences. The track and trace rules that the state is requiring may end up necessitating prepackaged product and could stop the whole train for patients putting into laws and rules we havent researched with conformity to state law. I ask us to be careful, thats why im asking that the director, and i think the amendment to make shall be part of it, but were coming into a different reality. The track and trace rules are very strong. And one of the reasons i understand what its like to try to figure out what works best. Thats why it was important to have on site consumption so you can sample, can you see the impact on you from different products, but i do think we have to be careful im not completely sure how the track and trace requirements are going to be implemented. Its not like today where somebody opens the draw and starts taking stuff out and weighing it and putting it into pill bottles, as much as i love that mode of doing it, i dont know how thats really going to work in terms of state law. State law at the end of the day will be ultimately what is determinative. So, im not trying to cut the debate or conversation off but do you have additional or final comments . Nobody knows what the state law is going to be. So having said that, City Attorney gibbner, before tomorrows meeting could i see a copy of the proposed language, please. Sure. So yeah we can director elliot. I want to suggest one clarifying amendment the City Attorney made me aware of. Page 58, line 12 under store front cannibis retailers, while i have been saying that as far as retail we want to retain medical and adult use the word authorities is not required. I would recommend the City Attorney draft amendment to strike authorities and put in requires. Do we have to draft that or just strike it today . If the city does it after Public Comment well send it to the meeting tomorrow. The only last thing, i think its good well have it drafted and we can kind of sleep on it and think about it a little bit more. The only thing i would say, i know from practice in terms of restaurants and limited restaurants and businesses in general, when we try to be overregulate it, if the market shifts in one way or the other, they will do the bear minimum to meet the requirements. If it becomes rules from track and trade everything has to be packaged and we say it has to be open, i can imagine theres a tiny corner where they have a little thing open to meet the requirements of rules or because San Francisco has a robust tradition of interacting with medicine as you both have pointed out and the market here locally will dictate the demand is there and people want to have open product to smell, interact with and so on, i dont know if thats necessarily how the market will go. I think were all kind of speculating. Lets draft the amendment and well have a final conversation about it tomorrow. The only point i was trying to make was as we start to handout these temporary permits that we know were all committed to, i think were going to see in a quick amount of time how the industry adjusts in the first year. If there was an extreme movement one way or another, we have the ability to come back and adjust. Im happy to support drafting that amendment and moving forward. And so, why dont we anything else . Lets take Public Comment and come back to the amendments. We have your amendment as proposed. Do you need more direction in terms of the management and security plan, should we come back to that after Public Comment . I think we have it but well prepare that for tomorrow to vote on. Unless theres additional comments from colleagues here, and thank you supervisor sheehy for your leadership on this. I know you have been working hard on this, even over the weekend i was getting calls and trying to get the process going. I appreciate you sitting in today and all the thought put in by my fellow Committee Members. I know we have a lot of other business to do. Its consuming a lot of our time. Im going to open for Public Comment. Each speaker has two minutes. Please state your name clearly. Im going to call the first two speakers and as you move on, feel free to stay but i know there are people waiting to come in as well. We normally would have been in the large room. Nicole howl, doug block, alley gemalian and herald smith. Good morning im an attorney that represents cannibis businesses, my firm represents operators throughout the state. Thank you to supervisor sheehy for the amendments here today and the committee and office of cannibis for the responsiveness to the needs of the industry and requirements of social justice through the Equity Program. So, as i am often proud to be part of the San Francisco community and today is no exception and i appreciate the level of conversation thats been had. So good job so far. But theres a little bit of work to do. There are two points i would like to offer for you