November , and thats satisfied. I think this, mr. Chairman, ought to be on the january calendar, and the way that miss pelham is scheduling these matters, its for discussion and or vote, correct. Yes. Again, its up to the commissioner direction as to what you would like to see. So i have a process direction to the city attorney. As this item is agendaized, is it and i think staff is asking for policy direction, so could we discuss im assuming the answer is yes, but i wanted to clarify. Could we discuss, as a body, whether or not as a policy matter we wanted to pursue this item now . We dont have to wait until the january meeting to discuss it . Well, i mean, it sounds like the questions are sort of how you want to proceed from a priority perspective, so you know, i think you could give advice about how how you wanted staff to, you know, to prioritize the different item. , and i think also, just some substantive discussion, as well. Thank you. So if we could, you know, on this item you know, commissioner kopp, im not sure what the genesis of this proposal is. Well, ill tell you what it is. Its a duplicate agency. Its a reason the city has a record budget of 10, 600,000000, and it cams some five years after the voters established this commission because of the then supervisor didnt trust the Ethics Commission, he told me, which is not a strong reason to create another bureaucracy. So thank you for that. So in considering this, however, i think that the Sunshine Ordinance Task force conducts a body of work which i think is very important to the city in hearing the issues raised by the citizens. And that the removal or the abolition of the task force doesnt make that work go away, and i dont think our staff is equipped with the resources to be able to take on that work. And to go to the voters, so ask them to amend is this a Charter Amendment or would this be just a ballot measure. It would be an administrative code. Okay. So it would be a ballot measure to address the the duplicative nature of bureaucracy. I dont know that that is the highest and best use of our good will, if you will. Well, then, prepare the legislation. Its responsibility is the same as one of our responsibilities, which was enforcement of the government code of the state of california al california, and enforcement of the ordinances of the city and county of San Francisco. What do you need more agencies for . So if more staff is needed, thats part of the budget for the fiscal year 2019. I think that given the other matters before us as a commission and a staff, this is the lowest priority in my in my in my view, and i wouldnt support putting time and resources into it because i dont know, like, what what would it accomplish if we did this . Commissioner kopp it would allow this commission to vote on whether to submit abolition to the voters of San Francisco with some of the reasons that i just set out and others. I think that as a practical matter, i dont think that you can that it would be wise to submit something to the voters and say lets take it away without providing something in in commissioner kopp yeah, you can have a sentence saying all duties performed by this commission or whatever its called, task force, shall continue to be enforced by the Ethics Commission of the city and county. President keane commissioner, commissioner kopp, with all due respect, i think i have to agree with commissioner chiu for other reasons, and that is, im no fan of the Sunshine Ordinance Task force. I think having seen it in action, i think its pretty dreadful up close and personal, and i agree with you that many of the things that it does are probably duplicative of what were doing. At the same time much of the stuff that from what weve heard that it does take on is stuff that if they were done away with, we would wind up getting it. And to be as polite as possible about what ive seen about the things that they have on their plate for the most part, its 90 of it is burepure thats a legal term. President keane yeah, thats a legal term, and i would hate to try and have to impose that on our staff, no matter how much the city is unfortunate to have this this creature that would this hydro headed creature that was created back in the 90s by a couple of your former colleagues. Commissioner kopp no, no. It came after me. President keane after. Commissioner kopp related to a former mayor of San Francisco. President keane so i find myself agreeing with commissioner chiu on this, that thats not something that really, we should get into or take on. And thats not a place id want to go, any way, and im commissioner kopp all right president keane you want to put it on a vote. Commissioner kopp all right. I read the tea leaves, and i will subside. President keane thank you. Commissioner kopp for now. President keane all right. Thats all i have. I guess if theres any other points of sort of direction or or orders of priority that youd like to see addressed, as far as [ inaudible ] yes, so i guess we would suggest that you adopt the recommendations as we have in here, i guess, if youre going to take a vote on the matter, the recommendations that weve provided, just in terms what well move forward with. [ inaudible ] yeah, with the amendments that have been proposed, just because of regarding the meeting times. [ inaudible ] so just to my fellow commissioners and to the staff and to the public, for me, i think that the social media and Election Integrity policy item is is, i think, really important because supervisor kim talked today about the importance of not looking backwards but looking forwards, and this was the scene in the conversations that we had last week or the week before with ann revell, who the the former s. E. C. Director. I really believe with the advent of social media and the targeting and the specificity with which campaigns or hackers or you know, others can send out inform and send out messages and influence, and that we have no idea that its happening, that we have no record of such of those communications or of those ads, and i think that this is a problem that we have just recently discovered in as an issue for our our national election. But i believe that it is only going to grow, and i feel like we as a commission are very uniquely positioned to study this issue to invite Public Comment to invite, you know, stakeholders because i think we all have a stake in this, all of us who vote. Because the information that we get is only as clear and transparent as the disclosure that comes with it. We know where its coming from and whos paying for it, and the immediacy of social media it powerful, and it doesnt take a lot of money to reach a lot of people. So to me, i think this is kind of a Burning House that i would i think we should turn or attention to, you know, with with all deliberate speed, as the saying goes. So i would, you know, just ask for your consideration that we do proceed with the recommendation on item number c1 for an update at the december meeting, in addition to the balance of the recommendations of staff. So i think, just to reclarify it, the motion would be all the recommendations with the amendment to section c, item 5, and moving that item back to january , correct, commissioner . President keane thats right. Commissioner chiu yes. President keane okay. Is that that seems to be the sense of the commission, so thats what well do. The commission isnt required to act. I think were looking for your policy direction. Youve been clear on it, so theres no need to take objection. Take Public Comments . President keane yeah, well take Public Comment now. Id say just lastly because supervisor kim is also considering social mediatype regulation, i also dont want that train to leave the station without our input. Larry bush, friends of ethics. A comment on the Sunshine Task force, one of the things thats going to have to happen is a rewriting of the sunshine ordinance because it calls for one of the appointees of the task force to come from the new american media, and youve just seen in the paper today, theyve gone out of business, so theyre going to have to have a new formula. Well, they wont even notice. Well, i can say about that that i worked a year and a half ago with supervisor campos and several others on a rewrite of the Sunshine Ordinance Task force, because even the people who proposed it released at the its did its defunct in the way its operating. Commissioner kopp it also has to filter out a lot of the stuff it does because its essentially assist essentially its a meeting thats besieged by every screw ball in San Francisco. Thats because thats the way its setup now. My point is the commission has the thofrt to setup committees, and you can setup a two Person Committee to look at that, since its going to have to come back one way or other about who is the makeup of the Sunshine Task force, and what are the duties, so im just suggesting that since the charter and the or the nance for the Ethics Commission allowed you to setup a committee, rather than as you say take up all five members in the time that you have, designate a committee to look at that one issue, because it is timely. Thank you. Commissioner kopp thank you. Commissioners, ray hart, strikers of San Francisco. Im going to address several things. One is the efficacy in the ethics and sunshine training. You had the city librarian, lew lewis luis herrera sepg thousands of dollars of gift and filing statements under penalty of perjury where he said he got nothing, and we presented you with evidence, and you did jack. We took it to the state, and the only reason they were restricted is because of the statute of limitations, so i think youre confusing activity with achievement. Yes, you can have everybody fill out the dam form, but if they lie on the form, and then, you ignore the fact that they lie on the form, what darn difference does it make . And as far as the Sunshine Ordinance Task force. Theres why commissioner kopp doesnt like it. They dared to find him in violation of the sunshine ordinance. Thats the same thing that happened to the board of supervisors. They didnt like the fact that they found against the board of supervisors, so they left seats four seats vacant for two years, so when a complainant went in, they had to have a majority, they had to get six out of seven votes, or six out of six if they just had a quorum, and the reason commissioner keane doesnt like it is because he doesnt want to answer to anybody. He doesnt want to go before somebody like the task force where they ask him a question and he has to actually explain itself. He likes it the way it is right now. The public asks the questions, and you ignore them deaf, dumb, blind, mute. You look at what you want to look at, and the idea that you would get rid of the task force is only because you wont enforce it. And youre tired of people coming here and pointing out the fact you wont enforce it, so what do you do . You just get rid of it altogether. Two thirds of the citizens, when that vote came up, passed that, and i have to say that the will of the voters seems to me pretty clear that they wanted that ordinance. Fixing it one thing, getting rid of its something else, but it serves your purposes, doesnt it . You dont like to have to answer to anybody, and you like it just the way it is, where you sit in these boards and commissions, and someone brings up a question, and you either dont respond at all or you make some sort of ignorant comment like 90 of what the task force does is b. S. Thats an ignorant comment. Thats the only time youve ever been there. How would you know . You dont, but that suits your narrative, so youll say it without a twinge of guilt or acknowledgement of the hypocrisy. Commissioner kopp well, allow f allow me for a moment to associate myself with the chairmans remarks. President keane thank you, commissioner. Any further Public Comment . All right. Well move onto the next agenda item, which is item 10, discussion of the executive director no, im sorry item 9, discussion of enforcement reports. Thank you, chair keane. Unfortunately our Deputy Director and director of enforcement of lela fairs, jessica blum is not here. She is under the weather, but it online and on your table for highlights of most recent enforcement statistics, a status of cases pending before bdr and related information on several matters that were pending before the Sunshine Task force. Also, just a quick note, this does update on a Stakeholder Engagement process for enforcing our advisement regulations. Jessica and i have been meeting with interested persons formally and informally to elicit information in providing draft language that will come back to you planned for the december meeting, and i realize as you note, chair keane, that you wont be at that meeting so if theres any interest in moving it to january , we can certainly do that, but well as scheduled, are preparing to bring those forward in december for an initial presentation and discussion, at this point. President keane and thats fine, and vice chair chiu will do a fine job in shepherding all that along. Commissioner chiu okay. No pressure. I actually have one comment, if i may. On page 5, i would like to convey my, i guess, thanks and would like to note that based on the numbers here, of 89 matters in preliminary matter, 68 are less than 12 months old, and 21 are more than 12 months old, so congratulations to the team for working through that ba backlog. I think with a full complement of investigators and auditors now, we can get start to make headway against these matters that have been pending for a long, long time, and im just really delighted to see that, so thank you for that hard work. President keane all right. Any Public Comment on. Commissioners, ray hart, spec tor San Francisco. Governors like to point out the one page that nobody seemed to mention, and i can understand why you dont want to mention it. Its the letter from the office of the District Attorney to miss pelham regarding what you neglected to act upon and had to go before the task force, and from what i read, the District Attorney said you did violate the brown act, and i admit. I was wrong, i kind of went in there and took up the bat for you and said well, i dont think they really did. Well, i got it wrong, too. So im not perfect. I never pretended to be, but the bottom line is, somebody held you in account and you dont like it. Thats one thing that ive found is very common on boards of this city, is if somebody says something to a board or commission, they just ignore it because they dont want to number one, they cant give a response. You never get a response, you get a reaction, and you ask why i behave the way i do . Its because you dont get a response from anybody. What you get is a reaction, and if getting a reaction is the only thing you can get, you become a provocateur. B. F. Skinner, the father of behavioral conditioning said any behavior that is rewarded will be repeated, so if i come here for Public Comment and cant get anybody to engage in dialogue, then, ill become a provocateur. But here, you have something that the District Attorney said you broke the law, and nobody mentions it. The executive director doesnt mention it. Shell say oh, because miss blum isnt here, some other bizarre excuse. The bottom line is you broke the law. The District Attorney said so, and now, you want to go back, and you want to hang it on the Sunshine Ordinance Task force, like theyre the problem. And you want to get rid of the Sunshine Ordinance Task force like theyre the problem. The problem is not with the task force, its with you, because the law says youre supposed to enforce what they find. The Good Government guide, as i pointed out to you earlier says youre supposed to make your decisions based on the evidence and the law, but when we had my hearing last month, you didnt even look at the law. The task force did. Thats why the task force ruled 11 times that in the minutes means in the minutes, because they read the law. But you dont want to read the law because it results in you doing something that you dont want to do. You dont like my comments, and the reason i fought for eight years to get the 150 word summaries is because i was tired of people who didnt like the comments just edit them out of the official record, which is what the library did for years. Its what this body did for years. If a citizen has an opinion you dont like, you just edit it out or you do what you did to mr. Petrellis did that one time. You said oh, you cant have a sign. City ordinance that was a lie, wasnt it . He and i had a meeting with the sheriff, and the sheriff said no, youre permitted to have a sign, and it cant be larger than a certain size. But no, you sat there with a straight face and set to his face, you cant have signs. Thats the rules. You talk a lot about stuff you absolutely no nothing about. You all took sunshine ordinance training . Ha i doubt if any of you has ever even read that law, and yet, you sign a statement every year saying you understand. Yeah, you understand it only to the point where you dont like it because it holds you accountable, and if theres one thing that nobody is able to do in this city is hold anybody accountable, and thats the way you like it. And thats why you dont bite the hand that feeds you; in other words, the body that appoints each and every one of you to this commission. President keane well go now to item 10, discussion of the executive directors report. I have a brief report for you, commissioners. We continue with our organizational or staffing updates. Well be working with the department of Human Resources through the new year to developing the positions with job postings. We expect three