Reinvent the wheel and she does something and goes down the track and were trying to play catch up or undo or mitigate the things that shes been doing so that if we can join forces and work collaboratively together to create a holistic review and assessment and changes moving forward, i think that would be something that that would be important to me. President keane maybe if you both can think of that before fridays meeting and sort of brief us on any thoughts that you have as to how we should approach supervisor kim regarding those things. Certainly. We can definitely provide you with some preliminary remarks. President keane thats great. So switching over to page 4, the other planned projects, again, these were sort of things, again, why we sort of need to revisit our where you would like us to focus our attention Going Forward because we have the annual policy plan that had these items setup. Weve had to push them back a couple times now. I think these are sort of the Major Projects that are pending down the line for us the review of the conflict of interest code. Weve heard complaints about that code in interested persons meetings, from filers, so we know theres issues us as staff, just reviewing the legislation i think theres areas that can be improved, and some of those areas are improved with your anticorruption ordinance, but theres certainly room for further improvement there. Then, again, you have all just voted to put put towards the the board of supervisors a number of new ordinances and amendments regarding the Campaign Finance reform ordinance, so in order shortly shortly hereafter will be i think well have to go back and look really hard at the Campaign Finance ordinance regulations. I dont think any of them have been modified for sometime, and they will need updating and will require updating if and when the anticorruption ordinance passes. And then, the third item, again, as commissioner chiu just highlighted, we need to do a more comprehensive review and determine whether and or what changes, if any, need to be made. How well our Public Finance system is working, and how well Public Financing systems theres a whole sort of body of policy documents and case law that have sort of made some changes as to how people are looking at Public Financing, so we really need to look at how our systems working in the current sort of regime that exists. We certainly have a number of localities to look at to see which and how certain other systems are operating, and so again, i think we need to really get into that. Its an important issue, in addition to sort of the what people call the supply side restrictions of Campaign Finance, restricting peoples dollars into the system. We have to sort of reduce the demand fore thos demand for those dollars, and one way you do that is by having a Public Finance system back abundant. And again, any direction related as to how these item sit is much appreciated. President keane so commissioner. Commissioner chiu so just to my fellow commissioners, we started tonight with a policy agenda, and weve made progress against some many of these items, and that lots of things come up in the interim, so i think it would be helpful to me, and also, what i think i hear from staff asking to is for a lot of these things coming at coming out unexpectedly as things in life always do, but we are we have finite resources and finite time. We only meet 11 times a year, so what are the what are those what are those policy matters that are top priority i think is the question that staff was asking us. So i think it would be a great opportunity now since we have new items, old items, its the end of the calendar year and that were heading into a new year next year to get clear on what you know, how do we want to be spending our time . Yes, thank you, commissioner. That is well said. And again, i know im sort of belaboring some of these points here, but i just want to run through these sort of recently identified projects on page 4 here. These have been recently identified or theres been requests for staff, again to sort of use their limited resources to evaluate some of these other proposals. So again, the social media and Election Integrity item, thats something that supervisor kim addressed. Commissioner chiu has expressed, commissioner lee has expressed an issue in this item. Its something thats very apparent as a current item in front of everyone, so its certainly something that is important to everyone that we need to continue to evaluate. Something that was asked about last time was the misuse of Public Financing funds. Weve had a number of conversations internally about this. There are a number of laws that currently exist requiring the auditing thats required to be placed on publicly financed candidates, so again, i think we need to continue to review whether we need to go forward with a a any provision in addition to what we have now to just ensure that there isnt any duplication that has been addressed that has been a concern of the commission. So question, if i may. President keane yes. Kyle, in regard to these specific items, c2 on page 4. Yeah. Is that something that wocod be rolled into a broader Public Finance review and assessment that could incorporate looking into these issues . Yes. I think thats appropriate. As youll see in our recommendation, youll thank you for pointing it out specifically. Yes. I think its an item that may largely be already addressed, but i think we would want to do a fuller evaluation, but i think appropriately as you stated on the specific narrow issue for looking broadly at Public Finance, it would be incorporated broadly into that public review. Yes. Another sort of similar issue here going on that was raised at the last meeting was the prohibition on what are known as the cashout pros. The board of supervisors as you know when we addressed this previously had an ordinance in front of them. They voted that down. We were asked to re sort of evaluate what we could do here, but in our evaluation, in reaching out, weve been informed that they do have a policy on this item. It is still an important issue that may warrant further action, but i think it would perhaps behoove us to set aside some time for further review with the mocd people to further clarify what is on the books now and what we can do, if anything, Going Forward. So i think thats staffs recommendation is to set it aside but maybe have a subset of the commissioners sort of sit down with mocd and other interested parties and flush out sort of any additional items that are necessary for this matter. The two remaining items were also proposed last time, the Sunshine Ordinance Task force removal. Staff before you get to that sure. I note this paragraph, quoting the office of housing and community development. I would like a copy of that what is it . A memorandum or a letter . Email . Yeah, well call it we will call it its less informal than a letter. Its a statement of sorts. I place less credence in that. I want to see it. Fair enough. Okay. So just quickly, the last two items. They were proposed last time. Wed like wed like further direction on this, just, you know, with the number of items, again, that we have in front of us. There was a request for to for a kyle, if i can, on those last two items. Yes. If we could just, for a moment, address the second one first, because i have a personal specific reason in terms of my schedule. Your recommendation on the discussion about an independent city attorney, that that be discussed at our december 2017 meeting. We the special calendar that was set last year and because of the holidays coming up, the Christmas Holidays coming up, we dont meet on our regular date. Our regular date for meeting is december 18th at 1 00 p. M. Im unavailable then, and i definitely want to be in on this discussion, so if its okay, id like that recommendation regarding the city attorney, that we discuss that at our january meeting rather than our december meeting. Well, wait. Arent we having a tuesday meeting in december . No, no, were having aymo a monday yeah, monday. What time . Its a special time. Oh. It was a special meeting set on last years calendar to accommodate, and im not available. All right. So you want to put it over, and thats, what, january. Whatever that january meeting is, thats fine with me. Fourth monday. Oh, thats right. January 12th. January 12th . Thats fine. Okay. Is that okay, commissioners, that we do that in january . Okay. Now, you can go back to, kyle, that first one. What about the other one . What do the sunshine ordinance . You say table or set aside, what do you mean, set aside . You mean table, as in bury is . Well, i think its if were going to consider what all the current things, theres a large and comprehensive review that needs to take place for that, and considering the other okay. Necessary projects, im not sure. So do you want to kick it over to january . I dont know if we have a timetable for this item. Lets not do january , because i think the discussion relating to the city attorney, thatll probably take up quite a bit. All right. How about february. I mean, youre getting close now to the june primary. I think we would like the commissions policy take on it, honestly. Well i think commissioner kopp, the reason we made the recommendation that we did is because we do unbalance all the other items that we need to tackle, and theyre very substantive and complex matters. In order to do those justice, taking on number four would really threaten our ability to do that well, so we again, as a staff recommendation for you all to react to and have a different view about it, if you think, is that we dont think this should take priority over those other issues, and we want the commissions sense over time about where you all as a body see the priority nature of this item, given everything that we need to be tackling. Well, whats the deadline to submit matters to the registrar of voters . I believe for is it february for the june ballot . Yes. February for the june ballot. So what youre doing is killing this until possibly november , and thats satisfied. I think this, mr. Chairman, ought to be on the january calendar, and the way that miss pelham is scheduling these matters, its for discussion and or vote, correct. Yes. Again, its up to the commissioner direction as to what you would like to see. So i have a process direction to the city attorney. As this item is agendaized, is it and i think staff is asking for policy direction, so could we discuss im assuming the answer is yes, but i wanted to clarify. Could we discuss, as a body, whether or not as a policy matter we wanted to pursue this item now . We dont have to wait until the january meeting to discuss it . Well, i mean, it sounds like the questions are sort of how you want to proceed from a priority perspective, so you know, i think you could give advice about how how you wanted staff to, you know, to prioritize the different item. , and i think also, just some substantive discussion, as well. Thank you. So if we could, you know, on this item you know, commissioner kopp, im not sure what the genesis of this proposal is. Well, ill tell you what it is. Its a duplicate agency. Its a reason the city has a record budget of 10, 600,000000, and it cams some five years after the voters established this commission because of the then supervisor didnt trust the Ethics Commission, he told me, which is not a strong reason to create another bureaucracy. So thank you for that. So in considering this, however, i think that the Sunshine Ordinance Task force conducts a body of work which i think is very important to the city in hearing the issues raised by the citizens. And that the removal or the abolition of the task force doesnt make that work go away, and i dont think our staff is equipped with the resources to be able to take on that work. And to go to the voters, so ask them to amend is this a Charter Amendment or would this be just a ballot measure. It would be an administrative code. Okay. So it would be a ballot measure to address the the duplicative nature of bureaucracy. I dont know that that is the highest and best use of our good will, if you will. Well, then, prepare the legislation. Its responsibility is the same as one of our responsibilities, which was enforcement of the government code of the state of california al california, and enforcement of the ordinances of the city and county of San Francisco. What do you need more agencies for . So if more staff is needed, thats part of the budget for the fiscal year 2019. I think that given the other matters before us as a commission and a staff, this is the lowest priority in my in my in my view, and i wouldnt support putting time and resources into it because i dont know, like, what what would it accomplish if we did this . Commissioner kopp it would allow this commission to vote on whether to submit abolition to the voters of San Francisco with some of the reasons that i just set out and others. I think that as a practical matter, i dont think that you can that it would be wise to submit something to the voters and say lets take it away without providing something in in commissioner kopp yeah, you can have a sentence saying all duties performed by this commission or whatever its called, task force, shall continue to be enforced by the Ethics Commission of the city and county. President keane commissioner, commissioner kopp, with all due respect, i think i have to agree with commissioner chiu for other reasons, and that is, im no fan of the Sunshine Ordinance Task force. I think having seen it in action, i think its pretty dreadful up close and personal, and i agree with you that many of the things that it does are probably duplicative of what were doing. At the same time much of the stuff that from what weve heard that it does take on is stuff that if they were done away with, we would wind up getting it. And to be as polite as possible about what ive seen about the things that they have on their plate for the most part, its 90 of it is burepure thats a legal term. President keane yeah, thats a legal term, and i would hate to try and have to impose that on our staff, no matter how much the city is unfortunate to have this this creature that would this hydro headed creature that was created back in the 90s by a couple of your former colleagues. Commissioner kopp no, no. It came after me. President keane after. Commissioner kopp related to a former mayor of San Francisco. President keane so i find myself agreeing with commissioner chiu on this, that thats not something that really, we should get into or take on. And thats not a place id want to go, any way, and im commissioner kopp all right president keane you want to put it on a vote. Commissioner kopp all right. I read the tea leaves, and i will subside. President keane thank you. Commissioner kopp for now. President keane all right. Thats all i have. I guess if theres any other points of sort of direction or or orders of priority that youd like to see addressed, as far as [ inaudible ] yes, so i guess we would suggest that you adopt the recommendations as we have in here, i guess, if youre going to take a vote on the matter, the recommendations that weve provided, just in terms what well move forward with. [ inaudible ] yeah, with the amendments that have been proposed, just because of regarding the meeting times. [ inaudible ] so just to my fellow commissioners and to the staff and to the public, for me, i think that the social media and Election Integrity policy item is is, i think, really important because supervisor kim talked today about the importance of not looking backwards but looking forwards, and this was the scene in the conversations that we had last week or the week before with ann revell, who the the former s. E. C. Director. I really believe with the advent of social media and the targeting and the specificity with which campaigns or hackers or you know, others can send out inform and send out messages and influence, and that we have no idea that its happening, that we have no record of such of those communications or of those ads, and i think that this is a problem that we have just recently discovered in as an issue for our our national election. But i believe that it is only going to grow, and i feel like we as a commission are very uniquely positioned to study this issue to invite Public Comment to invite, you know, stakeholders because i think we all have a stake in this, all of us who vote. Because the information that we get is only as clear and transparent as the disclosure that comes with it. We know where its coming from and whos paying for it, and the immediacy of social media it powerful, and it doesnt take a lot of money to reach a lot of people. So to me, i think this is kind of a Burning House that i would i think we should turn or attention to, you know, with with all deliberate speed, as the saying goes. So i would, you know, just ask for your consideration that we do proceed with the recommendation on item number c1 for an update at the december meeting, in addition to the balance of the recommendations of staff. So i think, just to reclarify it, the motion would be all the recommendations with the amendment to section c, item 5, and moving that item back to january , correct, commissioner . President keane thats right. Commissioner chiu yes. President keane okay. Is that that seems to be the sense of the commission, so thats what well do. The commission isnt required to act. I think were looking for your policy direction. Youve been clear on it, so theres no need to take objection. Take Public Comments . President keane yeah, well take Public Comment now. Id say just lastly because supervisor kim is also considering social mediatype regulation, i also dont want that train to leave the station without our input. Larry bush, friends of ethics. A comment on the Sunshine Task force, one of the things thats going to have to happen is a rewriting of the sunshine ordinance because it calls for one of the appointees of the task force to come from the new american me