Driveways. We are looking at maps yesterday where theres new construction right next to a home that has a downward sloping driveway and that person is experiencing significant flooding and the one next door has a driveway that slopes up to the home and. I think there are more Affordable Solutions than making the sewer up to a hundredyear capacity that would affect the rate payers dramatically. If you are talking about a three or 400 million upgrade for one system to even get it to a 25year storm versus doing raising the foundations or the driveways or 50 or 60 homes, you are talking about saving millions and millions of dollars. So, maybe a 20 million project for 50 or 60 homes versus 400 million. That is a lot of savings but it is real. I think we need to move quicker. We have had early conversations with contractors this is what they specialize in. I think we need to get i would request the puc to put together a request for information, rfi, get a qualified list of people together. We can build out a scope of work. You all are the experts. Lets come up with a cost estimate because we are getting into the rainy season again and i know from talking to these folks it just builds tremendous anxiety and stress because they know their homes are going to get flooded. They are not hoping for no rain in a drought and we had that for a couple of years and there wasnt anything. But, you know, 2 00 a. M. Beginning of this year, there was five minutes of dramatic rain and my phone started ringing off the hook at 3 00 or 4 00 in the morning and i know supervisor sheehy was down there in the early a. M. And the water stays there for a while. Im glad we are pushing caltrans. I know initially they didnt want to continue to investigate looking at reengineering and having some flood mitigation at the end of cuyoga. I understand that it is a little bit slower to work between interdepartmental agreements. But i think we just need to do everything we can to move quicker at this point. Lets have a firm date on the rfi. Lets have some cost estimates and then work with the folks in the audience that have identified they can tell you exactly the 50 or 60 homes. I dont want to get into semantics. But if two feet of flooding is happening in my home versus three feet and you are going to say no for the two feet, that just doesnt seem fair. I think at some point if theres flooding in the home and the property is being dodammed, we have to figure damaged, we have to figure out a strategy to mitigate that. This is many, many years of buildup in terms of the infrastructure and design. That is not pointing fingers at any of you. But there are billion dollars projects all over the city and then you have one part of the city that has water coming up to peoples car door. It feels unfair. So, i think that it is important we move aggressively at this point. You have had time to put together a plan. Maybe it is rebuilding barriers and moving driveways. Lets move aggressively so we are not here next year right when the raining season is going to start and people are feeling that anxiety again. So, if you can give us an idea. Maybe director kelly can come up and say what it would take in terms of a time frame. What would be a reasonable amount of time to come up with an rfi. And im talking about the extreme before selling the home. People dont want to sell their homes. Lets talk about the extreme of raising the foundation and what that would cost and a time frame for that. So, our plans are we recognize first of all that approachi approaching homeowners, low income. We are trying to develop the Grant Program to make it easier for them. So, we are putting out a request for interest on designers and contractors. And so, hopefully by the end of this movant, we will have a list. However, if the applicant is familiar with their own designer or contractor, thats fine as well. We want to make sure that they understand the types of options that are out there and work with the designers and contractors to achieve that. So, the plan is that probably in two, three weeks we are going to go out with that. Great. We are just going to put a quick rfi and make sure people are bonding and insurance. So, we are going to move forward with that. What is important is we are going to provide these options and we are going to let people know. It is really really depends on them filling out the application and taking the initiative that, yes, we want to, you know, utilize the Grant Program and be in the program. I would just say to go back on that point. Some of the organized neighbors have an entire list, phone numbers, addresses, emails. I think that would be a good place to start. Then some of them are attorneys. They can help with filling out the applications for those that might not be as familiar with that process. I think it would be a clab rotive collaborative effort. Some people are intimidated by that. Im sorry to interrupt. If theres any feedback, we want everyone to participate. We want to try to make sure that they participate so we can reduce the risk of their homes flooding. We would like everyone participate because even if we were to go from a fiveyear to a tenyear, some of these areas when it goes beyond that will still flood. I think it is pru dent for everyone to take prudent for everyone to take us up on this program. I think theres going an upgrade over near the Farmers Market. How much pressure is that anticipated to take off of the area that floods on cuyoga . Do you know . The objective of that project is to meet our level of service and to minimize flooding from a fiveyear storm in that specific location. But it will have an impact on whats happening higher up along the cuyoga corridor. So, i think what the very preliminary modeling is showing is that by building the parallel sewer and increasing our capacity, that at the foot of cuyoga near 280, in that area, we would be looking at cutting flood depth in half in a 25year storm. Thats what the preliminary model is showing. But that project is still in very, very Early Development phases. It will be undergoing more detailed analysis. Thank you. Just one last question for director kelly. So, after the two or threeweek rfi process, how much time do you anticipate before work could potentially begin on some of those homes . I know you have to create the grant. Yeah. Right now they are actually applicants can apply. And for the dry wet proofing, they can apply. It is really a case by case situation. And thats why we would like to meet on site, look at because it is very Site Specific on what measures would actually work. So, you know, we are going to take it case by case on every one of the applicants. So, if we have 60 applicants, we plan to meet with each and every one of them. Thank you. Supervisor sheehy. A couple of things that i wasnt aware. What is this with what is the plan . I dont think that was really i think maybe supervisor safai has been informed about it. But the caltrans plan. What are you looking to do there . That project is at the culdesac of cuyoga, below rouso. I know the area well. I have been down there. So, what we would be proposing to do is to make maximum use of the caltrans property thats there. And right now the berm supports the highway. What we have to do first is build a structural wall to hold up the highway and that would allow us to remove the berm and regrade that area to create a depressed detention area so that the water when it floods has a place to go instead of just sitting in the street and sitting up against the berm and creating a pool there. It would move into the area that the berm now takes up and have a place to go. So, we would be regrading the street, regrading building the structural wall, regrading the property and then the water would be able to fill up and sit until the peak intense rainfall has passed. Whats the timeline on that . Thats not going to happen this year . No. No. I think if negotiations go well with caltrans, i if i remember correctly, the construction was in 2019 or 2020 to start. 2019 or 2020. You and i need to push them on that because they initially said no. And then i had a scheduled meeting with them on a whole host of issues in my district and thats when we reopened the conversation to say this is something we share a desire to push because this could help with the mitigation. Now they have been work for the last five months on creating the opportunity through an mou to work together. Caltrans is all about liability and doesnt want to do anything. Yeah. We sent the project concept to them early in 2017. And then they said no, we are not interested in the project. And then supervisor safai held a meeting and asked them to please work with us to consider it a little bit more carefully. And so now, we are in the negotiation phase. But they still havent done a detailed review. The mou defines their involvement in terms of even just reviewing the documents we submitted earlier this year. And then, what is the timeline for the almeny fix . That project is part of our Capital Program phase two. So, that is a little bit later in the 2020s. But i would to go back and give you an exact date. Ki follow up with you on i can follow up with you on that. So, the combination of those two elements, to what degree would that reduce the level of flooding . Our metric for flooding is our design storm which is a fiveyear storm. And theres no flooding in the upper cuyoga corridor. So, these no flooding in that culdesac in our design storm. So, we have to look at larger storms to understand what the benefit would be and i can get back to you and we can take a look at that and get back to you. I keep getting a sense that we are going to be spending a lot of money and im wondering and doing a lot of work raising houses. I just wonder having been down there immediately after and having seen the flood line, i just wonder if we are really getting to something that is really going to fix things. I look at the Grant Program and raising houses and doing, you know, wet and dry protection. Its just wiping it down, i know that it is just not attractive. And i understand. But it is just and i dont supervisor safai was mentioning is there any possibility, is there any real way to negotiate at least for that last block which is what i saw as being most dramatically hit to figure out a way to make people whole enough so the purchases could take place . Unless you are going to fundamentally change the way in which water moves through that, i just i just i just dont know. Raise a house three feet. I was seeing four or five feet of flooding. And being able to wipe down your walls and have your walls not be all funky, its still funky there. That entire block is funky. Im trying to put a very polite word on there. But i know for the residents, they would use much more extreme language and i can totally understand why they would. And i know a house on that block is for sale right now. At least it was yesterday. So, are there possibilities to like can we have one conversation please . So, we have definitely interested as an option of purchasing property. But we would have to, you know we are working with the City Attorney because we have to offer fair market value. And what we are intending to do is fair market value considering that if you were not in that lowlike area. And so, thats what we would offer someone. So, it would probably be more than they would actually sell because we are now saying you have to disclosure in that area. So, that was in the plan. So, it would have to be willing sellers. The other way is go Eminent Domain , which we didnt want to go in that direction. Because people like supervisor safai said, that there are so many folks who lived there for years. So, we are looking at every option possible. Because im just curious. Do we have a plan . Because it did seem like that that one block is like really bad. And somehow converting that into especially if we get the caltrans piece as well, might be able to alleviate some of the pressure on the houses upstream and maintain and sustain the neighborhood. Has there been any thought about looking to see if we could and again, this would have to be i understand with the willingness of the sellers. But when you start looking at various costs, this Grant Program is going to be expensive. You have to go in every year after the floods and try to make people whole. So, we pay costs not every year. But every time theres a big flood. Theres a cleanup. But is there a model if we could somehow have a conversation with the folks on that one block and take that space i didnt see any other way. I mean we will go we can do these grants and raise houses. But from everything i saw, the water comes up above that. And we are not going to get the caltrans space it sounds like for at least a couple of years. And then the alemany is more years down the road and we have human beings living with this situation. I think for them if they were to say to me i find this intolerable, i would certainly agree. Because what i saw was really, really, really im trying to keep the tenor down. Because i know people are so frustrated. It doesnt seem like we really have a plan within the next year or two that will solve the problem. And we are pouring money into it. And i feel these folks are my neighbors. Just because im at the helm doesnt mean i dont feel for them terribly. I feel like i can understand why blaine got so frustrated. Because we keep going around and around. But we never like say, okay, this is the way we are going to solve the problem. And i think we always try to put band aids on it. I understand we had this whole back and forth and we do need the cooperation of the community in order but either we have to build a new sewer, which seems unfeasible or it seems to me these just two choices. Either build a sewer or buy out the folks who are impacted. The way in which the whole thing flows if we are going to have a fix soon. Thats just my opinion. I dont know where the neighbors are on that. And i dont know what the conversations have been about. And it does sound like theres some progress in making fair market value. Actually what the house would be worth if it wasnt in this location. Because i dont want to see people pushed out of the city. Everybody here has helped build this beautiful city. But just hoping that we could have some sort of dialog that doesnt where people feel like we are getting somewhere. You know, you have to apply for a grant and have somebody come out and do work on your house and then at the end of the day, you are still going to have a couple of feet of flooding by all the things that i have seen that is going to be disgusting. I know you are trying to work your way through it because this is kind of novel. To the degree we can incentivize people, especially in the hardest hit blocks and maybe look at ways we could repurpose that land to take pressure off because otherwise it is like 50 or 60 houses. . You could really concentrate thats a natural low point. To have something that could maybe allow everybody else to have i dont know. I know im just kind of wandering around. But i feel peoples frustration. I know the pressure you are under because at the end of the day, some things cost you look at the long run if we could somehow solve for this soon, i think we would end up better off for rate payers and better off for the neighbors. I would definitely i definitely understand your frustration. I remember early this year we called you and we went down there. And i agree. It is really a bad situation. So, thats why, you know, we are, like we said, are working with caltrans to try to do that. We thought it would be a quicker fix. And then we have the alemany with the Farmers Market will alleviate that. Meanwhile, the challenges even if we do that work, if we get a hundredyear storm, it is going to be the same situation. You have to start adapting. We can spend as much money, but you are going to have a bigger storm. And so, the question is, when we our system tried to collect as much water it never floods when it doesnt rain. Dont see raw sewage come out when it duvents rain. You only doesnt rain. You only get it when you get these flash events. It was like 15, 20 minutes it just downpoured. And kwhaps is so much what happens is so much water comes in and the system is pressurized. It goes out the manholes because it is so much water trying to get in there. High School Highly pressurized. And the reason it pops out the manholes, which we want it to, because if it didnt, it would blow out your home toilets. It is a challenging system. But, ultimately, those are our customers and we are trying to do what we can. Going back to your point is we are definitely open to purchasing property. Especially in that area. We are going to look at the properties that are currently up and we will probably have a conversation with those folks in the area and see what options would be best suited for them. Supervisor fewer. Thank you. Thank you very much. So, this is completely overwhelming. I just have some questions, but i do think that this is at a level now which is so severe and because we have seen nationwide flooding and also natural disasters that we didnt think we would see in a thousand years. So, when we hear a fiveyear estimate, im just thinking a fiveyear storm, we are preparing for that, which is 1. 3 inches in three hours. I dont know. Im sort of thinking myself, mr. Kelly, that the topography and the raising of the housing, the house next door, you fix the driveway. That one next door is not flooding. But how do we know it wont . I think when we had the first presentation here, we spoke a lot about the topography of San Francisco where these natural areas where they flood. And i think that so, some of the questions i have are we have certain areas we have designate, cuyoga, folsom and others as being the most severe. Is that correct . These are the three areas we have talked about. Yeah. Part of the presentation we identified the lowlying areas which were formerly creeks and marshes. We pointed out if we were to make Capital Investments what the cost would be. Economical. Yeah. So, then im wondering do these homeowners ever ask for a reimbursement on the damages and if we have had that throughout the years and what is that amount of money that we pay out . So, i think that i guess the way that i would respond to that is that for a storm event larger than our sewer can handle and you live in a lowlying area, i think the city can do what it can do. But, i dont know if we are totally responsible for alleviating flooding from ever happening to everyone. Like in houston. The city is not paying everyone for the system. The system performed as designed. It is just Mother Nature. And thats where you have insurance. So, one of the things that we are asking folks to also do is have Flood In