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Rehabilitation. So 10 of the total number, which at some point will grow to about 100 million a year . Yes. And you set 80 million for prop a dedicated toward middle income. Correct. And you listed out about 37 million that was spoken for. Where is the other 43 million . So for the 80 million, it includes production for the rental side as well as Home Ownership assistance. So that includes the dolp and tntd program. So what about the project you mentioned the project out in the sunset, teacher housing. Is that the one for 28 million . Yes, correct. Okay. So the 43 million, the delta cannot be going just to downpayment loan assistance so, there are probably other projects in the pipeline. Weve done one issuance for the prop a funds. And weve allocated the funds for both the teacher Housing Project and 88 broadway and then on top of that, we have allocated funds for downpayment assistance and teacher next door program. Well have two other issuances for the bond. So we havent expended the 80 million. So more money could be issued . Yes. Were at about 30 million. Well take Public Comment in a minute, but i want to get planning back up. In the production slide, you said, whats going to be produced, but how many in that pipeline is actually for middle income . It doesnt really say, unless im missing it. You are not missing it, supervisor. Hard to tell . Its too early to tell. We know of the units that are currently under construction or subject to Development Agreements what that is, but we havent had a chance to break it down the entire pipeline of the whole 60,000. Some of those we dont know because many thousands of those are in the process and havent had to declare yet or havent determined if its onsite, offsite. What would be good as a followup to have any idea. I will forget names, but i will remember numbers. Once you have something, if you can give me a number, what were expecting over the next number of years in the pipeline, that would be helpful. We can do that for you. And then there was another slide on arena targets, but it is hard to pull from that. What is the number that would be an appropriate number to fill the need . I guess its a question for both you and ted in terms of that missing middle. What is a number that we should be projecting toward in terms of how far to meet some of the shortfall . Well, if you are going strictly according to arena targets, if you combine 50 to 80 and 80 to 120 4102 and 4971 9,000 units. So were 9,000 units. For the current cycle. And up to 2022 . Correct. I dont have any additional questions. If its okay with the chair, we can open up for Public Comment. The well open up item 5 to Public Comment. Anyone wish to speak on this item . Please come forward. San Francisco Building and trades council. In a way, im going to be unhelpful, because im going to reiterate the problem. For a generation now, weve remarked on the outflow of our members from San Francisco. We have a consistent pipeline and have had a consistent pipeline, now fairly formalized from city build from other communities into our trades and we watch those workers as they come to a certain point in their careers, complete apprenticeships, and look for Better Living situations for them and their families and not find them here. I think, if anything, its anecdota anecdotal, if anything, the fact that were hearing that same sort of concern from oth other occupations now shows that the problem is spreading. Apart from the fact that you want to be able to call a plumber or electrician if you need one, i will remind you that in situations such as San Francisco will inevitably face, it will be helpful to have folks here that know how to use a cutting torch and handle heavy rigging and it will be great to have them living near the situations. I ask for your help addressing the problem. Why have any solutions for you, but i reiterate the problem. Thank you. Next speaker, please. Good afternoon, peter cohen, council of Community Housing organizations. Amy covered everything. I could not think of anything else in the suite of middleincome programs we have. You must have stolen my notes, amy. Thats what weve done. And i think its pretty impressive, but the difficulty weve always had over the years is the limits of resources, to be able to spread thinner and thinner and also the limitations of leveraging sources for missing middle incomes and supervisor safai, i think you know that. We talk about missing middle. Its a good narrative and i think we all believe in it. But its a big difference wean it is 70 to 140 . And different programs work well for different parts of that range. I would impress upon you to show what programs work well. We have a lot of trial and error. For example, supervisors peskin and safai, we really nailed on the ownership side the right ami levels because, as our Home Ownership counseling organizations know, theres a great absorption of entry level Ownership Opportunities between 70 and 140 . It has not worked as well above and below that. Its not to disparage, just a reality of how the programs work best. And to be thoughtful about the both and versus either or. Its problematic and political. Resources should be additive. Weve been fighting for that for years, adding to the stack and not being tempted to take from one and give to the other. I think were all beyond that, but a friendly reminder. Happy to work with you on more Creative Solutions including legislatively. Thank you. Next speaker. Supervisors, corey smith, if i can get the overhead. This is how just for the record these numbers are reported. You can see the three different numbers there. And were talking about different ami levels here, historically, that 80 to 100 level there 8 to 18 and were at 5 . So just really puts hopefully a fire under our butts in figuring this out and trying to make sure that we are finding solutions, both in the short term and the long term. I completely agree with peters comments here. We need to find additional Funding Sources, because were drastically underproducing at all levels. I also want to say that while we do need to be aggressive in our shortterm solutions, thinking longterm is not the worst thing in the world either. In that same spirit, we want to do both at the same time. I want to take a couple of quotes from the california legislative Analyst Reports with helping lowincome californians. It states that housing is less desirable as it ages. Housing that was considered luxury when it was first built declined to the middle of the Housing Market within 25 years. I know a couple of you have kids, 25 years from few, they may want to live here. In the effort to have shortterm solutions, lets not forget to keep building. We know that new Housing Construction eases the pressure on low and middleincome San Franciscos. Also the federal g. O. P. Senate tax plan and Funding Sources for this stuff is under attack and highly encourage everybody to reach out through the California Housing Partnership and reach out to senate house members in the house of rep thank you. Next speaker. Hi. Laura clark. I want to add a little more context to the rhna numbers. Those were developed when our jobs projections were low because we were having our jobs recession. So its important to realize that we should not necessarily be pinning our goals to the rhna numbers. They should be four times that. We should think about, when is housing affordable, when people are spending 30 of their income on rent. Our goals should be tied to the housing balance and the regional goals, that the entire region has fallen down and maybe that means we should do even more. We should not be stubborn and say, other people havent done their part, so we wont either. We should double down and say, people are desperate. We should build as much housing as we can. Are we going to subsidize all the way up to 150 of ami as our only solution for middle income . That does not seem reasonable to me. I would love to reveal prop 13 and spend all that money on middle Income Housing, but thats unlikely. If we as a city are saying the only way that middleincome people will be able to hold on in the city is by us subsidizing middle income, were looking at a failure of public policy. We need to be building a lot of housing. We need to flood the market with housing. And we need to realize, where is the missing middle . Its missing in the outlying neighborhoods. Its missing where we have constrained what were allowed to do by creep eighting lowdensity neighborhoods. We used to convert singlefamily homes into apartments. And now we dont allow that to happen. The adu legislation is a great start, but we need to upzone our neighborhoods. Neighborhoods need to build apartments. Those are less expensive. Thank you. Next speaker. Good afternoon. My name is georgia shootish. A couple of thoughts about how you could recapture housing. A vacancy tax. A luxury tax. That would give you money to produce more housing. A lot of people that own property dont like rent control, so they keep the property off the market. Its not right, but they do it. Is there a way to recapture some of that . Give a rebate for property tax, which everyone is downstairs paying now. How do you find if someone has left a unit or a house or several units vacant . You can look at the water bill to see what the how much water usage has been there. I think you would have access to that. Those are some ideas. There are 5,000 rental units out there sitting empty. Perhaps that would help the missing middle. Thats it. Any other members of the public wish to speak on item number 5 . Seeing none, Public Comment is closed. Supervisor safai . Councillor safai thank you, mr. Chair. One of the things that i wanted to ask maybe the planning department, because i heard in a couple of different Public Comments an idea we have a certain amount of funds set aside for aquisition in smallsites program and land. It would be good to know based on census data where some of the households are that you can look at and map and im sure that you have already done that where the missing middle or middleIncome Housing is beguning to target. One of the slides showed where smallsite is being utilized and it was center to eastern part of the city. And i know that that is not necessarily where all of the its based on the design of the program. And we started conversations with the Mayors Office of housing on that. We started that the other day about how we can tailor the program. Some of it is based on money, but i know the programs sweet spot is three, four units and above. Thinking about knowing where the households are would be hopeful. The reason i asked about prop a and prop c were not to criticize those programs. They were hard fought, that said where the priorities were. But its clear about 10 of prop c funds are targeted towards middleincome households and 80 million of prop a is toward middleincome households. Based on the 9,000unit number that you produced, there needs to be strong consideration for additional sources of revenue to add to some of the public speakers points. Its in addition to, not taking away of. So were not going to refight any of those battles. Were talking about how can we expand the pie to do that. I just wanted to ask the economist to come back up and speak a little bit more and answer a couple of questions. Ted, if you can, mr. Egan. So one of the things that is talked about one of your slides says the need the one on, where we have an abundance of work force and shortage of work force based on your projections. But i guess one of the things that i wanted to ask you to comment on on that particular slide was, even if we do have an abundance in that particular arena, skill shortages, even if we do have an abundance and a shortage in some ways, speak a little bit more what it means in terms of the housing and the connection of the housing. Even if we do have an abundance and there is that demand one of the things im hearing from the industry thats represented in this in terms of the abundance of skills is that theyre starting to come across a housing shortage making it harder to recruit in those are s areas. Can you talk about that . I think thats true. Given how quickly housing prices have risen in the last five years, companies plans from recruiting to come to San Francisco have to change very dramatically. And there are some types of companies that will not be able to pay the salary sufficient to attract people to move here to pay our housing prices or attract the talent they need locally. I think the point about the Tech Industry today, though is, yeah, its growing slowly here and costs are a part of that, but its slowly down across the country. It seems to have reached the end of one of its entrepeneur cycles. And who knows what the future holds in that. Theres another piece of the economy. The particular challenge is that virtually none of the jobs on the righthand side of the slide pay the salaries that the ones do on the left. So they will have it much harder to recruit people to fill those jobs, if people are not here in middle Income Housing in San Francisco already. In other words, trying to grow the middle income people here is a challenge because of the affordability problem were talking about. Councillor safai i appreciate mike appreciate that. Michael terio, i worked with, those in the Service Sector and trades, have seen their traditional neighbors where neighborhoods where housing was available to them, if they didnt purchase a home or werent here 20 or 30 years ago, the commute or Housing Available to them as shrunk or lengthened. So the commute has lengthened and Housing Available has shrunk. So that says a lot, serving in industries that are vital to San Francisco. I think it absolutely does. For a long time one of the saving graces of being in San Francisco is the ability to draw in labor from all over the bay area. To the extent were seeing the same thing happening across the bay area. You are running out of neighborhoods around the bay where you are able to find, you know, housing that is vacant thats affordable for them in middleincome occupations. The phenomenon we started to see in San Francisco in the erarly 1990s, now were seeing more. Yes, its certainly true that one of the costs imposed on middleincome people is a long commute. Now going into the Central Valley for a lot of people. But i think the more fundamental change is that we stop to see the jobs in the bay area at all because the costs are prohibitive. In certain sectors, there will always be a need for. Hospitality, you have to have folks working in the hotels and the restaurants. So the idea is, where does that work force come from and where do they live . Those businesses have to make it as businesses. The hotel rates in San Francisco are quite high. People are willing to pay a lot of money to San Francisco. And so that to some extent allows those businesses to support their workers. But theres a difference between i think its important to keep in mind in this the people that have housing and the next generation. One of the reasons that the housing burden numbers that i show are not as high as people might think is those are people that have been living in their house for a long time. If you have owned your house for a long time or in a rentcontrolled house for a long time, your housing costs may be managable, particularly if your income is going up as well. Trying to get someone to move to San Francisco and pay 3,700 or if their family changes and they need a bigger home, will they be able to find a place in the city or even nearby . I think thats the real challenge. So to some extent, industries that are competitive in this city, and we have a strong to tourism, can pay the wages, but i would not minimize the challeng challenges for the next generation. Councillor safai so we still rank at the top in terms of 1, 2, 3, in terms of the price per rental unit or housing unit . Commute is factors in. When i think of this i brought up the point about San Francisco being the second most densely settled, i relate it to new york, even though were not on the scale of new york city, but one of the things that new york city did 30, 40, 50, 60 years ago, they made a tremendous amount and a significant investment in subsidisu subsidized housing and i agree that part of the solution is creating more, but there is that build builtin percentage of their Housing Stock that is governmentowned. And thats a difference between san franciscan new york city. One of the ideas is, if you can expand the volume of subsidized housing or acquired housing, it can begin to change the course of the overall Housing Market. I think if you can do that at scale, thats true. New york city did that in the postwar decades. They built a lot of housing and a lot of it was subsidized. They had the same debates we had now about, yes, there is a lot of new housing, how how much of it is affordable for our work force . The main thing is, they grew a lot. They built a lot of transportation and built a lot of housing. When you do things at scale and subsidize at scale, it has a big impact. New york city was a very comfortable, middle class city up until, say, 1970s to 1980s, before it gets the same inequality that we see now in San Francisco. Councillor safai right. Its not unique to Home Ownership<\/a> assistance. So that includes the dolp and tntd program. So what about the project you mentioned the project out in the sunset, teacher housing. Is that the one for 28 million . Yes, correct. Okay. So the 43 million, the delta cannot be going just to downpayment loan assistance so, there are probably other projects in the pipeline. Weve done one issuance for the prop a funds. And weve allocated the funds for both the teacher Housing Project<\/a> and 88 broadway and then on top of that, we have allocated funds for downpayment assistance and teacher next door program. Well have two other issuances for the bond. So we havent expended the 80 million. So more money could be issued . Yes. Were at about 30 million. Well take Public Comment<\/a> in a minute, but i want to get planning back up. In the production slide, you said, whats going to be produced, but how many in that pipeline is actually for middle income . It doesnt really say, unless im missing it. You are not missing it, supervisor. Hard to tell . Its too early to tell. We know of the units that are currently under construction or subject to Development Agreements<\/a> what that is, but we havent had a chance to break it down the entire pipeline of the whole 60,000. Some of those we dont know because many thousands of those are in the process and havent had to declare yet or havent determined if its onsite, offsite. What would be good as a followup to have any idea. I will forget names, but i will remember numbers. Once you have something, if you can give me a number, what were expecting over the next number of years in the pipeline, that would be helpful. We can do that for you. And then there was another slide on arena targets, but it is hard to pull from that. What is the number that would be an appropriate number to fill the need . I guess its a question for both you and ted in terms of that missing middle. What is a number that we should be projecting toward in terms of how far to meet some of the shortfall . Well, if you are going strictly according to arena targets, if you combine 50 to 80 and 80 to 120 4102 and 4971 9,000 units. So were 9,000 units. For the current cycle. And up to 2022 . Correct. I dont have any additional questions. If its okay with the chair, we can open up for Public Comment<\/a>. The well open up item 5 to Public Comment<\/a>. Anyone wish to speak on this item . Please come forward. San Francisco Building<\/a> and trades council. In a way, im going to be unhelpful, because im going to reiterate the problem. For a generation now, weve remarked on the outflow of our members from San Francisco<\/a>. We have a consistent pipeline and have had a consistent pipeline, now fairly formalized from city build from other communities into our trades and we watch those workers as they come to a certain point in their careers, complete apprenticeships, and look for Better Living<\/a> situations for them and their families and not find them here. I think, if anything, its anecdota anecdotal, if anything, the fact that were hearing that same sort of concern from oth other occupations now shows that the problem is spreading. Apart from the fact that you want to be able to call a plumber or electrician if you need one, i will remind you that in situations such as San Francisco<\/a> will inevitably face, it will be helpful to have folks here that know how to use a cutting torch and handle heavy rigging and it will be great to have them living near the situations. I ask for your help addressing the problem. Why have any solutions for you, but i reiterate the problem. Thank you. Next speaker, please. Good afternoon, peter cohen, council of Community Housing<\/a> organizations. Amy covered everything. I could not think of anything else in the suite of middleincome programs we have. You must have stolen my notes, amy. Thats what weve done. And i think its pretty impressive, but the difficulty weve always had over the years is the limits of resources, to be able to spread thinner and thinner and also the limitations of leveraging sources for missing middle incomes and supervisor safai, i think you know that. We talk about missing middle. Its a good narrative and i think we all believe in it. But its a big difference wean it is 70 to 140 . And different programs work well for different parts of that range. I would impress upon you to show what programs work well. We have a lot of trial and error. For example, supervisors peskin and safai, we really nailed on the ownership side the right ami levels because, as our Home Ownership<\/a> counseling organizations know, theres a great absorption of entry level Ownership Opportunities<\/a> between 70 and 140 . It has not worked as well above and below that. Its not to disparage, just a reality of how the programs work best. And to be thoughtful about the both and versus either or. Its problematic and political. Resources should be additive. Weve been fighting for that for years, adding to the stack and not being tempted to take from one and give to the other. I think were all beyond that, but a friendly reminder. Happy to work with you on more Creative Solutions<\/a> including legislatively. Thank you. Next speaker. Supervisors, corey smith, if i can get the overhead. This is how just for the record these numbers are reported. You can see the three different numbers there. And were talking about different ami levels here, historically, that 80 to 100 level there 8 to 18 and were at 5 . So just really puts hopefully a fire under our butts in figuring this out and trying to make sure that we are finding solutions, both in the short term and the long term. I completely agree with peters comments here. We need to find additional Funding Sources<\/a>, because were drastically underproducing at all levels. I also want to say that while we do need to be aggressive in our shortterm solutions, thinking longterm is not the worst thing in the world either. In that same spirit, we want to do both at the same time. I want to take a couple of quotes from the california legislative Analyst Reports<\/a> with helping lowincome californians. It states that housing is less desirable as it ages. Housing that was considered luxury when it was first built declined to the middle of the Housing Market<\/a> within 25 years. I know a couple of you have kids, 25 years from few, they may want to live here. In the effort to have shortterm solutions, lets not forget to keep building. We know that new Housing Construction<\/a> eases the pressure on low and middleincome San Francisco<\/a>s. Also the federal g. O. P. Senate tax plan and Funding Sources<\/a> for this stuff is under attack and highly encourage everybody to reach out through the California Housing Partnership<\/a> and reach out to senate house members in the house of rep thank you. Next speaker. Hi. Laura clark. I want to add a little more context to the rhna numbers. Those were developed when our jobs projections were low because we were having our jobs recession. So its important to realize that we should not necessarily be pinning our goals to the rhna numbers. They should be four times that. We should think about, when is housing affordable, when people are spending 30 of their income on rent. Our goals should be tied to the housing balance and the regional goals, that the entire region has fallen down and maybe that means we should do even more. We should not be stubborn and say, other people havent done their part, so we wont either. We should double down and say, people are desperate. We should build as much housing as we can. Are we going to subsidize all the way up to 150 of ami as our only solution for middle income . That does not seem reasonable to me. I would love to reveal prop 13 and spend all that money on middle Income Housing<\/a>, but thats unlikely. If we as a city are saying the only way that middleincome people will be able to hold on in the city is by us subsidizing middle income, were looking at a failure of public policy. We need to be building a lot of housing. We need to flood the market with housing. And we need to realize, where is the missing middle . Its missing in the outlying neighborhoods. Its missing where we have constrained what were allowed to do by creep eighting lowdensity neighborhoods. We used to convert singlefamily homes into apartments. And now we dont allow that to happen. The adu legislation is a great start, but we need to upzone our neighborhoods. Neighborhoods need to build apartments. Those are less expensive. Thank you. Next speaker. Good afternoon. My name is georgia shootish. A couple of thoughts about how you could recapture housing. A vacancy tax. A luxury tax. That would give you money to produce more housing. A lot of people that own property dont like rent control, so they keep the property off the market. Its not right, but they do it. Is there a way to recapture some of that . Give a rebate for property tax, which everyone is downstairs paying now. How do you find if someone has left a unit or a house or several units vacant . You can look at the water bill to see what the how much water usage has been there. I think you would have access to that. Those are some ideas. There are 5,000 rental units out there sitting empty. Perhaps that would help the missing middle. Thats it. Any other members of the public wish to speak on item number 5 . Seeing none, Public Comment<\/a> is closed. Supervisor safai . Councillor safai thank you, mr. Chair. One of the things that i wanted to ask maybe the planning department, because i heard in a couple of different Public Comment<\/a>s an idea we have a certain amount of funds set aside for aquisition in smallsites program and land. It would be good to know based on census data where some of the households are that you can look at and map and im sure that you have already done that where the missing middle or middleIncome Housing<\/a> is beguning to target. One of the slides showed where smallsite is being utilized and it was center to eastern part of the city. And i know that that is not necessarily where all of the its based on the design of the program. And we started conversations with the Mayors Office<\/a> of housing on that. We started that the other day about how we can tailor the program. Some of it is based on money, but i know the programs sweet spot is three, four units and above. Thinking about knowing where the households are would be hopeful. The reason i asked about prop a and prop c were not to criticize those programs. They were hard fought, that said where the priorities were. But its clear about 10 of prop c funds are targeted towards middleincome households and 80 million of prop a is toward middleincome households. Based on the 9,000unit number that you produced, there needs to be strong consideration for additional sources of revenue to add to some of the public speakers points. Its in addition to, not taking away of. So were not going to refight any of those battles. Were talking about how can we expand the pie to do that. I just wanted to ask the economist to come back up and speak a little bit more and answer a couple of questions. Ted, if you can, mr. Egan. So one of the things that is talked about one of your slides says the need the one on, where we have an abundance of work force and shortage of work force based on your projections. But i guess one of the things that i wanted to ask you to comment on on that particular slide was, even if we do have an abundance in that particular arena, skill shortages, even if we do have an abundance and a shortage in some ways, speak a little bit more what it means in terms of the housing and the connection of the housing. Even if we do have an abundance and there is that demand one of the things im hearing from the industry thats represented in this in terms of the abundance of skills is that theyre starting to come across a housing shortage making it harder to recruit in those are s areas. Can you talk about that . I think thats true. Given how quickly housing prices have risen in the last five years, companies plans from recruiting to come to San Francisco<\/a> have to change very dramatically. And there are some types of companies that will not be able to pay the salary sufficient to attract people to move here to pay our housing prices or attract the talent they need locally. I think the point about the Tech Industry<\/a> today, though is, yeah, its growing slowly here and costs are a part of that, but its slowly down across the country. It seems to have reached the end of one of its entrepeneur cycles. And who knows what the future holds in that. Theres another piece of the economy. The particular challenge is that virtually none of the jobs on the righthand side of the slide pay the salaries that the ones do on the left. So they will have it much harder to recruit people to fill those jobs, if people are not here in middle Income Housing<\/a> in San Francisco<\/a> already. In other words, trying to grow the middle income people here is a challenge because of the affordability problem were talking about. Councillor safai i appreciate mike appreciate that. Michael terio, i worked with, those in the Service Sector<\/a> and trades, have seen their traditional neighbors where neighborhoods where housing was available to them, if they didnt purchase a home or werent here 20 or 30 years ago, the commute or Housing Available<\/a> to them as shrunk or lengthened. So the commute has lengthened and Housing Available<\/a> has shrunk. So that says a lot, serving in industries that are vital to San Francisco<\/a>. I think it absolutely does. For a long time one of the saving graces of being in San Francisco<\/a> is the ability to draw in labor from all over the bay area. To the extent were seeing the same thing happening across the bay area. You are running out of neighborhoods around the bay where you are able to find, you know, housing that is vacant thats affordable for them in middleincome occupations. The phenomenon we started to see in San Francisco<\/a> in the erarly 1990s, now were seeing more. Yes, its certainly true that one of the costs imposed on middleincome people is a long commute. Now going into the Central Valley<\/a> for a lot of people. But i think the more fundamental change is that we stop to see the jobs in the bay area at all because the costs are prohibitive. In certain sectors, there will always be a need for. Hospitality, you have to have folks working in the hotels and the restaurants. So the idea is, where does that work force come from and where do they live . Those businesses have to make it as businesses. The hotel rates in San Francisco<\/a> are quite high. People are willing to pay a lot of money to San Francisco<\/a>. And so that to some extent allows those businesses to support their workers. But theres a difference between i think its important to keep in mind in this the people that have housing and the next generation. One of the reasons that the housing burden numbers that i show are not as high as people might think is those are people that have been living in their house for a long time. If you have owned your house for a long time or in a rentcontrolled house for a long time, your housing costs may be managable, particularly if your income is going up as well. Trying to get someone to move to San Francisco<\/a> and pay 3,700 or if their family changes and they need a bigger home, will they be able to find a place in the city or even nearby . I think thats the real challenge. So to some extent, industries that are competitive in this city, and we have a strong to tourism, can pay the wages, but i would not minimize the challeng challenges for the next generation. Councillor safai so we still rank at the top in terms of 1, 2, 3, in terms of the price per rental unit or housing unit . Commute is factors in. When i think of this i brought up the point about San Francisco<\/a> being the second most densely settled, i relate it to new york, even though were not on the scale of new york city, but one of the things that new york city did 30, 40, 50, 60 years ago, they made a tremendous amount and a significant investment in subsidisu subsidized housing and i agree that part of the solution is creating more, but there is that build builtin percentage of their Housing Stock<\/a> that is governmentowned. And thats a difference between san franciscan new york city. One of the ideas is, if you can expand the volume of subsidized housing or acquired housing, it can begin to change the course of the overall Housing Market<\/a>. I think if you can do that at scale, thats true. New york city did that in the postwar decades. They built a lot of housing and a lot of it was subsidized. They had the same debates we had now about, yes, there is a lot of new housing, how how much of it is affordable for our work force . The main thing is, they grew a lot. They built a lot of transportation and built a lot of housing. When you do things at scale and subsidize at scale, it has a big impact. New york city was a very comfortable, middle class city up until, say, 1970s to 1980s, before it gets the same inequality that we see now in San Francisco<\/a>. Councillor safai right. Its not unique to San Francisco<\/a>, by any means, theres been a massive reurbanization of the cities around the united states, at least on the two coastals theres a number of cities with a similar pattern. The thing about San Francisco<\/a> is that our economy is so much hotter than other places its probably worse here than any other place. Councillor safai and our constraints. Thats why i brought up the 49, 47 square miles versus other places. So density and height has to be a part of this conversation. I agree with that and i would say its probably more than 49 square miles. Only 10 of the bay area lives in San Francisco<\/a>. Theres no reason that 10 should see itself as 100 of the solution. Councillor safai right, but thats what we have control over. Mr. Chair, i appreciate you taking the time. I would close by saying that it seems very apparent to me based on the numbers is one of the strongest solutions is the and, in terms of adding funding for this source. To reiterate for the record, the lowIncome Housing<\/a> tax credit goes up to the incomes up to 60 ami. Prop c Housing Trust<\/a> fund, 90 allocated to lowincome households, as a way to fill the loss of redevelopment agencies that was a number of people in the room and others were involved in that campaign and that was a big push in this city. And then prop a, most recently, more was set aside for middleincome households and i know well have our first educator Housing Project<\/a>, which is significant. So thats three or four different sources dedicated 80 to 90 for lowincome. So there seems to be a significant need and based on this information to push ahead on a conversation about how we can create new sources. I appreciate the presentation about some additional ideas in terms of property tax and averaging out state and federal help and happy to be involved in those conversations, particularly those that we have more control over, which is at the state level. Who knows. Maybe well be surprised at the federal level. It was Ronald Reagan<\/a> that created the lowIncome Housing<\/a> program, but tip oneal was in congress then and things were very different. Who knows if its a conversation to have. I know from being involved in a number of conversations, particularly one most recently, about the developer and the cost versus middleincome to lowincome. The tax credits and Tax Exemptions<\/a> given to lowincome are allocated allow a private developer it gives them more of an incentive or ability to create those, versus this group were trying to target. The subsidy is not there. So its more expensive to build those units in many ways and with less return than marketrate unit. And thats what a lot of investors and investments are based on. Well continue this conversation. I appreciate the chair hosting this and moving this conversation forward, and well work with these departments and members of the public to further an idea on how we can created a ages a create additional revenue. Councillor tang i wanted to say, maybe even a year or two ago, it was difficult to have this conversation, so i do want to thank supervisor safai and city staff for working on this. Its a real issue. We have the data to show its an increasing problem and were not here to take away housing from other people. Were trying to broaden the pot, as supervisor safai said. So i look forward to being engaged on this issue with all of you. Thank you, supervisor. Echo those comments as well. With that, a motion to file item 5. Councillor tang so moved. Okay. We take that without objection. Madam clerk, do we have any other business . Clerk that concludes our business for today. Thank you, everybody. Were adjourned. Can you please rise for the pledge of allegiance. [ pledge of allegiance. President turman okay. Clerk president ure man, id like to call roll. President turman okay. [ roll call. ] clrk clerk president ure man, you have a quorum. Also with us is the police chief and the interim director of accountablity, paul henderson. Thank you very much, secretary kilshaw. President turman members of the public, welcome to the december 6, 2017 session of the Police Commission<\/a> meeting. Well jump rite . Clerk item 1, request and file action. Request from the chief of police to accept 6,000 in gifd cards from target to help 40 under privileged and disadvantaged children. President turman commissioners, are there any questions or comments on this particular consent item . If not, ill move in favor. Move. All in favor . President turman any opposed. Thank you. Next item, please. Clerk [ inaudible ] presentation of safe place initiative. Good evening, chief scott. Good evening, commissioners. Commissioners, president ure man, Vice President<\/a> mazzucco. Ill start this week with crime and then talk about some significant events that have happened over the past week. Start off with our homicide rate. I know thats really been a huge issue for us this year. We are at 56 homicides year to date. Last year, we were at 50. We ended up 2016 with 58 homicides, so we have seen a downward trend in homicides in the last couple of months, and we are hoping that we can hold the ground to keep from having an uptick by the years end. In our sheetings, we are actually down 8. 4 from yeartodate. This time last year, we had 152 shootings year to date, last year, we had 166, so its about 15 less than this time last year. So again, thats a good sign, and i think weve deployed some Good Strategies<\/a> to try to keep the homicide rate at bay for the remainder of the year, so we have three weeks left to do that. There are some significant at least one significant. We had an arrest on a homicide that occurred on september 6th of this year. It was a stabbing, homicide with a knife. We had a suspect that was arrested on the 28th of november. His name it gregory speech. Hes an African American<\/a> male, 35 years of age. He was charged he was booked for 187 c murder and charged with that offense, as well. So that is good news to report, and hopefully, that case will be prosecuted successfully. There is actually there was one significant event and that was a shooting at the 1600 block of sunnydale. One male was shot with life threatening youries. He is expected to survive. This thing happened at about 7 22 in the evening on december the 1st, and we do believe there may be some gang involvement in this particular crime, and so our Gang Task Force<\/a> is investigating, and that happened in the i thingle district, and thats it for significant crime for the week. The most significant event weve had this week is an officerinvolved shooting that occurred this past friday, and ill read the details. On december 1st, 2017 at about 1 30 in the morning, San Francisco<\/a> officers responded to the 1800 block of 3rd street regarding a carjacking. A female lottery employee was assaulted and sustained nonlife threatening injuries during the lottery. A second vehicle observed as a gold suv was at the scene and is believed to be involved in the lottery. State Police Officers<\/a> saw the lottery vehicle and the suv traveling closely together in the bayview area district. The vehicle sped up and the vehicle was stopped in the area of ingelside and were detained. Officer pursued the suv and eventually an officer was involved in a shooting. Body cameras from the officers involved in this incident have been retrieved, and the area was canvassed for other video and evidence. The San Francisco<\/a> Police Department<\/a> robbery detail investigating the carjacking and the robbery, and the San Francisco<\/a> Police Department<\/a> homicide detail, along with the San Francisco<\/a> District Attorneys Office<\/a>, the San Francisco<\/a> Police Internal<\/a> Affairs Division<\/a> and the office of police accountablity, and the office of the chief medical examiner were also called to investigate this incident. Anyone with any information about this incident is asked to call the sfpd tip line or text a tip to tip411, and begin the message with sfpd. You may remain anonymous. Tomorrow, we will have our town hall meeting at 1800 oakdale. Itll be at 1 00 in the afternoon involving our practice at town hall, which we try to have it at the same time the shooting occurred, unless it happened in the morning, so we will have that at 1800 oakdale, and its open to the public. Police, im going to ask you to schedule that town hall to sometime in the evening. 1 00 p. M. Will not give the public enough time to attend that meeting, especially in the middle of the day. So please work with your staff to come up with a 5 00 or 6 00 p. M. Start time, please. We will fulfill that request but it might put it off to another day. President turman i would rather put it off to another day than not have the public have access, so thats fine. And the other events this week is Traffic Safety<\/a> operation plan for president turman could you hold one second before you go further, chief. Commissioner d commissioner dejesus, is this along the same line of what you just said yes. I think its important that the community and the public be able to go, and so id ask that it be moved from 1 00 in the afternoon. President turman thank you. Chief of police, please proceed. Thank you. The police will conduct a Traffic Safety<\/a> operation on december 12th, 15th, 18th, and 28th that will focus on bicycle and pedestrian safety. Over the past three years, the department has identified areas where significant numbers of pedestrian and bicycle related collisions have occurred and responded by deployed additional officers to those areas in an effort to prevent deaths and injuries. Special attention will be given focus on the following allegations speeding, failing to signal for righthand turns, as well as any other dangerous violations, and that is the my report for this week. President turman thank you, chief. Did you want to call the next item on your list, chief . Yes. So we have commander david lozar who will make the next presentation. President turman good evening, commander. Good evening. Members of the commission, chief scott, im david lozar from the police chief commission. Im here to speak to you and present to you a new program and initiative that were initiating in the San Francisco<\/a> Police Department<\/a> called the Safe Place Program<\/a>, and officer navarros going to get that up on the screen here. So briefly, ill just give you the background what our objective is, the implementation and our key points, our goals, and plans moving forward with the Safe Place Program<\/a>. So a little bit of on the background is that theres an officer by the name of james ritter in the seattle Police Department<\/a>, and in 2015, he created the Safe Place Program<\/a> in seattle, and it was essentially created to address the Lgbt Community<\/a> issues president turman weve had this part of the presentation. Can you get to what were doing . Yes. Okay. Heres our plan, and i just will say this in 2013, the San Francisco<\/a> Police Department<\/a> under chief sur started a similar initiative, but it was just relegated to police stations and the will Lgbt Community<\/a>. Were starting this in january. Well have an officer who was be engaged in the liaison division. Were going to message this program through bill boards and press conferences and social media and any way possible to get the word out. Weve created our own symbol to recognize San Francisco<\/a> safe place initiative. Thats new branding decals, but a 6 by 6 sticker on the window. Anyone whos willing to participate, theyll get a little bit of training and well be grateful for their assistance with the public. As you know, the goal is to help the public, anybody is in need of police services, if theyre fearful, if they need help, they will see this sticker, they will see this symbol, and they know they can go into a business and be helped. Our phases will be in four phases. One will be schooled, followed by community facilities, followed by businesses, followed by faithbased organizations, and of course were rebranding our own brand. Is essentially, the plan, were going to exceed the seattle Police Department<\/a>s model. Were redesigning the logo. Our Pilot Program<\/a> will begin on february 1st, 2018, in the mission and the bayview districts, and then, based on surveys, and our interaction with the public, well make adjustments to the program and essentially roll it out citywide by the fall of 2018. In terms of the Community Engagement<\/a> division and the tasks, were going to look for Grant Funding<\/a> and other federal grants and donations to roll this out. Were going to do internal training with the department by putting out a bulletin, letting every Police Officer<\/a> know that we have this program. Were going to work with our Community Officers<\/a> at mission and bayview. We need their support and officers and buyin to roll this out in two districts, and were going to have the officers on foot beats and have every officer we can to promote the program. Each station will be marketed, and were going to get Success Stories<\/a> on how it works. Well put it on our department website, and well promote it any possible way that we can. I know tonight i thanked you for approving the 6,000 grant from target. Thats for another program, but target now has agreed to provide 2,500 to help us kick this program right away. Thatll be a consent item that comes to you down the road for approval. On the last page, id like to reference the decal, if you have it in your handout. Thanks to officer Yolanda Williams<\/a> and tory grady. Each part of the star has a symbol compassion, justice, honesty, integrity, respect, and this purple star will be placed, four by six decal, in the windows of these businesses. Were very excited to roll this program out. Last note, id just like to note that we made changes to this presentation and powerpoint from the original one. Its been amended for the public that may have received it on the internet when the Commission Posted<\/a> it last friday, and with that, ill take any questions that you may have. President turman commander lozar, i want to say, i meant no disrespect. Its just im sick and ive got a long agenda. I just want to get this. Its okay. President turman commander lozar, thank you for your dedicationtu dedication. President turman chief, do you have anything you want to say . I just wanted to say i thank officer lozar for putting this together. I just want to say i am so grateful that i am to have a program of this type in the city and keecounty of San Francisco<\/a>, and i assure you were looking forward to making this a model that other cities will also want to tailor. President turman thank you very much. It should also be known that we took seattles program and modelled it outwards. Thank you for taking the first step. Thank you so much for your hard work. Commissioners, do you have any comments . Commissioner melara officer lozar, ive been waiting for this for a long time. I was involved in the initial conversations with the seattle program, and so i want to extend my help because when i we started talking about this here, bank of america, whos very involved in seattle, and has expressed interest in contributing here, so id ask you to follow up. Thank you. President turman commissioner dejesus. So thank you for expanding it. This just for lgbt or anyone . Its for anyone. Anyone who needs possible assistance, they need help. Theyll see this and know they can go into a business or school or faithbased organization, and theyll know they can get that, so were promoting that. I think its a great idea, and im looking forward to seeing it put out there. Thank you. Thank you very much. President turman all right. Chief . Commissioner, that is all of the chiefs report. President turman dont you have one more on the or is that on a separate line item . I think thats on a separate line item. President turman thank you so much. All right. Inspector sergeant kilshaw. Report on present dpa announcements, report on the 2017 statistical reports, presentation of cases received, mediations and complaints, adjudication of sustained complaints for october 2017, and companion reports. President turman director henderson, we have your reports, and we have had a chance to read them. What else can you offer in your reports. I presume you dont want me to read them line by line. They are scintillating. Understood. But you also have the monthly stats, and you also have the Third Quarter<\/a> october 2017 reports. I will point out just the highlights of these things, the three cases where discipline was imposed on cases investigated by the dpa this month were also consis tetent,d we agreed with the discipline administered by chief scott. There was a lot of discussion about the cases last month that we did not agree, so i just wanted to point that out. President turman good. I will say in the last year, we received 380 cases and closed 545 cases. At the end of the Third Quarter<\/a>, moving to the Third Quarter<\/a> report, the highlight is the 270 cases remain pending, compared with 418 cases that were pending in the last Third Quarter<\/a> of 2016. The other highlight combining the information from these two reports is that 55 of the cases were sustained in the Third Quarter<\/a> of 2017, compared to 43 in 2016. Theum other informati the only other information i want to share is weve reopened the final negotiations with the District Attorneys Office<\/a> for ongoing negotiations. Ill keep you updated as we moving along. T weve introduced software to our office for better Customer Satisfaction<\/a> from the community, and weve also started with our public records training so that all staff will now be trained in terms of how to accommodate and respond to inquiries that come from the public. Our new computers are out. That training is take is place. Also present with me today is senior investigator sarah monder, and my chief of staff, sarah hawkins, and they are available if questions come up during the meeting that they can respond to. Thats it. President turman commissioners, any questions for director henderson . Commissioner dejesus i just wanted to say, we talked about the training fund, its a little bit low for your investigators, and so im wondering if you can just speak to that. Sure. Its one of my top priorities. The training budget allocated for the department is 4,000. Thats about three books these days. And the work that the investigators need to do, the work that the lawyers need to do, the work that our policy people need to do really means that they have to be exposed to a broad number of current topics in order for us to follow and define best practices, so one at the very top of my list of priorities, when i meet with the budget team, and i start meeting with them next week, is to address the training budget. Up to now, weve been addressing that by having and making calls, and having friends coming to do the training, but thats going to run out, and im going to need funding to get the training going. Ill keep you upgadated, but ie already spent my 4,000. In the first three days, i spent it. Thank you. President turman all right. Any other questions for the director . President turman commissioners, do you have any reports . Commissioner merle . Commissioner melara yes. Not sure if that falls under that or their future scheduling for the commission. President turman are you asking for something to be scheduled . Commissioner melara yes. President turman then it falls under future scheduling. Commissioner melara okay. President turman commissioners report. Clerk item 2d, scheduling of announcements, and announcements of items introduced at future meeting. President turman commissioner merle . Commissioner melara just to ask that the cid policy, the new draft be sent to the commission and be scheduled for the january meeting. President turman any other any other scheduling requests . Secretary kilshaw. Clerk commissioner, we have Public Comment<\/a> on items 2a through d. President turman members of the public, is there any comment on item 2a through d . Good evening, commissioners. Im not sure, in your report, did you talk about the fatal officerinvolved shooting . Okay. So id like to last week, when i was here at the last meeting, i brought up the report of the civil grand jury on fatal officer involved shooting and all the recommendations that the grand jury made, and i would like to submit this to you and ask that you agendaize this for future meeting, that you talk about what is the implementation status of the grand jury recommendations, and we ensure that the investigation of this officer involved shooting is in compliance with the grand jury recommendation. President turman any other Public Comment<\/a> on items 2a through d . Good evening, officers. I would like to also address the killing that happened. You know, theres a line from a bob dylan song. Steal a little, and they put you in jail. Steal a lot, and they make you king. In this case, steal a little, and they kill you. You know, were dealing with a lot of poverty and a lot of tragedy, and i dont think someone carjacking, suspected carjacker deserves to be killed. They say that they dont know if he had a weapon yet, or theyre not reporting yet, but they kind of know that its always reported if they do, so this seems like another tragedy that wasnt necessary, and i think we need to think about why people are stealing, and why were living in such desperate times. True tragedy, and i feel like we need to really work on i mean, if that was your mother or brother, would that policeman have shot to kill . How come we never hear about people getting wounded, taken down by being shot in the leg or in the hip or anywhere that doesnt kill them . I feel very sad about this happening again, and i want you to consider that were living in very difficult times, and stealing is not a death sentence, and its no duty of an officer to determine guilt and to therefore kill someone. Well, he stole a car, and therefore, the officer had to kill him. Its not simple whats happening in this world. Its a tragedy, actually. Thank you. Any other comments on items 2a through d . Okay. Seeing none, Public Comment<\/a> is now closed. Secretary kilshaw, next item. Clerk general Public Comment<\/a>. The members of the public are free to comment on items that do not appear on tonights agenda. Under Police Commission<\/a> rules of order during Public Comment<\/a>, neither Police Commission<\/a>ers no, sir officers are required to answer, and should refrain from entering into any debates or conversations with speakers in Public Comment<\/a>. Comments are limited to three minutes. President turman thank you, secretary kilshaw. Public comment on items not on the agenda. Good evening, mr. Sellhorse. Good evening. Happy holidays and all of that. Sergeant kilshaw, Police Commission<\/a>ers. I dont have anything prepared. I want to say a couple things. I dont have anything prepared, but i want to say i think the new chief is doing a much better jonathb than his predecessor. The officers just do their job like professionals are supposed to do it, and i thank our new chief. Hes done a great job in instilling a professional ethic in a department that has always been good, but has it a plhad of flaws under the previous administration, police chief sur. And if you dont think we have a problem, i invite you to look at whats happening now, peter strzok, and all those politicized agents. That was where we were going under chief sur, and it took that poor woman who was shot in a moving vehicle, it took her death to finally get this commission to get off its buttocks and do something about that corrupt little man and get rid of him. It shouldnt have taken so long. Now, the next issue that i want to bring up, and its still a chestnut. There are still officers that think that chuck limbert, a former officer whos no longer in this department, but they still hold him in esteem. They think thats the way you get promoted. Thats not how you get promoted, and i want to congratulate you on promoting una bailey. Shes a captain in the mission station. Shes the one that had the courage to call out former officer limbert on his latest shenanigans or crimes in 2013, that led to his dismissal. I appreciate her not being fired, as greg sur tried to do. My times running out. I want to wish you all a happy holidays. I want to welcome the new commissioner. I congratulate you sir. 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