Good evening, commissioners, and staff. Thank you for your time tonight. My names mike, and im the head brewer at fort point, and ive worked with justin for the past five years, and im responsible for the production there and the creation of this brewery technician program. I just wanted to speak a little bit to the manufacturing jobs that we would be creating at this location. A big focus of mine and something thats extremely important to me as we were developing the team at fort point was to create jobs that are meaningful to the people that have them, that provide value to them and skills that they can take with them, whether its with fort point or with another brewery or even with another industry. I think a unique things about the skills you learn at a brewery, they are transferrable to a number of other industries, and im proud of the success weve had with this program. Weve had a few employees go onto start businesses of their own. And i think this unique kind of trains, these unique kind of jobs that were able to offer would be of great benefit to the neighborhood, so i would ask that you give your approval of this project, and want to say that were extremely looking forward to working with the community and the mission and moving forward. Thank you. President hillis thank you. Next speaker, please. Good evening. My names katey. Im an artworking in San Francisco. I work at the San Francisco art institute, and we submitted a letter of support for this project. My organizations been a beneficiary of fort points generosity. Weve experienced firsthand their commitment to the cultural fabric of San Francisco over the past several years. Its been inspiring to see fort point grow over the past four years. In addition, ive lived in the mission for over a decade. I walk and ride my bike around the neighborhood. I support the addition of a grandfathering Community Oriented place, especially when its connected to a company thats demonstrated they want to really be a fabric of San Francisco. These are the kinds of businesses we should be supporting in friSan Franciscod the Mission District local leoned, locally operated. Thank you. President hillis thank you. Next speaker, please. Commissioners, so i just mainly got inspired to come up and speak because i just want to highlight on the for us long time residency, obvious disconnect. We hear the words community, integrated, contribute to the fabric of society, and honestly, its doesnt come across as genuine, and youve got to walk your talk what does that mean . What does that really look like . Theres an influx. Theres too much of these businesses . Whats going to happen . There theres just going to be businesses and no residents . This is too much. This is excess, and please, were asking you, please consider not approving this this project. What good is this really going to do for yes, jobs, but people what options are there . Its getting harder and harder to find jobs, so people have to go to Service Industries for much longer than they really want to because its a cycle, really. I mean, come on. We dont need more brewerys right next to high schools. Thats very just disrespectful, so please, just consider not being a part of this cycle of gentrification. President hillis thank you. Next speaker, please. Good afternoon good evening, commissioners. Im a resident. I dont live in the mission, but i urge you to vote against this project. I work for a startup, kind of the demographic that fort points looking for. I can tell you that theres not a problem with the amount of brewerys in the city, let alone the mission. I think we should respect the people that have been living there, our respect you know, its their area, and i just want to talk a little bit about growth. Like, i think when we use the words local, it just sounds good. Its almost like when we say organic, but blue bottle is local, and they just got bought out my nestle. Its just so superficial. Fort point is not bad people, but theres just so many brewerys already. We just dont need it, out of pure respect, and thats not what the community wants. Thank you. President hillis thank you. Is there additional Public Comment . [ inaudible ] president hillis sure, you can pass that on. [ inaudible ] president hillis correct. Thank you. Seeing no additional Public Comment, well close Public Comment. Commissioner fong . Commissioner fong thank you. Just a few clarifying questions and thoughts. This is it is manufacturing. This is a commercial building with existing commercial use. Its been there quite a while, a quite a well established one. I do feel that timbuk2 is creating assembly jobs. It sounds like fort point would be creating some Manufacturing Assembly jobs, as well, at different levels, you know sort of higher experience, skill level, but also Restaurant Service jobs. Curious to the staff. Its midnight theyre allowed to stay open to 2 00 a. M. , but theyre opting for 12 00 midnight on weekends . Correct. Commissioner fong and whats their thought on week nights. Theyre permitted to operate from 6 00 a. M. To 2 00 a. M. Every night of the week, so theyre proposing not to operate. Commissioner fong okay. A couple of questions for the project sponsor, if you could come up. There was concern about venting. Do you know if theres sufficient venting to the roof and not out yeah. The brewery operation will be vented through a similar to a type two kitchen hood which could have anode or eliminating unit attached to it if that is a concern. We actually have stradled two concerns with the community. One part of the so weve had to kind of balance that and do a selfimposed limit, but that will be vented similar to a kitchen hood. The kitchen will have a full regular type one hood, as well, so this is group penetration, which is our understanding are fine with the historic nature of the building. Commissioner fong and you can feel the concern of the neighbors, i dont think they want a mob there. This setup does point support that. Can you talk a little bit about the signage on the outside of the building. Its very subtle, almost sort of incould gnito. Is that on purpose . Our design at the brewery is pretty minimal. Were not planning on putting large signage on the building. We did say that were now planning on making the main entrance on the 20th street corridor. We didnhavent done any mock u with that, but it would be very tasteful. Commissioner fong you guys dont have bottles, youre cans only . Yeah, and primarily draft at this location. So no bottles . No bottles fopg fop. Commissioner fong im curious what other commissioners have. President hillis commissioner melgar. Commissioner melgar i missed all the other kumbahyah moment where everybody agreed, my Biggest Issue is youre opening this project in the Mission Beverage special use district, which is a big deal for somebody like me. So i worked with you, and one of the commenters talked about how the Public Health department has zeroed in on this particular track on alcohol and tobacco, and there is a big push to work with the existing businesses, because its a Cultural Climate issue. Its not like specific projects. The youth that were growing up in a neighborhood thats still high crime, and theres a lot of toxic stress are surrounded by alcohol, and theyre more likely to booabuse it if its around you. So you said during your presentation this place was going to be open to all ages all the time, so people under 21 can just walk in . Yeah, people under 21 will be able to walk in, and that is the intent. We wed said it before, were trying to setup a Community Gathering space, and we hope this will show a responsible alcohol consumption, versus more of a bar and an over alcohol, over drinking type of environment. This will be a full kitchen. We plan on serving a full meenoo. What we imagine is families coming in early during the day. They can have beer, they can have soda that were able to make onsite. Its a nuanced difference between a bar and a family space. That concerns me. You dont understand the community where youre trying to open up this bar, so you know, that works. You know, in that model, everybody comes in. With people who dont have the toxic stress that, you know, makes them more at risk for abusing alcohol, but you know, to me, i cant support this project because of that, and i didnt hear during your presentation any mitigations. I didnt hear that you would work with the community on that issue, with the youth at john oconor high school on the specific programs. I saw the list of the people that you donate to, and thats great, but to me, if there is a specific harm, there should be a specific mitigation, and i just dont see that. We have talked to sf made with offering internship programs to john oconnell. I mean alcohol specifically, not just jobs for kids. Thats what i mean with the specific harm, specific mitigation. Okay. Thank you. President hillis commissioner johnson. Commissioner johnson all right. Thank you. As the person who was standing on a soap box and also shaking my fist at both hearings, with regard to the location that was in the third street restricted alcohol special use district, i have to agree with commissioner melgar and make the same argument here. So the Mission Special alcohol special use district prohibits the expansion or establishment of new establishments that sell alcoholic beverages and prohibit the transfer of Liquor Licenses with the exception of restaurant use. And the reason for that is in our planning code, restaurant uses can have Liquor Licenses but are not are primarily eating establishments, and they are primary for serving food, and then, you may also have a Liquor License to have drinks. This is a brew pub, is primarily to sell the beer, and then, the food so that you may drink the more of the beer, and that is that is you know, i think maybe theres some gray area in our planning code, which i think you brought to us today, but in my thought, a microbrewery or brew pub is considered as an alcohol establishment for the Mission Special use district. So as much as i like a good brew pub, i like a good, sour beer. I have to if i was standing up here a month ago shaking my fist about a liquor store on third street and the bayview, i have to make the same argument here, unfortunately. I also have some challenges with the with the conversion from trade shop strad shtra is retail. It just means you have to make stuff there, and then, you also have to have some portion of your facility where youre selling it. So i guess im im not sure that i see a strong reason to convert trade shop, which is part of how we maintain pdr uses into restaurant. And in addition, i think if this were a regular restaurant, like a restaurant where you could sit down and order a drink, you could order wine, but the point was the culinary experience, i could definitely see that that fits squarely into why there is that restaurant exclusion from this district, but its a brew pub, but i cant see it, so i cannot be supportive of it today. Commissioner koppel. Yeah, theres a bar right down the street from where i live, and one thing that sets this apart is they do allow all ages and they arent open all hours, and i cant tell you how much it does to discourage your typical bar flies that are going to go to your liquor serving typical bars. I dont see this as being as horrible for this neighborhood as they seem to be. Also, i havent heard anyone reinforce that this isnt a formula retail brewery. I would not be in favor of this whatsoever if it was budweiser or any other type of retail brewe brewery that was started here in San Francisco, and the limited pricing and all ages being allowed are somewhat mitigating for me. President hillis i mean, ill chime in too. Im not troubled by this. First, were. Commissioner perez were permitting a restaurant. Sometimes theres gray area enforcing that, but thats the issue, we have that thats the rule. We have that issue everywhere, and we should be diligent about it. I think the fact that they are local somebody said it doesnt matter. I think it does matter. Both timbuk2 and fort point have been built in this community, and i think thats important, and we should encourage that. I think somebody stated because theyre successful, and its modestly so. Its not anchor steam. We should encourage that and encourage the jobs that come of that. My what rang kind of to me is some of the concerns that people raised and that we got on email kind of how this interacts with the neighborhood. Its in a relatively quieter commercial corridor, so for me, i think its a little large. You know, i dont know if theres room to kind of shrink some of the seating. It seems large fore the locatithe for the location that its in, and id like to see some buffer in the space to deter noise, but i think that working with timbuk2 to keep that job more pdr establishment works, and its a good use here. I like kind of the price point on the meenoo where we see too often mostly were seeing upscale restaurants being approved here. I support it. I think the entry is being reconfigured, because it is a large space. Commissioner richards . Vice president richards so its interesting. I learned from other commissioner comments and members of the public new things every time as i sit up here. I go meet with the project sponsor, i get a good story. I mentioned timbuk2. I had a timbuk2 bag when it was still cool, when nobody else had one. And i get the whole need to keep manufacturing in the mission. We talked about where this fits in your business plan, in terms of manufacturing. Is it you know, is it more exposure, is it try experimental beers out. And i read the case report, and i read the la cocina letter, and i guess the question i had would be, manufacturing to me would be putting something in a bottle and on a truck and send it somewhere, rather than put it in a glass and drink it. Youre doing 10 or 12 of the floor space to manufacturing the beer, and you said there were a high number of people that were against manufacturing and some that wanted more, but youre entitled to 33 of the floor space. Why not take more floor space and take some of that beer and put it in a bottle and have it be real manufacturing. Can you comment on that . Yes. I mean, we would be fine with increased i mean, id feel like it would solve what Commission President hillis was talking about. If youd like us to move more Square Footage if you look at the building, were not going to shrink the space, but if youd like us to move more from seating to production, thats something wed be happy to do. There is already kind of a lobby experience. You will enter the space in kind of a buffer zone, so youll enter the space and see timbuk2s manufacturing, and see our manufacturing, and then youll see this buffer zone concept already exists in the design. Vice president richards so what about i read the letter about la cocina. Theres a lot of space here. What about part of the space be a rotating pump up for somebody maybe that isnt a la cocina business model, in addition to what you have there, serve some other augmented kinds of foods . Were not opposed to that idea. Its hard to precommit to a Business Partner arrangement when it comes to actually running of the business, were totally fine of committing our kitchen to be used at Commissary Kitchen to la cocina or other interested parties. Thats something we can do richa. Vice president richards spike, can you come up. With the manufacturing up to 33 , would you be more comfortable with a true manufacturing portion as well as an onsite consumption thats a lot smaller, given the fact that it would take up much more space with the potential to partner with a la cocina type organization. So let me address those in two parts. The la cocina component, we were in negotiations with la cocina. We in fact invited them and it was our idea to bring la cocina graduates in and have a restaurant that actually served food to the community. And what would that look like . It would look like some mexican restaurant, some salvadoran restaurant, some thai restaurant, some graduate of la cocina restaurant. They rejected that. They offered a Commissary Kitchen that they already have, and theyre already at 60 capacity. Nor do they want a pop up, because pop ups there are graduates that do pop ups, and theyre looking for brick and mortar restaurants. Thats what theyre looking for is space, and since justins group is actually interested in brewing beer, we were thinking that this is a winwin, that the food component could be community serving, and locals would feel comfortable, and then, they would do their beer manufacturing and have a tasting spot that was much more scaled down, and it was a restaurant that happened to have their own inhouse beer. That was rejected, and so la cocina is not a partner with them. Usm could not come up with an agreement with them, and all they did is propose 1,000 people coming in ubers and lyfts and being dropped off in front of the place and saying, but there are buses and were sure that our customers will just take a bus. But the hot dog thing is really what is irking everybody. Its not a restaurant, its a beer pub that serves hot dog to get through that planning problem that they cant open a bar. So in answer to your second part of your question, i heard opposition from the neighbors that they depth want to smell it. If theres a way of not getting the brew smell into my neighbors houses, theres no problem. They were hoping that the that light industry, that would be blue collar jobs, and that the local industry cause fort point, so give them benefit, they do train. They do have a way of getting up and a guy who comes off the street could eventually be a manager, so all of the manufacturi manufacturing and producing of beer, putting it in a container and shipping it out, is something we would support, and we havent had a vote in the audience right now, but thats what our conversations were asking for. 33 is still the majority is going to be consuming alcohol, and so we dont want a bar there. We dont mind drinking Drinking Alcohol when youre eating