Choice of language about the problem. Not at all brink bri. Chairman brinkman i do appreciate how we solve for one place and other people are affected. Director borden . Director borden would think i would imagine because what theyve described, does the program not apply to people that are already in the pipeline . A couple of months we approved for a reduction in fees for people to be able to pay that was for the parking tickets, but im just wanting to understand if that program is applicable. That gentleman is 600 behind in parking fees. Im just wondering if the new regulation we enacted would be able to be applied. Yes. At your january 6th meeting, you did approve changes to the Community Service program for unpaid citations. That makes it very accessible. I think its a very low requirement to get into that program if you have a backlog of citations. I was hoping wed have james for the reco ford here. He was living in his bus and got about 1600 in citations and had his vehicle towed. I was on the phone with miss lu friday, talking about mr. Hernandez blight of being towed out of the yellow zone a couple of days before, and i think in that instance he was not able to present evidence of low income qualification because he was not in the food stamp program, he was not on some of these other programs that are the proxies to substantiate low income. There may be a misunderstanding. Its certainly something to examine, and ill stay on that case to find out if there was a gap, if there is a misunderstanding because it is the intent of the agency to make those fees less ownerous and have access to those programs. Now if you get to the point where you have 1500 in citations and you are towed, it isnt enough to get you out of the 2 ow yard and you have those 1500 in citations. The next day, you could get towed again. Youre going to have to pay that down below the threshold. One of the things as we work with the department of homelessness and supportive housing, its obvious we need to connect with people sooner. The mta is not equipped to do this, approach every vehicle that may have someone living in it and say, do you have a back seat full of citations because youre really going to get hit hard. Were working with outreach folks to find folks sooner so they dont have this sword of damocles hanging over your head, because once you have this backlog, its very hard to get you out of jeopardy. I just wanted to i do think we can figure out a way to work with some of the social Service Agencies to identify. I know a lot of people who are homeless do not actually access services, which project homelessness does do. I do tend to favor some sort of amnesty program, because as the gentleman said, people have drug issues and other things, and these things sort of pile up, and what sort of sets thicks ov things over the edge and puts them back on the streets. We see these people that are unhoused, and whether we want to acknowledge this is housing or not for people, it is. Im a big supporter of looking how we can do a safe transition park concept, and i personally would not vote for a citywide ban without Something Like that. At the same time, we have a crisis on our street separate and independent of oversize vehicle issues, and to not acknowledge it and think that we can just simply move it away is just not realistic, and we need to describe, also, the 72hour kind of complication that you could just move your vehicle around every three days which is essentially the reason that weve had a much larger homeless problem more visible in our city, previously people nobody went to or werent as busy, are now forced out of those places, are now just forced out. We see that in tent citys. So i dont think its not realistic to believe that an outright ban would solve the problem. I just think it moves it around constantly like we see with our tents. So i really think if we can get to a point where we can figure out this Pilot Program and a park and reexamine the ban policies in that regard, that makes sense, but also in creating an amnesty for people who are homelessness so they dont have to pay these tickets. Honestly, they have to take care of other things in their lives. They shouldnt have to worry about parking tickets overtaking their live. I was going to ask you to maybe explore options within the problem of, you know, certifying that somebody is homeless. It seems like there might be might be some of the public speakers mentioned they have a certificate. Certainly exploring a solution to that because its frustrating if there are potential solutions that oh, this administrative bureaucracy is an impediment to that solution, so i would definitely be in favor of pursuing that and seeing if we can work something out on that front. I just think director border covered what i was going to say. Chairman brinkman thank you, director rubke. Thank you, mr. Thornily for your commitment to this work. I admire your compassion and dedication to this. This is an incredibly sensitive issue, and it takes a special person to accommodate all of the competing interests that you have so gracefully done, and you applaud yo and i encourage your efforts. I dont think were going to find a silver bullet, so to speak. Its going to require a partnership of a number of different agencies as has been said. I think that what were experiencing here is just the realities of an increasingly competitive economy in a place that is constrained geographically, and every square inch of this city is being sought out. This isnt detroit, this isnt utah, this is one of the best cities in the world to live in, and weve got a humming economy that is driving so much competition in every corner of this city, and weve got to find a comprehensive solution that takes that into consideration. One of the things that i wish we could give more attention to, and maybe youll be more able to do this, but i you know, i do not just look at all of the private lots that are empty at night, i look at stonestown mall at night, and i see a sea of empty parking, and he see a sea of empty parking around churches and schools and Community Colleges, and everywhere there are lots, and people arent sleeping in those or parking their cars there, and i wonder why cant you know, why cant we do something to encourage partnerships to use those lots. And i think about the sfmtas parking lots, our own parking lot like the one we just talked about or the one in the mission. There is a number of lots that we own, and im wondering, how hard would it be to simply designate the top floors of those lots and just distribute the complexity of the problem in a way that we might be able to accommodate more sustainablely. I know that its going to come at a cost. We are not a social Services Division of this city. It would require an immense amount of resources that im confident we dont have the budget to be able to address just yet, but its not something that i dont think we should look at and look into a comprehensive solution and maybe ask the supervisors to fund a program to to utilize that resource that we might have. But i im hopeful because as we can improve our transit and get more people out of cars and with less of a need for parking lots in the future with the coming of Autonomous Vehicles and better infrastructure and better, safer streets to walk down, i think well come to a place where we have less of a demand of the parking than we have today. This idea of just like designating a spot in the city, i think i dont think that thats valid. I think that every square inch of this city has got designs on it, and we need to be thinking about whats already being used for parking and get more use out of it. Thank you. Chairman brinkman thank you. As ive stated before, one of the concerns that motivates me here is the enforcement of the law to the benefit of the residents and the people in the city, and we as the enforcers of the curb are the agency that is responsible for that. So ive found director torress comment at the beginning sort of informative and really helpful in shaping the discussion. At the beginning of your presentation, you used the word irrelevant to describe the law that prohibits sleeping in vehicles. I understood you to say that its somewhat irrelevant because its hard to enforce, not that were taking a position that the law is irrelevant. Is that correct . That is true, and thank you for elevating that, i did not mean disrespect to the law, but rather, let me just tell you by example, i think last year, the sfpd wrote six citations for that particular issue. And yet we know its an issue affecting people because we hear from residents all the time, and we certainly heard today from two neighborhoods, sunnyside and the bayview, one, sunnyside worker, and a bayview resident, purporting to represent thousands of residents there. My concern with approach to this issue, if we try to tackle the least very difficult problem of finding everybody in the city a home they can afford, we sort of paralyze ourselves as far as enforcing our curbs, and we actually have an issue now sort of disproportionate enforcement because the neighborhoods that came to us first with the supervisors that came to us first bgot the bans that they want and now this man from sunnyside said this is a problem, hes identified specific problems that his family and children are facing, and we say were not going to do more because were waiting until this whole overall solution is reached. That just strikes me as unfair to that neighborhood and it paralyzes action for the jurisdiction that we do have. All of that said, im very sensitive to all of the itch will i indications thitch implications that these rules have, but none the less, its the law, and were the agency with the ability to make this law not irrelevant, but enforceable. We could go down a path of targeted enforcement, we wait until someone from sunnyside say this is a new problem, but the vehicles sort of move around, and were not solving the problem. At the same time thats a very inconsiderate solution for folks who want to live in their vehicles. Youre just moving them around and not giving them any certainty or guidance as to how they should be shaping their lives. So to me, the notion of a citywide ban makes a lot of sense with some caveats. One of the things you mentioned as a detriment of a citywide ban would be that we would then hear from residents who have vehicles. Well, we give permits all the time. I suppose we could have a system whereby if a resident, maybe with neighbor consent, maybe with not, wanted to keep an oversize vehicle near his or her home, thats maybe something we could permit, and that permitting process would allow us to monitor it, make sure nothing, you know, illegal is going on with that vehicle, allow people to report things that are going on. So i just dont see enforcement as a barrier to a citywide ban. I think permitting could use it we could use permitting to allow residents to park vehicles if it was appropriate for them to do so. So then, that kind of creates, you know, the issue that we would have a citywide ban or excuse me, create sort of a starting point. You could then have, if there were areas where it made sense for r. V. s or over side vehicles to be parked, you could have applications for exception. Sort of looking at it the other way than what you described in targets enforcement. There are definitely political will on your staff and the teen tire city the entire city to use those blocks. And then, you can approach the idea of a safe parking spot. I would be okay with that if they were true safe parking spots. Have i to say, and i give director ramos for his bravery on this topic. Im scared, too. I just think this city is so dense, and a lot of people are living, youre going to have a lot of not in my back yard, other than accepted curb sites in industrial areas. Look. I realize this is a very sensitive issue. The folks who presented here today are moving, and i am so glad that theyre engaging in the process, and i can assure them that their voices are being heerd. But i do think we have an obligation as the agency of parking laws, to enforce them, and i dont think its fair for the resident of sunnyside to tell them, were going to wait until its a problem and then enforce it. My solution would be a citywide ban, with exceptions, and looking at what we can do to provide safe spots for oversize vehicles to park. Chairman brinkman thank you. Director torres. Yes. Id like to reiterate comments by my colleagues. The problem has be gone away, and its not going to go away until you have a multifaceted approach. People that are suffering in neighborhoods because of these parkings, ive spoken to supervisor fewer and supervisor tang and others. At t its a real problem. Its also a health problem. We saw what happened at skid row in los angeles in my old district, san diego with hepatitis b. This is an absolutely catastrophe in the making, so i think what weve talked about so far is a citywide ban on parking, with additional parking lot, whether its the cow palace parking lot, whether its a Community College parking lot. Most of those malls are going to be converted to housing at some point because nobodys going there. Even Treasure Island where people say all right, this is where you can park. What you do during the day is your business, but this is where you can park and sleep at night, and therell be some kind of enforcement and protection as well as rest rooms and showers like theyre doing already on my road to my office in oakland, as theyre doing under 880 there, where theyre now providing showers. Its almost theyre developing little condos in those bridges of the freeways. We spent over 275 million in this city on homeless issues, and we havent seen a success. My argument is that many people will never move to homeless shelters. They want to stay on the streets or stay in their vehicles, which i think they have a right to do. And perhaps what we one of our colleagues says that perhaps we should have an amnesty on these tickets. That may not be an unreasonable approach if we give them an alternative as you said before, as to where you can go. Well today, you can go here, here, here, here, and here. If not, youre going to get a ticket. But depriving them of their cars, thats not going to work. Ive talked to Eric Garcetti in los angeles. Ive talked to mayors in other parts of the country. They are not coming up with solutions yet, and i think this is one issue where we can have an impact, although a small one, but it may be able to work in neighborhoods like sunnyside where theyre dealing with many things. So thats my one cent. Chairman brinkman thank you very much, director torres. Mr. Thornly, i think what im hearing from my board and again, this was a discussion item. We dont have an action on this, so what i want to give you is feedback as this board has presented is there is appetite to look into a towing fee amnesty when people have their homes, their vehicles towed. I have no idea whats going to be involved. Its going to definitely mean a bit more work for you and the team. We like the work that youre doing with the department of homelessness and supportive housing. Absolutely want to commend you for the way that youve approached that and what youve done and encourage you to continue on that work. I am hearing that perhaps a citywide ban could be part of a solution, and it sounds like if we were able to identify then areas where people could park, you would buy some sort of permit, and in a neighborhood where somebody was occasionally parking their boat on the streets, occasionally parking their r. V. To load up in preparation for an up coming trip, thats something of interest to look at. I think one question that hasnt been answered, and im going to ask my board to correct me on that, it sounds like if we want to look at oversize vehicle restrictions in certain targeted areas such as around playgrounds, somewhere where it seems quite inappropriate, right now, for us to have oversized vehicles due to the nature of the use of the street or the number of vehicles, it sounds like thats something the board would entertain in the near future short of a larger solution to the vehicular housing problem, and im seeing a few nods on that. Okay. Yeah. Ill repeat what i said. I remain concerned that a small fix would be the enemy of the right fix in that situation. And well see there are a lot of implications, but we will see disproportionate enforcement. It will be incumbent upon the neighborhoods to come forward. I just im very concerned about that, and weve seen that play out already, that, you know, i suspect our friends at sunnyside had this problem for sometime, but were hearing about it from him now because its sort of become known that were sort of the agency and hes a very dedicated citizen. But other neighborhoods got here first, and theres a moratorium. Maybe i should have stuck with the first sentence. A small fix would be the enemy of the right one. Chairman brinkman so short of bringing us anymore oversize vehicle restriction areas, it sounds like the board is willing to entertain general curb Side Management without targeting specifically the oversize vehicles. So similar to what was achieved around the Design Center which included time limits instead of a ban on certain types of vehicles. All right. Again, thank you so much, and to everybody who came. And unless any of my directors has anything to add, i think we will hope that that was enough direction for you, mr. Thornly. I think so, and i thank the board for indulging this extended conversation. Well come back to this real soon. Chairman brinkman thank you for everybody coming to share your stories. We appreciate it, and we will all definitely feel empathy, feel, you know Something Different when we look out at the streets and we see people who are housed in their vehicles, so thank you all very much. All right. Well move on. Do you want to move back to item 11. Chairman brinkman yes, i think well move back to item 11. Presentation regarding the task force 2045 recommendations. Thank you, and thank you for bearing with me. We could go now there is a presentation. Chairman brinkman excellent. Lets go on the screen. Good afternoon, directors. My name is sarah jones. Im planning director here at sfmta, and im here today to talk about the results of a brood effort that took place between june and december last year to work towards developing recommendations around a local revenue measure to fund transportation, and that was the transportation 2045 task force. So led by a convening of city leadership, this agency participated along with our partner agencies, primarily, the San Francisco county Transportation Authority, and San Francisco public works. There was also very close involvement of the mayors budget office, and the process itself was managed by the controlle