Ourselves. We are not scientists. For us to review a bible like this or to review thats nice, ill accept the data. I dont know. Maybe youre suggestion is correct one. As we sit right now with the advice that you are projecting to us, im not dismissing your advice and counsel. I know the law because we experience on a weekly basis. We might as well save the public the filing fee for the appeals if its the appeal includes any identifications as health is an issue. We can just dismiss it because wash our hands and by saying, f. E. C. , were not in control. My personal conscious wont allow me to do that. Again, we can tell the chances are slim or none because San FranciscoHealth Department, this is not an attack, does not want to take up this issue and does not want to fight federal statute. You can understand the position. Sure. President swig we want to protect people. I hear what youre coming from. I will take issue with your statement that the Health Department doesnt want to take on the federal government. Weve done it but were happy to do. We made comments previously. President swig your advice we want to take it to another level which will not include today, maybe, we would ask the Health Department to review and update 2010 study which you referred. Sure. President swig very helpful. Any further questions . Thank you. You can be seated. Did you have questions commissioners for the Planning Department related to this permit . Maybe we should hear his comments. Welcome scott mccrory. Good evening president and commissioners. I was going to come up and say that no issues regarding the Planning Departments review of determination were raised in the appeal. Im available for any questions you may have otherwise. Thank you. We will move on to Public Comment. How many people here for Public Comment on this item . Someone can please approach the podium. Welcome, good evening. Good evening. Thank you very much. President swig, commissioners, attorney for the board. I really want to convey something that is very clear to me after hearing the conversations that ive heard. It is clear that you want to do the right thing. It is clear that you are listening and for that, i thank you from the bottom of my heart. Im going to also make a comment that even though we are told that we can do nothing about this because the f. E. C. Said we cant, i dont believe that. I will continue not to believe that. This technology, microwave technology, is extremely bad for the human body. It sets up inflammatory response to the cellular level. Opens up the calcium gate channels. Theres new research connecting it to the proliferation of alzheimers. There are many chronic degeneraive diseases that have established in scientifically sound studies to be connected cd with this microwave technology. Parkinsons, you name it. The people hat harm are the children. Thats why i reviewed ms. Hogans document, her letter, she mentioned child endangerment, i said thats brilliant because that is what we have to keep in our minds. We must protect our children. That is the reason we must dig in. You can stand up to these people. I believe youre going to find a way. This is an untested technology. London breed and the City Council Just as you said, i thank you for your comments commissioner honda, as you said, just band ecigarettes. Thats all . We can do this. Its an invasion of our privacy. It is a trespass. It has multiple safety hazards. Its a fire hazard. It affects the migration of birds and butterflies and whales and all kinds of animals. These we depend upon. I really thank you all for listening this evening. Thank you so much for your time that you spent here. Thank you. Next speaker please. Good evening and welcome. Thank you. As we can now see there are many documented Health Concerns from close proximity to 5g transmitters. Im opposed to the installation of 5g transmitters in residential neighborhoods. Thats all. Thank you. Happy birthday once again. Farewell spring and here comes summer. I have so many papers accumulated over so many years against the Telecommunication Company. I couldnt get through the front doors of city hall. I given all my research to katherine stephanie. Of late i think the World Health Organization theres a probable cause with this technology coming at us quickly. When my neighbors have a problem, i come out and support them. As im supporting ms. Hogan. There was a Telecommunication Company that tried to get into the building where i live and we had to fight them for two years. Sorry to use the word fight. I told them its not going to happen in this building because it would change the interestingty of the building. A. M. , f. M. , whatever your frequency, it all goes through the human body. What im really concerned about is whos making the equipment. Sorry to say this in the city, i support President Trump on this issue of the Chinese Communist party and the military behind 5g. Theres some counties and states that are not accepting this. Whats happening in hong kong and taiwan and communist party im concerned about. This is the ruthless gang that wants to control the world. One of the safeguards is to defend our independence, our internal freedoms and our liberties here in the united states. This is big concern about 5g. I really dont know where this is going, theres surveillance and its coming. Theres a new global surveillance thats watching the whole planet. I question whos watching from what reasons. I think that we have to preserve our liberties, our freedoms especially internally. The feel that the proliferation of the technology, their going ton consequences to pay. Long live freedom and thank you for my three minutes of democracy. Thank you. You have 18 more seconds of democracy if you like. I appreciate coming in front of all of you as commissioners. Im throwing up a flag. I was going to demonstrate in front of the chinese consulate with a yellow umbrella dressed in black with a chinese flag hanging upside down. China is not paying attention to its constitution and were not paying attention to the constitution of the united states. Thats what we have to defend. Thank you for the 18 seconds. Any other Public Comment on this item . Seeing none, well move on to rebuttal. Ms. Hogan, you have three minutes. I have a copy of the letter. I hope you read it. Im going to go on then. Now lets talk about what happens if the board of appeals grants the appeal. It seems from reading these two documents that the department of Public Health and verizon and their attorneys they are all together. Is that how you see it . If the appeal is granted, then verizon might sue the city of San Francisco. So, what then motivates the board of appeals of San Francisco to grant the appeal. Perhaps the board is motivated to grant the appeal by concern for liability issues for the city of San Francisco. San francisco is now liable for Health Damages for any electromagnetic radiation frequencies. Im talking about not the public exposure. Im talking about continuous and cumulative exposure. That is not part of what the f. E. C. Is talking about. Continuous cumulative exposure to e. M. F. Affects the heart and near logica neurological parf the body. You are aware, im sure, the insurance carriers insuring the Telecommunication Companies will not protect in their insurance policies for the Telecommunications Companies against any damages to citizens from electromagnetic radiation radiation frequency produced by microwave cell towers. The city seem to believe the federal telecommunication system. That they the city must observe the f. E. C. Outdated emissions standard. See the quote. Which then may hand all of the liability from hazards of our emissions over to city. Liability will abound. Will it be the city of San Francisco which will be liable . I think so. Will you the board of appeals be liable depending on your decision today . Will it be the apartment owner who is liable when he installs a microwave cell four on his apartment building. Who is liable when telecommunication pay a landlord to install cell tours on building that the landlord owns . Thank you very much. Im sorry for interrupting you. Sorry i have to quote the child endangerment law. Your time is up. Pleaplease be seated. Im going to read one paragraph. Please turn off the microphone. This is really inappropriate. You need to be seated now. You neat to be seated right now. Please be seated ms. Hogan. Now well hear from the permitholders attorney, mr mr. Albritton. This is a 4g facility not 5g facility. You should not be put in this position. Theres a reason theres a federal standard. It was established because youre not expected to have the expertise to wade through those thousands of pages. Federal standard that was based on review by the e. P. A. And food and Drug Administration looked at the science of this. One of the reasons was taken off the table. Its because of the expertise that has been applied and is required and the fact that we flood a need federal standard. I apologize these issues are brought before you. The fire station facility are allowed on fire stations. Ive gone through the issue. I can go through that again if you wish. The facilities have been in San Francisco for 35 years. There was some question about this being some kind of new technology that hasnt been evaluated over a long period of time. Verizon wireless indemnifies the city from liability. The department of Public Health, i have to concur, has the most rigorous process in the country. Actually started by luis renny back in the 1996. Theres an evaluation every three years. Theres a checklist that Third Party Engineers supposed to provide. I think really, your department of Public Health gone above and beyond any other jurisdiction that im aware of to the point buying their own meter. They have done this, they need to go to the neighborhood and evaluate it themselves. They can do that. I think that you are well represented in this issue. I encourage comment to the federal Government Regarding this standard. Do i have a question for the representative. In the material supplied by the permitholder, they referenced in this instance the facility calculated to be. 046 and slightly higher 2. 8 of the calculated level. I dont recall ever seeing very large numbers in these studies. As i recall, they tend to be low. Can you comment on that and what the highest percentage of the standard is . Sure. These cites on utility poles who are called small cells or nodes. These are kind of different breed of wireless station from the larger macro stationings. In these dense areas like San Francisco, a Small Cell Network is able to have better service. Small cells typically operate at many magnitudes lower power. This is one of the reasons carriers like to use them because its so easier to comply with the f. E. C. For reference a large macro site might run 20,000 plus for the city. Would you say the types of installations are low percentages . I cant speak to what the carriers will do. Im talking about what we have seen up to now . Yes in the past three or four years. They are proven to be pretty effective providing coverage. Thank you. Well hear from public works. Ill be here if you have any questions. Ill make sure i get the right Department Next time did you have any further questions for department of Public Health. This matter is submitted. Well, i told commissioners, it was suggested by Public Health at some point, we wanted to have an update from the Health Department responsible for this area. At some point, the public Health Department has to go on record theyve done recent Due Diligence to at least inform the public that theyre familiar with the issue and support an f. E. C. Position. Even though its recognized they dont have control over that. My first question is, does anybody have the inclination to do a continuance waiting for the Public Health officer to affirm to do an update from 2010 and then we can take this up. Were going to get this again or does anybody have the inclination to at least request that the department of Public Health review this copious amount of information from a professional standpoint and provide feedback so at least the appellant who took the time to assemble it and was diligent and bring to our attention will have satisfaction that she has been leader and her data has been professionally analyzed . Im asking that question related to a continuance. I would support getting information from the department so we as a board have a better understanding as what were hearing on a regular basis. In regards to the continuance for this item, i would not support that. I think that no matter what the department says, that Due Diligence was done. Theres nothing that is appealable that this board can personally hear. If you dont mind, everyone gets really upset. Its very personal when its in front of their house. I get it. I got one on my block as well. The guidelines that this body hears are very specific son what we can hear. Not just on personal wireless were talking on permits for your garage door as well as night clubs as well as tobacco. Theres guidelines that we have to follow ourselves. Its not that were afraid were not willing to challenge anyone. Theres rules when speed limit says 55, you dont get to go 60. Thats how that works. This board has challenged those rules several times. It has not worked out in all those cases. I would support the latter, hearing something from the department of Public Health. I would deny the appeal. Can we make a note executive director, can we agendize the opportunity to discuss making a formal request and appropriate Health Officer to update findings from 2010, not today obviously it has to be agendized with full presentation, Public Comment, etcetera. Any other comments . I would not support a continuance. Part of the information that might be forthcoming its not going to affect article 25 of the f. E. C. Last comment those who came out to speak, to continue to work with the policymakers. We do hear each case. We are not policymakers. We are assessing whether or not a permit issued by the city is properly issued. Whether or not we support those regulations, you can hear this commission has some serious concerns about what the federal government has laid down and what as a city and state and other communities follow. Continue to reach out to the elected official who are policymakers behind the policy at the national level. Ms. Hogan, im really sorry you were cut off. We have these rules in place. If we give you three more seconds, please sit down, you cant talk. Its over. We dont mean to stifle conversation obviously. You heard today that we are deeply concerned on this issue and we want to continue the dialogue on this issue. I apologize if youre feelings were hurt. These are the rules. You got 30 more seconds, mr. Albritton gets 30 more seconds. May i call for a motion . Ill make that motion to deny the appeal on the basis that the permit was properly issued. On that motion from commissioner honda to deny the appeal uphold the permit on that it was proper issued. [roll call] the appeal is denied 40. We are now moving on to item 6. Thiwilliam mcleod and Katherine Miller versus department of building inspection. [agenda item read] we had will hear from the appellants first. Thank you. Can you give us one second to start . I want to make sure. Thank you so much for hearing our appeal. Happy birthday. Im sorry were this is taking up your item. Time. Here is the block we live on. Our house is in the middle here. And mr. Lees house is on the right. This is the first subdivision in San Francisco. We made good effort to solve this problem with mr. Lee. He has been unwilling to compromise or find a solution. He says he needs a window for ventilation and as a fire exit. Both are which are illegal uses of Property Line window. This is the Property Line window. Our goal is to treat the permit like a new window. For several years thats what i was told would happen by the preservation folks at the Planning Department. Heres the permit. You see the permit. Unfortunately you dont see this on the screen. These are joe duffys notes about the permit. When i heard it was happening it was crazy. We filed a complaint with d. B. I. Mr. Lee was able to walk down the dbi to get a permit to change the window. Mr. Duffy made all kinds of note about this. He circled that its not a slider. Its an existing slider. Its not a slider. Its a window one of the problems is the minor problem is wings out into our property, 2 1 2 feet in our garden. The window is locked. The problem is when it gets open. Its our kitchen, dining room and bedroom. Even if its open, you can see were exposed. I can see in and they can obviously see out. With planning were hoping the Design Guidelines are taken into conversation consideration. What weve been asking for years, i thought this was a very compromise to put a fixed frosted window in. Thats the suspension re